Review Written by UnitedHealthcare CEO Shooting Suspect about Ted Kaczynski's "Industrial Society and it's future"

Public medicine would fix this problem like it has in the rest of the world yet still many Americans believe it's Marxism for some stupid reason.

…because a group of politicians who need campaign funding to stay elected tell them “government bad” at every opportunity.

There is one party to blame here. Republicans. They made up the death panels bullshit. They made it so Lieberman could filibuster for the big insurance companies and keep them rich. They made it a goal to “own the libs.”

Democrats deserve criticism for their Neo Liberal bullshit too, but this wouldn’t have been pushed this far without the Republican propaganda and lies.

I think at this point it's clear that there are problems to most people. The difficulty is more about agreeing on a) what the problems are and b) why they are problems, and c) how to fix them.

With the added difficulty that a decent portion of people have taken the "it's hard to prove anything definitively" stance and for some reason decided that means they should believe alternative sources rather than the more logical "be skeptical of everything but also be rational about it". If someone is able to get disinformation into official sources, they'll have an even easier time getting it into alternative sources.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

Remember who the big spokesperson for Occupy Wall Street was? Tim Pool remembers.

By donating to each others GoFundMes for hospital bills.

Friendly reminder that killing CEOs isn't the only answer. Sometimes it's throwing tea in a harbor. Or tarring and feathering a tax collector.

Just do your part.

Americans are NOT pathetic

Buddy, we just RE-ELECTED a convicted felon and rapist who instigated an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election AFTER we already fired him for massively failing, including in regards to the biggest crisis America has experienced since WW2. A guy that has openly stated he is anti-union and worker rights. We can't even get on the same page about healthcare, despite having examples from other first world countries across the globe showing what we could do to better our situation. We targeted black people (still are), then gay people (still are), and now we've moved on to targeting trans people. Wealth disparity is increasing by the year. Billionaires OWN our politics top to bottom.

We're categorically fucking pathetic.

You are on Earth and the truth is 5 billion light years from you wondering about your existence.

Quote is crazy hard but I disagree with you so much lol

the truth is 5 billion light years from you wondering about your existence

What?

That's not the right way to encourage people to arm themselves.

... or maybe they're not reveling every aspect of their lives on a public forum for personal safety reasons.

Armed protesting, by definition, is not peaceful.

I am not a gun owner.

I have never fired a gun in my life. I have terrible hand-eye coordination. I know from just playing video games with guns and carnival "shoot the target with BBs" things how bad my aim is.

Also, I'm a coward and I know I could never kill anyone.

I would be of no benefit of you in the glorious revolution with a gun in my hands. You would be more likely to be shot by me accidentally.

Both are necessary. The first creates public support. The second "creates government support"

The peaceful protest has a purpose. It is the purpose of due diligence. It is to show an escalation. A point at which other avenues were tried and ignored leaving one with no choice but to try others that are more militant. You try all the avenues. And leave the last resort as a last resort. But historically we know that more often than not real change happens when there is either the threat of violence or the actuality of violence.

People as a whole don't seem to be invested until it impacts them. It's hard to impact people enough with peaceful protest to change their minds. That's why blocking highways or major thoroughfares were threatened with violence. Because the point of protest is twofold. It is to educate. But more importantly it is to inconvenience people. Because without the inconvenience, they do not get invested.

Exactly. It is reaching that point where a lot of people are realizing that peace doesn't work anymore.

People don't understand that more than protecting people, social policies such as housing, welfare, and medical aid programs protect the capitalist system itself.

If the political pressure was high enough, political powers would buckle. But see who got voted for president? Its clear that the people chose this themselves sadly

You live in a country that couldn't elect Bernie as a president. There's no peaceful protest happening. And yet you claim violence is the only option.

In reality, half of your country simply disagrees with you. Start your violence, get a civil war, and maybe you'll finally settle things somewhere somehow.

But don't bullshit about effectiveness of peaceful protest.

Trump won a majority vote in the most recent election. Peacefully, your country chose corpos over moderate middle (there's no left in your politics). Their peaceful protest works flawlessly. You're just not on the winning side of the protest so you call for violence. You will lose this fight too.

Thank you!!!!!

That reminds me of another quote.

Yeah, I agree with their point but I really don't think this is the example to use

Dude, read the bhagavad gita. It's all about inner peace during violence. A soldier not wanting to fight his kin on a battlefield. When you recognize that sometimes the cost of peace is enslavement you can take extreme action without any attachment to the outcome and remain in peace in your heart. I used to abhorrent violence still do, but I will act without attaching and face rip any monkey that is hoarding and hurting my fellows. MFRA.... monkey face rip association... even Buddha has stories stating no karma is incurred for some situations of violence. You might be stuck in good vs evil dichtomous thinking. There is no good and evil in nature just nature. We make the definitions and than we suffer them. Cast off your definitions and cultured personality and see the real that exist in many many sahdes.

Keep bootlicking lol

I worked in higher ed computer support at a major research university for 12 years, believe me I know.

Yeah, I realized about 30 seconds after I wrote that... "he wanted to keep the gun and the ID as proof that he was the guy".

He escaped clean, and then let himself get caught so he could make his case in court.

Let's see if he plays the next hand: plead 'not guilty', refuse all plea agreements, and demand a jury trial.

I can walk 1/2 a mile in any direction and find a body of water or deep woods where it would never be found. Also, I'd field strip it and chunk the parts in different places.

He's a G, honestly.

Let's see if he contests extradition

Well fair enough....I'd still call him one thought

Different angle and no hood,.but yeah, somebody else.

He was caught with the same new jersey fake ID the suspect used and an anti-healthcare manifesto

Sigh. The hope was fun while it lasted. He's too anti-capitalist for the right and too problematic for the left so no side will claim him, and they'll just devolve into claiming it was the other side for a bit before not caring anymore. No revolution to be found here, just more sadness.

my bad. keep on mixing the two up.

Do expect him to conform to your ideas of approved right think?

But also some cool anticapitalist takes

(His last Goodreads review)

I don't see how #1 and #2 are problematic. #2 might be, but I'd need to see the video.

Unless your argument is that anything remotely positive about Tucker Carlson or Peter Thiel is automatically bad?

That just shows how lemmy would be willing to eat alive anyone being able to critically think instead of repeating their pre-recorded mantras on what's good and what's bad.

You're ridiculous, and probably 18.

I want to believe that peaceful organization like civil disobedience leads to change, but I can't recall seeing that work in recent history...

Fighting fascism with violence is like fighting fire with gasoline.

Remind me again how Hitler’s Germany remained Fascist and in control of all of continental Europe over the last 75 years…

Honestly, same

Read that and cheered (most of it) on.

The liberal that is holding back the left like the regime lapring acolytes?

Tbh it's been a while since I read much past the first few sections.

That said, he was MKULTRA'd real hard. I wouldn't be too surprised if some Terrence McKenna-type weirdness snuck in there.

I'm wondering if you're confusing Ted K with Terence McKenna? Very dissimilar people but could be a function of reading both around the same time in your life, maybe.

If not and you remember what you're thinking about, and it's indeed a manifesto by a criminal ranting about elves, I'd love a name/title if you feel like sharing.

No.

I may not agree with everything he says. But it’s quite logical and well argued.

Nothing about elves. More about how technology and capitalism and neo-liberal leftism have ruined the human condition, and the need for revolution.

Is your favorite part where he blames liberals, commies, and academics for everything wrong with Reaganism or the part where he decides it's the fault of women and diversity?

All of our cognitive and social abilities break down when you get into large groups. We’re evolved to be able to work with extended family units where we have a reasonable ability to build personal relationships and trust networks among all of the people we interact with.

Our usual mechanisms for punishing betrayal through reputation damage and ostracism fall apart in an anonymous society. In more recent history we relied on societal institutions (democratic and judicial as well as private societies) and the media (newspapers, magazines, TV news) to cover some of this role but it was imperfect and only applied to the most infamous offenders.

Cool and agreed, but the original point holds up that greed and self-preservation always ruin things for groups of people trying to do anything together. Everything you mentioned is a symptom of corporate interests subverting democracies. Look, there’s nothing inherently wrong with corporations having an interest in their success, but govts. need to be able to curtail their worst tendencies because it makes sense to prioritize long-term benefits over short-term gains.

If people really give a fuck about monied interests and their control over democracies, then they should be pushing for higher taxes on the wealthy (like 250K or more per year) like it’s an existential crises. Because it is. Tbf, 250K is pretty normal in a HCOL, so higher taxes should take that into account.

If we think of intelligence as goal-directed and adaptive behavior, then natural selection will select for competitive traits, and so whatever ended up losing was less intelligent in some sense, even if it’s a single-cell organism.

Sorry you had to write all that just to get downvoted. But what I meant to convey was that by some cosmic accident a cognitively advanced animal appeared, one that can seek to understand fundamental truths about the universe and its reality.

I just hold that cosmic accident in high regard, and think we have a duty as stewards of things we can understand using skills, talents and properties innate to us as a species. This is part of the reason that I think every human life wasted and not supported to its full potential is a failure of society.

How well is "western" Europe doing at curbing the global corporations ability to turn the earth into wasteland?

We have laws and we have democracy to establish them. Whatever happens in your dumbfukistant, in western Europe it’s unimaginable to be able to use violence and physical power to claim territory or food.

Haha, read any historical account of western civilization. The west has always been great about backstabbing its non-west allies, or even each other.

People are people, don’t fall for some us vs. them bullshit, you’re just being a tool for someone else. It’s also pretty funny to me that half the countries some Americans look down on have had more women presidents or prime ministers, lol.

And you can’t seriously say democracy is working as intended when we don’t have campaign finance reforms, and have citizens united in the U.S.? You’re literally living in a world where a billionaire bought a country’s presidential election outcome! What a joke.

Sociopathic behaviour is not prevented, it is rewarded. Stepping on other people to claim more wealth is encouraged. A decent person has no money, in general, and most people are decent. Nobody chose this. Nobody voted for this, and there's no vote which will put an end to it. We are, like it or not, in a situation where we cannot change the system to benefit us (us=the working/middle classes) by peaceful means. The ruling classes are extending their monopoly with every move, and will never willingly give power back. I'm terrified by the prospect, but looking at similar situations in history, I think violence is inevitable.

Why would they want that?

The rich like making fun of us, and destroying any sense of purpose any retaliation against them has.

What about you his makes you think he's a nut job

Surely none of us think he's a nut job, but the press could make him out to be one for the sake of defaming any sense of message or purpose he believed he had.

"Another criminal was taken into justice today.

His motive? ....lunacy, obviously."

I don't think he's a nut job, but some folks will just see that he cited the Unibomber. There have been less nutty historical figures who held that belief about violence.

Whether or not it can be resolved with violence, it will not be resolved with targeted assassinations by a handful of people.

There is no example where a capitalist system was toppled with targeted assassinations. There are lots of examples where the security state got a whole hell of a lot more oppressive after them though.

I'm sure that totally won't happen this time in the U.S. for sure.

Does it help? Because I'm guessing what will happen here is CEOs will just get big security details and less-discerning copycats will end up killing innocent people.

And rates will continue to rise and not one less person will be denied.