Trucks are getting so stupid. The brands are smart though, they really know how to to make the most of men insecurities.
I can only recommend Our Changing Climates take on this: “Are Men Killing the Planet?”
The title is inflammatory, yes, but it’s a great video that drives home the point of masculine insecurity and a “dominance of nature” spurs a lot of the “masculine” stereotype behind trucks and SUVs.
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This could be true years ago, but nowadays the number of women buying and preferring this stupid things grows more and more.
One is a truck made for actual work and the other is an abomination pretending to be a truck.
The second is basically a minivan, but the 3rd row is a truck bed.
My truck is kinda similar, but they just took a smaller suv and added a bed.
willing to bet the driver of the tiny truck has a bigger... ahem
Body shaming is not okay.
In this case it’s not about body shaming but about shaming a means of compensation. Also it’s not really a literal take. “Big dick energy” has nothing do with actual dick size. And being a “Karen” has nothing to with a persons actual name or gender.
Wow hot take
But the body on right is so much bigger, and takes up so much wasted space!
The smaller body on the left is more fuel efficient too.
Plus, body shaming when you're ugly and useless like that is okay.
So body shaming is OK when it's someone you don't like?
Show me where any person’s body was shamed
But only one can crush a toddler without you even feeling it.
Buy the new Ford Infanticide 5000. You're American. You deserve it.
This person might be a little confused as those beds are definitely not the same length. They might be consuming the mid-size truck 4.5ft bed as the length of that Silverado. I’m being generous to that smaller truck if it has a 4.5ft bed, but the Silverado has a 5.5ft bed standard and also has a wider bed. Specifically greater than 4ft between wheel wells making transporting of standard sized plywood and drywall super easy. Carrying 6 people too is also something that smaller truck isn’t doing, nor is a high towing capacity like 15k pounds. Does the average America need that? Most likely not, but to claim they’re the same is disingenuous.
You can tell the about size by the tire. Considering a standard 5.5ft American truck bed could easily accommodate 4 tires laying down flat and still have plenty of left over space both width and length while this truck seems to struggle with one. Again, 4 tires could fit in the small one standing up, but this comparison is apples to oranges. Both fruits, but different categories.
Kei trucks can put the sides of the bed down, leaving a completely flat cargo surface. Depending on the model, the bed is 4-6ft long and 3.5-4.5ft wide with the sides up.
Part of the point is that a kei truck can do a good chunk of small utility trips without being gigantic or bad on gas.
I can put my tools in the back of my truck cabin. And have the entire bed ready for materials.
I’d also never want to go over 40 mph or get on a suburban freeway in a Kei truck. You will die instantly in an accident otherwise. Their are zero safety features. And they’re not comfortable for any trip with any distance.
Kei truck is for people who work for the metropolitan city and never leave, or a university, or a golf course. Not a private contractor.
Full size trucks aren't bad on gas anymore. The F-150 comes with a 2.7 litre turbocharged V6 base now, or you can upgrade to the 3.5L twin turbo V6 or 3.5L hybrid V6. Check your local dealers page, you won't find many 1/2 ton trucks with V8s anymore. They also have aluminum bodies and a 4-door weighs about the same as a regular cab shortbed truck did 20 years ago. Is the truck in the pic significantly more useful than the Kei truck? Not really unless you need to tow with it, or need the cabin space or seating.
Edit: revised guess Judging by the design of the driver door, I'm guessing this is a 92/94's Honda Acty, which has a bed length of 6.3ft
According to wikipedia, that length is normal: "They generally have 1.8 m (6 ft) pickup beds with fold-down sides; dump and scissor-lift beds are also available, as are van bodies. The length limitation forces all of these models into a cab-forward design."
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck (First paragraph under the "Uses" section)
Kei trucks have a 6.5'x4.5' bed. I own one, and they are awesome.
Not every Kei truck has the same specs. Kei truck refers to a number of different brands of truck and most offer different length beds. This is NOT a 6.5 foot long bed. The Chevy has a 5.5 foot bed. Put a ruler up to both and you'll see the Kei truck bed is shorter.
Edit: down voted for stating facts about Kei trucks. This is definitely a place for reasonable discussion.
I always see this comparison. These are very different types of vehicles. I’m happy there are other people out there who realize this.
I feel like that Kei truck is more comparable to a 1000cc side by side. I don’t mean that as a bad thing. But I think their main uses are much more similar.
When my little 4-cylinder truck wore out in 2021, I looked so hard for one of the little kei trucks. But all of the ones I could find were $20k, or they were $15k and needed a lot of work to be driveable. And none of them were within 200 miles of my location.
I ended up with a used base-model F150 which only cost me $12k. It had 81k miles on it. As near as I can figure out, it started life as a rental truck for a hardware store called "Menards". It has an 8ft bed, no carpet, no power locks, no power windows, no back seat, no touchscreen, and no color LCD screen in the gauge cluster. I use this truck for a small farm that my wife and I run, so it doesn't get driven every day.
Im still looking for a kei truck, though.
Try carused.jp - they'll find you a truck matching your requirements, arrange shipping and even customs.
I recommend Suzuki Carry da52t 4x4 - you should be able to get a low mileage one for 5-6k all in.
I think you mean carused.jp.
That's a pretty great deal on an F150. Nice!
It was half the price of the next cheapest truck on the lot, and the next cheapest truck had twice the miles. But the next cheapest truck had all the whiz-bang fancy electronics, instead of being four wheels and a truck bed.
Towing capacity, payload weight, carrying 3 more people, bed width, drivetrain? I think many trucks are way too big, and it's silly to own a big work truck if you just use it to go to the grocery store but it's really about so much more than bed size.
Yeah it's about
BIG TRUCK MAKE ME FEEL LIKE MAN. MAKE ME FEEL LIKE BIG BOY. LOOK ME DRIVE BIG VEHICLE SO YOU KNOW I'M IMPORTANT.
LOOK AT ME!!!
carrying 3 more people
As a payload.
I'm not sure if you can fill it to load capacity even with lead bricks.
Or if you want to carry people, you can use this:
. For carrying not people you can remove seats. It's even roughly same size.In addition to the payload. Payload goes in the back! Fill it with stones then put five men in it to shovel the stones. You'd need two vans for the same purpose. And if it's roughly the same size, what's the problem? Vans like that can be nice too, we see lots of Ford transits here in the states for tradesmen. Similar use case to what you're describing.
But a van and a truck are used for different things. Your not going to see a van around the farm for example because it just isn't that useful for farm work. Just like your not going to see a truck out delivering packages because it just isn't the useful for that use case. Many of these vehicles have the exact same frame and engion just with a different body on top for whatever best fits the use case.
This was my take. Considering the bed is wider and deeper, that black truck can literally hold 4x what the other truck carries.
Also from a quick google, I only see a single mini-truck retailer within 500 miles of me and they only sell very-used, with worse exhausts and MPGs than an F150.
Most people don't need that bigger truck, but if they do that smaller truck won't cut it.
Yes but one is for work while the other is a compensation device
the larger one does do more:
- Pick up 3 extra people
- Can roll down the back window to let long planks of wood through
These are the only extra advantages I can see, and they are seldom use cases at best.
Fine, if you're a contractor driving your workers to/from work whilst carrying all the equipment, on a daily basis, such a truck is very useful.
But how many people who drive these do that?
The 3 extra people is a valid reason to not want the smaller truck. Still wouldn't need to be so monstrous.
But since the kei truck cannot travel over 55 mph, that makes it more dangerous!
Yeah, but which one will make women think my penis is huge?
Front one, dude
You're right! It's true! Little cars make penises look bigger based on relative sizes!
No no no but which one will make his BUDDIES insecure. That's the kicker.
Given the stereotype, I guess the tiny truck?
Ever wonder why this thing can only go 55 MPH? Yup, my Magnum dong! Nothing slows down a truck like moving around that hunk of meat, let me tell you! Now about our date.
Here are a couple of videos explaining why we can’t have small trucks.
Car manufacturers can make more money per vehicle on large trucks. So I'm curious what influence their lobiests had on this.
He kind of touches base on that in the second video. But it definitely plays a part.
No clue why people buy kei cars from Japan when they can pick up the left hand drive version of the kei cars from Taiwan.
I really like my 2003 Ford ranger. It's small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I'm picking up dirt for my garden. But also it's definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I'd want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
I’ve been thinking a good business idea would be to make “restomod” Rangers. With luxury interiors and new engines with more fuel efficient setups. People do want them, but the chicken tax and CAFE makes it so Americans have no choice in trucks.
2002 Tundra here. It is definitely the perfect size for a truck. However, now that it’s pretty old and beat up, and I’ve moved into a denser city, I think it’s getting time for something new :(
I really like my two-and-a-half-tonnes death machine. It's small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I need to dispose bodies that I just ran over. But also it's definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I'd want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
My ranger is 3200 pounds.
Edit: Just checked cuz I was curious, and that is only 300 lb more than the Tesla model 3. Your comment felt rude and unnecessarily aggressive. I hope you're having a good night.
Small????
Man, I tried finding one of those cool websites where you can put like two cars together to compare their size. But it doesn't have the year of my ranger. But yeah, they're smaller than the new trucks by a lot. And they weigh about half as much. If you can get one of the older Toyota's or like a cool little Datsun, they're a little bit smaller, but really kind of in the mid 2000s was when trucks really started blowing up in size and absurdity.
I see one truck and one blue minivan with a covered cargo area.
Minvans already have a covered cargo area. Also they can seat eight people in comfort
For real, these things are basically minivans for suburban dads. The primary thing this thing will be hauling is kids to soccer practice. At Christmas time, though, he'll go get the tree from Home Depot himself, instead of needing to have it delivered.
If I want to get a small truck or something similar what can you recommend that's available in North America? (Serious)
Basically have to import something due to the silly laws around new trucks. Kei trucks (the cool one in the picture) now cost a lot but are great.
Ones readily available include but are not limited to: Ford Maverick (getting great reviews), Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger.
Tbh I wouldn't mess with much of anything else because they tend to be of questionable quality and/or look stupid.
The Ford Maverick is the smallest, if that's what you're thinking. A bit larger, but with better towing and off-road ability, you're looking at Ford Ranger, Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon, Toyota Tacoma, and Nissan Frontier.
Nah mate. I have a Colorado that I've actually used a lot and it's still not good enough
Ford Maverick or Hyundai Santa
FeCruz are basically the only 2 optionsI think you mean Santa Cruz? The sante fe is/was an suv
*Santa Cruz
I'd skip the Santa Cruz largely since Hyundai/Kia are experts at cost-cutting that blows up big in customer faces down the line. (anti-theft, engines, warranty work, wiring, etc.) but your options are already limited so I wouldn't blame you for getting it. I'd get the base engine/transmission though if you anticipate stop/go traffic or off-road use since the dual-clutch in the upper engine option is better than dry clutch models but IMHO still suspect.
I would lean towards the Maverick but neither are really "small" since they're still pretty long.
There's the Transit Connect if you want a cargo van that's compact.
New? Hyundai santa cruz is probably your best bet.
If you are okay with older/used vehicles i would look for a japan import garage/dealership
(Im in canada but have seen many of these types of places across the country that import those small trucks)
Note how the kei truck is still taking up a parking space, and that the "need" to provide such spaces makes the entire street wider than it otherwise could be.
I say that not to excuse the "full size" monstrosity in any way whatsoever, but to remind us all that this is "fuck cars," not just "fuck big trucks." ALL cars ruin cities, not only the big ones!
I would argue that the guy with the small truck is there to do a job for someone, and you'd be utterly fucked if you had a burst pipe and he wasn't allowed to drive in the city. They are the one exception to the rule
The guy with the big truck most likely just uses it to make up for his micropenis, right enough
you’d be utterly fucked if you had a burst pipe and he wasn’t allowed to drive in the city.
Who said anything about not being allowed to drive? He can drive wherever he likes; I'm just saying we shouldn't fuck up the street building the parking spaces. Where he parks the thing should be his own problem (or his client's landlord's problem, as the case may be), not imposed on the public.
It may seem like I'm nitpicking, but that distinction is really important. There is an oddly pervasive issue in urbanism debates where the car-brains and the NIMBYs make a habit of trying to frame the issues precisely ass-backwards. For example, you suggest abolishing restrictions on zoning -- literally removing government regulations -- and they call you a "big government communist." Or you talk about adding extra ways to get around by improving bike and ped infrastructure, and they accuse you of trying to take away their freedom to drive.
Or, as in this case, you talk about simply not bending over backwards to make special extra accommodations for cars (i.e. not spending public resources -- both money and space -- to build parking spaces), and it gets misconstrued as proposing banning driving. I'm not saying you're a car-brain or a NIMBY, but I'm just saying it's apparently real easy for people to slip into that Bizarro-World mindset and it needs to be called out when it happens.
Of course. Fuck cars
It's wider though right
Kinda, Not really.
The Suzuki Carry has a bed width of 1585mm (62.4") the Silverado has a max bed width of 64.8" (1646mm) so 60mm/2.5" wider. But the Silverado's bed isn't rectangular, ie if you want to lay something flat, the widest it can be is 50" (1270mm). That's a foot narrower than the Suzuki.
The Silverado has higher walls which imo isn't really a plus or minus. (More bulk materials, and less need to tie things down, but harder to access the things).
There are a lot of other differences in available configurations. I think the reason a lot of people prefer Silverados boil down to esthetics, and the perceptions of others. I think that for a lot of men, pickup trucks are an expression of their masculinity. They want something big and powerful that they can take into the woods and be manlytm with.
A Carry is very practical and if I owned a landscaping business I think that's what I'd want my crews to be driving.
But also, I'm not a business owner. I'm a man and I get it. Honestly I'd way rather own that enormous impractical pickup. I'm more likely to be hauling hockey gear than lumber and drywall. I'm tall and girthy, I appreciate a spacious cab. I have child seats in my car.
Maybe men should stop pretending they don't care a lot about fun.
Edit to add: but I do agree we need society to be less car/truck centric.
The Suzuki Carry, like many kei trucks has foldable bed sidewalls, like those home Depot trucks. So Americans would never go for it as it's not sexy.
At $14,000 for a used 94 variant, not sure if it's worth it.
It's not about what you have, it's what you do with it. I have carried things in my small sedan that you would never believe. You are just underestimating japanese tech and Mexican capacity for not giving an f.
Tbh I was going to say that at least some of the new fangled pick ups have easy to remove wheels, most of that stuff is easy to check, replace tires etc, but besides that from what I've been told they're as much a pain to drive as they are to giveaway to
And taller. And it can haul far more weight. And simultaneously carry a team of workers.
And they look to have the same/comparable ride height/total height
Yeah, but what if you needed to haul a team of volunteers to do disaster relief with a 9,000 pound trailer filled with water and food and then use the empty bed to haul debris away while rescuing survivors from the flood waters?
Checkmate anti-truckers!
Pretty sure military or even construction grade equipment would be far better suited for that.
Woah woah woah leave my kei trucks out of this theyve done nothing wrong
Probably same engine capacity too.
Not even close.
I'm 99% certain that's a 2nd Gen Honda Acty. Which means it has at best a .7 liter engine making 45hp.
The wannabe monster truck at minimum would have a 4.3 V6 making almost 300hp. But the particular spec in the picture typically has the 5.3 V8 at around 355 HP.
Kei trucks are cool. But they're like a big golf cart with a flatbed.
I have a Daihatsu Hijet on my property. Pretty much use it like a quad. Spray paint camo job, 4x4, dump bed, w/ rear locker. Pretty awesome at pulling shit, getting thru muddy spots, etc.
I’ll say this - that little Hijet is a much, much more capable little rig than my 2014 Taco, let alone the stupid bro-dozer in the picture. I’ll probably bring it with me elk hunting next year so I can load up the bed with elk quarters and crawl out of the bush
Fair!
Still, I'm under the impression that some of this "trucks" can have surprisingly small engines given their size.
I own one of these small trucks, a Mitsubishi Minicab. It has a 660cc engine. Nowhere close to the same engine capacity.
Is that a joke?
No this is the social media website called lemmy. If it’s not about games, Linux, or coding you’re gonna get lots of disinformation.
Not the same bed width or volume though. Not the same comfort level in the cab or crew capacity. Definitely not the same towing capacity. It's silly to buy the bigger truck just to drive around town, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to get one.
I'm glad you said this. This truck comparison I've seen going around is getting tiresome. If someone's only measure of a work vehicle is bed length, I suggest they widen their scope.
don't let those facts get in the way of a good circlejerk
Not the same bed width or volume though.
Are you going to tell me that insane difference in vehicle and engine size and weight is needed to gain that extra inch and a half of bed width? I think we can agree it is absolutelty not and I am pretty sure you can find a model of the sane truck with a larger/longer bed as well. Actually here it is, and it hauls way more than the "truck", crazy bro they even made a version thats closed and higher so you can bring like 3x more stuff and it doesnt rain on your precious power tools or literally whatever you are carrying around.
Not the same comfort level in the cab or crew capacity.
Sorry what? Comfort level? You mean like ass-heating seats or cup holders? Werent we talking about a work vehicle? And even if not, what comfort feature is it not possible to implement in the smaller one? A toilet in the backseats? The crew capacity argument kinda "holds" in the very very specific and nieche scenario where you need to carry a very big team... but also not that many tools and materials? And I think we can agree 99,99% of the trips done in those don't fall within this scenario.
Definitely not the same towing capacity.
14000 libs towing capacity, my brother in christ, do you need to tow a tank? Because if not, the only thing that number is towing is its marketing
It's silly to buy the bigger truck just to drive around town, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to get one.
And that's kind of what this entire community is advocating for; I don't think no one cares if a person that actually needs a worktruck buys the silly type of truck for actual work (even though this posts wants to say that for A LOT of those cases there might be a financially and efficiency-wise better alternative). What's stupid is that roads in some countries around the world are filled with them and I assure you 99% of them are used for the 1% they are advertised for.
Wall of text, forgot to say that they also have shitty visibility, while the second type one is great
Id actually like a slightly bigger than kei consumer cabover truck If they could make it meet all the safety requirements
That actually exists. Google "Toyota TownAce truck" or "Toyota LiteAce truck". There are used 90s models to brand new 2023 models.
Is it true that the truck bed on those yank tanks are basically unusable due to height or shape or something, and are purely cosmetic?
Even a short bed is incredibly useful in my experience, however I rarely ever see this type of vehicle used for anything remotely utilitarian.
No? I use mine all the time hauling dirt for gardening, etc.
Asians have larger package ratio
Make the small one appealing to Americans who buy a truck for aesthetics.
Make the small one legal to build in American markets.
Who buys a truck for aesthetics and not for usefulness? The tiny one might be ugly but the bigger problem is storage in the interior of the car. You don't even have a back seat in the small one. And also I doubt that the small one can haul large amounts of weight, like a trailer, where the big one can. Just because it is dangerous doesn't mean it doesn't have a purpose. Now, instead of having a car for getting around, an SUV for more people, something powerful for a trailer or heavy stuff, you have one for everything that costs the same price as one of those vehicles.
Plenty of fuck boys buy trucks they never use for any amount of work. Pavement prices/princesses is the slur afaik
It sucks more than anything you mentioned
The more Im looking into it you are so much more right than me. Its about utility, not aesthetics.
I would much rather hit something in the black truck than the white truck.
Whatever suits you bro but that's a genuine thought right there, was going to say it depends if you can slide or lean the seat back in the white truck, if you can, would beat the black truck. Usually has a tool compartment anyway so does fit as far as I'm concerned.
Carrying 5 people in comfort while towing a trailer as well?
Most people with pickups barely ever fill up a full bed let alone an additional trailer and 4 more people.
"Barely ever"? Isn't that enough?
My car can drive 4 people and their luggage. I need that every time my family goes anywhere.
But usually it's just me and my laptop bag, maybe a couple of grocery bags.
So I'm that guy. Big car, rarely filled to capacity. What do you suggest I do? Buy two cars to reduce waste?
(Although mine is not an American pickup, it's a European station car. If that changes anything.)
My point is that these vehicles are not equivalent, but feel free to haul your family around in that midget truck.
Dunno, do either of these things have towbars? Toyota Hiace might but I genuinely don't know
Have you ever towed anything? Towing a trailer of that size and weight with a car like that, even if legal, is sketchy as fuck. Especially on hills or mountains. Where I am from its legal to take that picture, it’s not legal to get on the road. For good reason. A capable truck is much safer for that purpose, for everyone.
Doing that in the states would be illegal. Our payload and towing capacity are calculated differently which vastly drops the ammount you are legally allowed to carry. For example a jeep wrangler in Europe has a towing capacity of 5000Lb (2300Kg) but the same exact jeep in the states can only tow 3500Lb (1600kg)
If you're hitching a trailer anyway then why bother with the truck bed at all? Just get a minivan with a decent engine.
Minivans can haul about 3500lbs, which might work for some situations.
