Dearborn residents show remorse after Trump win: 'He's playing us'

reminder:

this election was lost on multiple fronts.

do not let articles like this, however truthful, and the inevitable spiteful comments underneath convince you that the next four years were caused by Arab-Americans.

fine, fine, yes, it is multifactorial. Unity in opposing trump's ghouls is the most important, not infighting over losing.
- thanks, and not trying to be combative here :) i just know how discourse molds and progresses and it’s just a few short steps from the comments and name calling i’m seeing here to “pro-Palestine caused trump”
  
  when in reality biden/harris actively ignored the petitioning of multiple vital demographics including latino, young, and low-income voters—all of which played out very poorly. it speaks volumes that i haven’t seen a single post about these demographics yet and multiple about Arab-Americans.
  
  just be careful yall! your neighbors need you

I lived in Detroit for a brief period and my observation was that the Arab population in Dearborn was comprised mainly of people born into multi-generational wealth. I know that's anecdotal but if my observations were accurate then we're talking about wealthy people who are disconnected from real life struggles who are voting for Trump. Not about immigrants who have seen and experienced hardships.

20-20 hindsight is better than nothing I guess, unless you get it when you're looking up at the rapidly receding cliff.

Americans have taken WAY too long to figure out Trump is a con man playing them. Very special insight.

Nope. Uh uh. No sympathy from me. My give a damn is broken.

You had SO many red flags

"All she had to do was stop the war in Lebanon and Gaza and she would receive everyone's votes here," Dearborn's Democratic mayor, Abdullah Hammoud, told the Associated Press.

Spot the mayor who has no idea what the job of Vice President actually is...

Depending on what they mean by "stop the war" in gaza, if they mean the current hostilities (which, yeah it's what she probably meant) or end the conflict in its entirety, that could be the biggest God damn ask I've ever heard.
- Particularly since the US is not one of the parties at war.
- All it would take is threatening an arms embargo. Presidents have stopped Israel via a single phone call before, and they need our billions of dollars worth of bombs to continue. Don't act like we're powerless small beans here.
  
  Worst case, they keep going but not on our dime and not with our support.

You know the Sara Mclaughlin commercials with all the sad, sick, and starving puppies? Do you think there's a similar market for engorged, morbidly obese leopards?

MLK was right about liberals. You lot are the biggest threat to justice.

Hmmm, let's inspect this sample.

Bland name calling, unimaginative reasoning, blind anger and content absolutely and WILDLY straying from the subject of the article.

You sure, may be a tankie
- I’d rather be compared to a tankie, than a liberal. Of the two, the former is further away from a nazi.
Good luck getting justice with Matt Gaetz as attourney general and an imperial presidency intent on reversing everything the civil rights movement ever achieved.
- Of course in the liberal worldview the only political action is voting and so now that voting is over you go after people who didn't vote or voted wrong and wait four more years until you can (hopefully) vote again.
  
  Instead of retreating with your tail between your legs and waiting for another chance to vote join up with those that are taking direct action through protest and political pressure and fucking riots and strikes.
  
  If more of you joined the anti-genocide voices instead of chanting "vote blue no matter who" your party wouldn't be the milquetoast status-quo-upholding pro-genocide garbage party it is today.
  
  You can punch left or you can stand with the left and build up the power to punch back.
- Yes, we know both sides are evil. That’s the point MLK was making.

I'm guessing leopardsatemyface is gonna be the new hermancainaward hotbed of schadenfreude over the next 4 years

Steve Bannon Award?
I guess you could also call it "they did nazi that coming".
- "They didzi that coming. We all did."

Eh. Fuck off. I really don't care anymore.

You chose this. You knew exactly what was at stake, you knew who Trump was beyond any shadow of a doubt, you knew he was going to fully enable Isreal to wipe your family off the face of the earth. You knew.

I fought all the bad faith arguments flying around here and beyond. All the "never genocide" bullshit. Every day, for the better part of a year.

But you played stupid fucking games. And now we all have to find out.

It sucks because people will suffer. Likely people I care about too. But this bleeding heart "liberal" has been bled dry. I can't muster any more fucks.

"it's not my lesson to learn" has been my consoling mantra.
Liberals love to talk about how much their hearts bleed. But it was also liberals talking about how disruptive and criminal people protesting in black bloc were being last time Trump was in power. It was also liberals who were saying students protesting peacefully on campuses needed to be beaten and thrown in prison.

You lot don’t give a shit about anyone but yourselves. You use minorities as tokens and ways to sell merch. The downside to that is that when the republicans are doing pogroms these next four years, they’re gonna be going after the people who aren’t armed. And while leftists will always have the backs of our queer and trans brothers and sisters, democrats can figure out defense and mutual support on your own. Because we remember who was really there for us last time, and it wasn’t you. It will never be you.
It's curious that these people never targeted the Republican position on Gazza, even though it was clear from the polls that Trump had a good chance of winning.
- Isn't it though?
I'm with you bud. I honestly tried. Lesser of two evils, help everyone, people deserve safety nets. Well the people I was fighting to help overwhelmingly voted against all of those. I honestly feel for anyone who voted for the same things I did and lost, but anyone who didn't vote or voted to remove those protections I'm done feeling bad for.

Sorry grandma, you voted in the man who openly wanted to get rid of Medicare. Don't care anymore. You needed Obamacare but voted for the people who openly said they'd repeal it? Too bad, get some bootstraps.

Again, those who voted to protect those things I feel for and I still want to help, but I'm done trying to help those who openly push against me.
- Grandma's coming to live with you.
Yep. No more sympathy
Are you imaging a world where Kamala wasn't full throatedly supporting the genocide as well? Kamala "Most lethal military", "Israel has a right to defend itself", "No arms embargo", "I'm basically Joe Biden but I want Republicans in my cabinet" Harris?
- Yeah, you can fuck right off too. The news is already full of evidence that Trump is explicitly enabling Isreal to do wayyyy worse. Just like we all told you.
  
  I'm done arguing in good faith with you asshats. Mods can remove my posts, ban me, whatever. Giving you clowns free reign to canvas lemmy with bad faith arguments just because they are borderline civilly worded is what helped disenfranchise the small slice of the internet lemmy represents.
  
  Fuck you and fuck off. I'm done.
- And you suppose Trump will touch his heart and at the very least consider slamming on the breaks? Get real.

“They voted for Trump to punish the Democrats.”

Oh, that didn’t work. Losing elections isn’t the same as being punished. Not saying it was a bad move, I’m saying it was the wrong one. It was also a bad move though.

“All Harris had to do was stop the war.”

Oh is that it? Just as a VP / figurehead, swoop on over and say, “Stop it.” Man, why hasn’t anyone ever tried that before?

Dearborn, I hope your lives work out ok. You’ve really fucked up.

Trump was actually in power for 4 years and didn't do shit to help the Middle East. You're going to hold him accountable for that, right? There's no double standard where Democrats have to be absolutely perfect, while Republicans can be smearing shit all over the walls and get a total pass, right?
"We would have voted for Harris if she would just have brought peace to the Middle East!"

...
- And cured cancer. That's all that we need.
  
  ...and solved world hunger.
  
  We don't need anything except peace in the middle east, a cure for cancer, and solutions to world hunger. And that's it!
Not just as a VP, but it's not even our fucking war. She's going to go stop the war being waged by a sovereign nation? MK then!
That tactic was tried in 2016 and failed. The political party isn't the one getting punished when you vote that way nor does it encourage them to change their ways.

Changing the direction of a political party is a long, drawn out affair that requires sustained political action over the course of years.

I have a feeling a lot of people who voted for Trump are going to be hurt by his policies and they're going to be completely shocked as though this wasn't known already. How could they possibly have known the person who bragged about hurting them when elected would actually hurt them when elected? /s
- They won’t be shocked. They’ll blame it on liberals and democrats and anyone else who had nothing to do with it… because nothing is ever their fault, it’s always a conspiracy by someone else.
- It doesn't work because both political parties are servants to the same masters. Nothing will ever significantly change as long as that's true. At least not without protracted hardship.
I hope it doesnt work out for them. I kind of hope a bunch of them die in a fire because that's about what it's going to take for people to start understanding how serious all of this is.
- Not really, so many died from COVID and look at us. They'd say the fire was Chinese.
- My dream schadenfreude scenario is that a hurricane wipes out the Villages in Florida, and it’s bad because Trump privatized NOAA, so no one knew to evacuate, then when they’re picking up the pieces they get hit with a wet bulb event.
- I don’t see much of a difference between them wanting punishment instead of harm mitigation and myself wanting punishment instead of harm mitigation. I will keep hoping for less overall harm.
Dearborn, I hope your lives work out ok. You’ve really fucked up.

Dearborn, MI did not decide this election.
- They didn’t. But I didn’t say they did. I said this was a fuck-up.
- I don't care, they still voted for him.

A world renowned, pathological liar "played you"? The guy famous for a decades long history of incredible contradictions, tall tales and epic falsehoods. That guy. The Mythomaniac to end all mythomanics. The compulsive liar that lies more easily than he breaths? He played you? Really? I'm shocked!

I am still shocked about one thing: How could they fall for it???
- Most didn’t, they fell for the third party choice.

Lots of great voter outreach in the comments here! Keep telling them they deserve to see the genocide of their people! If you alienate them enough, they'll definitely vote for you next time!

Edit: I wanted to thank everyone for all the great ideas for Muslim outreach in future elections! I can tell by the downvotes that not all of you liked what I had to say, but if I learned one thing from the Harris campaign, it's that you can't care what a community thinks of you, no matter how many votes it costs you!

I'm not sure anyone here works for the DNC. We're not trying to get ourselves elected. People are absolutely allowed to criticize others for the intended consequences of their actions when they get exactly what's expected. In this case, they've alienated themselves.
- "It's my way of sticking it to The Man."
  
  "Sir, you are The Man."
  
  "That's right."
  
  "So... aren't you sticking it to yourself?"
  
  "... Maybe."
- Yes, that's good! Let's pretend it's not our problem that they didn't vote for the Democrats, even though we clearly cared about the outcome of the election! And if we blame them for the alienation they feel, we never have to examine what the party could have done differently! It's brilliant!
Yes that's right! Be nice to the idiots who vote against their own interests because hurting their feefees is why this happened in the first place!
- Woah, infantilizing the population of a majority Muslim town for having their, "feefees," hurt, even though they're the ones most likely to personally know someone who is a victim of the violence in Gaza? That's the boldest outreach strategy yet!
Put on your oxygen mask before trying to help others, that is the moral here.
- Yeah, boil it down to trite moral lesson! That's perfect!
The reality is both parties hate everybody but the corporate managerial class and want to kill everyone for infinite growth. The idea that voting is somehow an endorsement is idiocy.

You pick the party least enthusiastic about killing you or you're a moron. Bernie sanders is an anomoly. The democrats never once treated trump as an existential thing - they see the next election as an opportunity to finally capture the right as voters which is their only plan.

If the realization that democrats want us all dead upsets you, you don't understand how this oligarchy works. They still fear being out of power because it means disfavor of the oligarchs, but they would never attempt winning an election by disregarding the oligarchs.

So the choice isn't which one you endorse (as only a crazy person would endorse this system) its which one is gonna fuck you up the least.
- Ooh, I like this one! Using cynicism to mask a, "lesser of two evils," argument, while still ignoring how emotionally devastating it would be to vote for someone who is materially supporting the slaughter of your people? This one could be the 2028 platform!
Is anyone still campaigning now that the election is over?
- Hey, it's never too early to start alienating voters for 2028!

Headline is misleading. It was a quote from a single individual.

Only now, at the end, do you understand?

I don’t feel sorry for these people. We’ve been through the Trump administration once already. They completely knew what they were voting for.
They still don't understand, they just don't like that it's going to affect them.
To be fair, Rashida Tlaib basically told them not to vote for Harris. Probably should reconsider voting for her next election.

“Cut off your nose to spite your face.”

It's like the trolley problem but the person pulls the lever to kill as many people as possible to "send a message" to whoever is tying up people on trolley tracks.
Moṙ luık ku̇tıŋ ȯf Yṙ feıſ t ſpuıt Yṙ noz hıṙ.

spoiler

More like cutting off your face to spite your nose here.
- Why funny letters

Love how one person's quote is supposed to represent Dearborn. It was literally a fuck you to dems. Everyone in Dearborn knows trump is also going to do it. Rebuking the dems for doing it was the least they could do. They gave dems every opportunity to stop it.

If all of you libs that wish ill upon them because your team didn't win had a moment of self reflection you would realize that the dems weren't saving anyone even if they won. When fascism shows up, blue or red, you fight it.

Notice how the dems aren't doing every maneuver they can to clip Trump's upcoming power. Hell a bunch voted to allow charities and other ngos to be able to be declared terrorist. Thankfully some of the lesser known dems fought it off. The party leaders are part of the ruling class.

Get off your assess and start doing some direct community support or action, no one is coming to save us, we protect us.

This doesn't even belong in this community. I think it being posted here makes people who don't read past the headline think they voted for Trump

Edit: I guess some of them did, but I don't recall Trump ever being dishonest about his support for Israel, so I don't see how he "played" them

Yes, no shit. We tried to tell you. Unfortunately you were too heartless to listen until it impacted you personally.

Cool, we all get to suffer for it

Minorities have been suffering for years under both democrats and republicans. If democrats can’t manage to survive four years, then that’s your problem.
- I'm sorry, do you think that non minorities are going to suffer in a way that is even close to the additional harm this is going to cause to minorities? Are you dumb?

Idiots.

It hurt itself in its confusion!

Stupid, fat, hobbitses!

I don't think leopards will be endangered much longer

Going to be looking closer to pigs/boars with how big their bellies about to get

You can tell em til you're blue in the face but only after they see it themselves does the light come on.

LOL! They voted for Jill Stein!

People be voting like they're in a ranked choice or proportional representation system & not in a 2 party FPTP system?! Those that previously voted Dems can't just be voting for a 3rd party and not realise that they're effectively handing the win to Trump!? Maaaybe do a 'protest' or 'teach a lesson' at some time when there's NOT a wannabe dictator leading the other party?! Just a thought…

Some part of me thinks they knew. Instead of dragging out the nightmare with Harris they just wanted it to end quickly with the inevitable same result. I mean I hope not but they had to know right?

They knew Harris wasn't going to do shit either way. There is literally no way things can get worse than they are now. Not that Israel can't do worse, what I mean is that Biden and Harris after him weren't going to stop Israel from anything. And as proof: Harris already lost and Biden still isn't doing anything.
- Current administration dead Palestine kids for the next decade. Other guy all dead next few years. Is that worse? I can't make it any simpler for you to follow.