here's the thing though: they'll abolish the ACA, and when people start complaining, they'll just blame everything on mexicans.
and trump voters will 10000000% believe it
blame everything on mexicans
I'm sorry, it's all my fault and I take full responsibility. I'll make tamales with atole for the victims of my reckless Mexican behavior. 😔
“Illegals smuggle our patriotic, expensive insulin out of the US, and we gotta build a wall facing the other direction to keep them in this time! We’ll use tariffs to get Mexico to pay for it!”
by jan we will be so consumed by the flavour of the month culture war (trans muslim librarians are coming for your pizza gate!) that they wont even notice its happening.
by the time they need it they'll forget who even took it away.
by the time they vote they'll just think trump saved them from leftist death panels or some shit.
edit: oh shit, the q-anon nuts are going to sprout again arn't they... le sigh
trans muslim librarians are coming for your pizza
So what type of pizza do they like? Gotta get ready for January!
Definitely not vegan pizza.
I’m sure its that woke New York pie they’ll be coming for. True Americans support Chicago deep dish with all that extra saturated fat and sodium
oh shit, the q-anon nuts are going to sprout again arn't they... le sigh
I'm over giving a fuck about them at this point. It's tired, old hat, doesn't really even bother me anymore. I know they're saying shit to enrage people but when you see enough of it, it eventually just stops registering. I'm sure they'll still find takers for their stupid games but i also suspect others are also moving on from giving a fuck too. How long can you really play games like that before you finally see them for what they are? Bunch of miserable twats trying to drag everyone else down to their level. I take comfort knowing i live a happier life than them, that all they have is hate. It's actually kind of sad, really
The idea of voting for a candidate with whom you disagree on things upon which you depend for your livelihood or survival is just wild to me.
They don't think about any of the social programs that they depend on. It's about hurting the right people. A platform built on hate. Then they wonder why the leopards ate their face.
People vote based on what they think the person is like. Harris is boring and the same old. Trump tells it like it is, that's exciting!
Nevermind that boring is what you want for government, you want everything to just work. But no, gotta be emotional about it.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute interview with an average voter.
What do you do for the remaining 4-1/2 minutes?
Go to your happy place
This is what you voted for 💅
"I didn't think it would hurt me." - Trump voters for the next four years.
As a school bus driver, I work with a bunch of older people who are already utterly dependent on social security and medicare to have any semblance of a life that doesn't involve living in a tent in the park and dumpster diving for dinner. They are mostly trumpers. We're all Teamsters as well, and a few are married lesbians (and these are the most rabidly pro-trump of all). I have made a few attempts to convince them that trump (and Republicans for fucking decades) are out to destroy social security, medicare, unions and gay rights (among lots of other things) - but they reacted to me like I had grown an extra head. Somehow they've convinced themselves that the GOP is the original source and the protector of these things.
They are mostly trumpers.
Spend all your time on a bus listening to AM Talk Radio year after year after year and see what happens to your brain.
Somehow they’ve convinced themselves that the GOP is the original source and the protector of these things.
Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth.
and a few are married lesbians (and these are the most rabidly pro-trump of all).
They do know that just because it's a Republican porn of choice, Republicans don't actually hate lesbians, right?
Just like the first 4 years.
"I didn't think leopards would eat MY face"
-Leopard Eating Faces Party voter-
Assuming they live that long.
The leopards are going to become very fat this next few years
Faces! Delicious faces!
Oh god dammit.
It just occurred to me that unless there's some state thing Im unaware of, when I divorce, once the damn ACA gets pulled she won't have insurance and I'm on the hook for medical shit for 5~ years.
God fucking dammit. Just another reason these goddamn Nazi bastards needed to be taken care of before the election.
Hah! Look at you, thinking you'll be able to divorce in a few years from now. Haven't seen project 2025?
Well I kept saying that and the responses were- without fail- "you first, tough guy!", "go back to twitter, ammosexual!", "if we dont respect free speech for Nazis then they wont respect ours when they gain power!", and "you're the REAL Nazi!!"
So I hope trumptards get every single fucking thing they voted for.
Well last time they tried to get rid of it, but John McCain sank that effort as if failed 49-51. Just before he died of cancer.
Now all the John McCains have been purged from the GOP and they will have a bigger senate majority, and likely a significant house majority too. So if there is an effort to repeal the ACA, it'll very likely pass.
Non stop fillibusters for 4 years?
Is that our only hope?
All it takes to eliminate the filibuster is a bare majority. Democrats did it selectively to carve out exceptions for the few promises they actually wanted to fulfill.
That has gotta be hugely unpopular right?
People would absolutely flip out if we go back to "preexisting conditions".It will be hugely unpopular. It's not clear whether that will translate to Trump or Republicans becoming unpopular though.
Just start laughing about loud and point at them with your arm fully extended. We should start shaming people in a more direct primal way again. Shame is probably the most powerful feeling (maybe second to "ahh oh my god I'm dying??!!!!!!!??" however you want to call that)
I agree. Tolerance of such extreme idiocy is unhealthy for society.
I could not agree more. This is the same bunch that tries to make being liberal a dirty word. They use liberal as epithet, along with things like environmentalist, community organizer, social justice (SJW), or veg*n ("soy boy"). Also: being educated, or in fact, aspiring to anything more than just being a huckster, a sportsball star, or, more recently, an "influencer".
About time to start shaming THEM.
Shame is a paralyzing emotion. It does not bring change. Guilt does.
The assumption to make here is that Trump is willing to try to do everything he's said. This is a guy who literally tried to ban Muslims after all.
Personally, I think that the tumult of his administration is going to get in the way of its own agenda, as evidenced by his first presidency. Half of the people on his staff will be gone before the first year is out, and Trump is going to spend more time golfing than he will actually governing. His biggest focus will be on monetizing the presidency, and he surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants.
These and other factors make it difficult to say what he will actually achieve.
As for the ACA, it was a conservative court that stopped him the first time, so the SCOTUS is no slam dunk. I don't think anyone can definitively state what will happen with regards to health care in this country.
JD Vance was made his running mate cause JD Vance is down with project 2025 and will be doing the actual running of things.
So it doesnt matter what Trump is off doing. JD Vance will be back at the office, doing the nasty work that trump will rubber stamp.
You can speculate on that, but history would demonstrate that you're probably wrong. Hell, Trump tried to get his own VP assassinated last time.
I'm sure they think they can control Trump, but as we saw from 2016 to 2020, they can't. That's especially true at Trump's age and with his cognitive decline.
JD Vance is down with project 2025
He was one of the authors, even.
Normally I would agree with you but I think Donald has lost touch with reality and we are letting a dementia patient run the country. I don't think we could be in more dangerous territory. I mean, he isn't even playing golf anymore.
I do think that’s the point. He can be the guy in the chair, and let his sycophants pursue their personal agendas
They will get what they deserve
Nah, somehow it'll be Biden's fault... google backfire effect, the more you challenge their beliefs the more they fight for them, even when proven wrong. They do not learn. They will not ever learn. They do not want to learn.
No they won't. That's a big reason why they never change.
What's ACA?
The Affordable Care Act, the US public marketplace for private insurance. Ignorantly referred to by conservatives as socialism.
Years back, before Republicans realized it's good (as they eventually do with all social programs), I had an aunt say "I'm on that Obama care and it's awful!" So we asked which plan she's on and she just kept saying "I already told you, it's Obamacare."
I think the average Republican voter does not understand that it is private insurance
Affordable care act, also referred to as Obamacare. The name Obamacare was coined by republicans the actual name of the legislation was the affordable care act
What was said here is correct, but I wanted to add that almost all the things everyone hates about ACA was also mostly brought on by Republicans that wouldn't vote for it unless sections of it were modified. Democrats took what they could get and figured it could be revisited later to fix that at some point. Instead, the opposite happened, and it was handicapped even more by Republicans and here we are, where most people just believe democrats forced this awful plan upon us that is making everyone pay huge amounts of money.
Yeah, Obama was so fucking desperate to get bipartisan support that he and the congressional Democrats let the GOP sabotage it instead of fighting for the single-payer system that had been promised. And now here we are. I honestly believe that if he had both jailed the bakers in the aftermath of the housing crash and gone full single payer not only would we be in a much better place as a nation, but Trump would never have been elected.
Not one Republican ended up voting for it anyways. Most of the compromises were for blue dog Democrats.
Obamacare. Also known as Romneycare.
These people have concepts of a plan for a Trump presidency
Not sure what kinda project they have planned for 2025 🤔
Folks who voted for concepts of a healthcare plan have nothing to fear, I’m sure.
I have a feeling this channel is going to get a lot of content in the next four years...
it's been 9 fucking years and we can't take Trump at his fucking word?
Yes it will be repealed.
An Alex Jones inspired health plan will replace it.
The Trump government will propose the carnivore diet as healthy. Vaccines will be banned. Only Alex Jones Nutraceuticals will be prescribed by doctors. Cardio will be state mandated as an official LGTBQ activity, along with voguing, cardio voguing. Beards will be mandatory, whether you can grow one or not. The only clothing that will be allowed for men will be jeans, stupid meme shirts, motard gear, and line 9 apparel.
The life expectancy for American males will tank to around 50, women and vaccines will be blamed.
Gays and Jews will also be blamed
I’m sure it’s those Haitians, they seem to be in control of everything these days
If I have any Trump supporting acquaintances ever show a sliver of remorse to me, I'm going to bury them in ridicule. I know it's not effective and is counter productive, but I can say this knowing 1. It's never going to happen and 2. Idgaf and I'm taking my shots when I get them, because fuck these people all to Hell. I've already cut out a brother, I will happily burn these connections.
Tell them Trump didn't win, Putin did.
Since Trump is just a Russian asset that is selling US state secrets to Putin.
I have been, and they don't care. Nothing has changed over the past 8 years, he's just been a bit louder more recently. There's been pretty solid evidence to anyone that has the most basic sense of reasoning, that he has been a Russian puppet since the beginning. They don't care. It's not something that we can use as an attack, because it's either "fake" it they don't care.
Someone needs to keep a record. Every action the Trump admin takes and chapter, page and paragraph of where that appears in Project 2025. Just to demonstrate the degree to which he's doing exactly what was planned in that plan he tried to distance himself from and doesn't support but also considered the "plan for our movement".
Really emphasize the degree to which the leopards outright told everyone they were going to be eating faces. Up front, across hundred of pages in detail.
And.... We get the return of "preexisting conditions"
That would be crazy if this gets reintroduced.
People should start using the term "cancel" for this, instead of "repeal". Conservative cancel culture is a very old tradition.
If Trump repeals the ACA it's BIDENS Fault! I'm a Republican who does their Own Research!
If Trump repeals the ACA it's Harris' fault! I'm a Democrat who was too good to vote!
They didn't do anything about it the last time he was in office and just talked about a replacement plan that never materialized. What makes it seem more likely they'll actually remove it this time?
Serious question. I didn't really mean to make it sounds as snarky as it looks on a reread.
If John McCain hadn't basically gotten out of his death bed to vote no on repeal, it would have been gone.
This is the real answer. It can down to McCain's very dramatic Nay vote because they didn't have a replacement plan.. You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLz2uQEtGo
Fuck Kyrsten Sinema and her fucking curtsy.
I know it was during the $15 minimum wage vote and not the ACA vote, but this thread reminded me of it.
With Trump in the White House, Republican control of the Senate and likely the House, and a stacked Supreme Court, there's nothing to stop him from tearing down whatever he wants. There doesn't have to be a replacement plan. Insurance companies will applaud the end of ACA mandates, which will let them sell policies without minimum government requirements for coverage and they can go back to denying coverage for "pre-existing"conditions. It's going to screw over a lot of people.
That's not entirely true. Everyone forgets there was an individual mandate penalty that his administration & congress repealed.
Anyone remember how the ACA assessed a tax on those who were not insured? (with income based exceptions). The tax was meant to feed into the ACA and keep plans in the marketplace cheaper, and to stop the program from adding to the federal deficit.
Once the trump administration came in they worked with Congress to eliminate that tax penalty.
Here is a helpful article that talks about the penalty and what the early findings showed when it was removed.
he didnt have the fanatic support then that he has now
I think it's a good question. My take, and I dunno if it's right, is that they fucked up with Roe vs. Wade, and they know it --- they were the dog that caught the car, so to speak. But once you catch the car, what do you do with it? It's no longer something you can use to activate your base. They pivoted the messaging from "abortion bad" to "states rights," but I think that's less of a hot button issue.
So I'm really hoping it's the same with the ACA --- they want to talk about how Dems are socialists and socialism is bad, but they don't necessarily want to "catch the car" here. I do think that any changes will be explicitly about "Obamacare" and any replacement (even if it's exactly the same) will be pushed as "Trumpcare."
I'm probably way off though, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they indeed repeal the ACA. And as much as I feel like a horrible person saying it, I have pretty much zero sympathy for those about to get their face eaten by the leopards --- I voted D, and I'm not reliant on the ACA, so basically sorry, but go fuck yourself (not you personally, just the regretful Trump voters --- I am deeply sympathetic to others affected by this).
The ACA is not just about the marketplace. It also gives protections for preexisting conditions and sets minimal requirements for what must be covered in a health plan. So if the ACA gets repealed, everyone is affected.
He wanted to get re-elected last time.
It's just fear mongering at this point
And they call others being sheep
when they call somebody something, its always a projection. always.
The leopards are eating well. I'm actually worried about leopard obesity. So many faces to eat.
When they spoke of mental health care instead of gun reform they meant they would take care of those with mental health concerns by simply eliminating the concerns.
Ie. Camps and culling.
Yay can't wait to lose my insurance
Didn't they have control of the House and Senate last time and still couldn't get it repealed before? Do they have the votes to get rid of it this time?
Assuming they get rid of it, assuming Trump actually steps down in 4 years, and assuming we ever have another election (big ifs, I know), could this actually help Democrats for the next few election cycles?
This was the one reason I wasn't cheering for the filibuster to be repealed. The 60 vote threshold was the only thing that saved it last time. They will only be able to realistically get rid of it if they abolish the filibuster. Which would be a net win for Democrats, so they likely won't do it.
Didn’t they have control of the House and Senate last time and still couldn’t get it repealed before?
Repealing the bill would mean revoking tens to hundreds of millions from various states. A lot of the healthcare and health insurance industry (which is dominated by right-wing financial interests) sees ACA as a valuable income stream. Its hard to uproot for the same reason Social Security and Medicaire/caid are hard to uproot. There's simply too much money running through the system and too many private interests invested in the flow.
But they still get to PWN DUH LIBZ, though, right?
Tell them it's all good, the GOP is only aiming to repeal Obamacare.
Better append /s
LAMF != selfawarewolves
It's not LAMF unless the consequence they're bemoaning is precisely the thing they intended to impose on others, not expecting it to be imposed on themself, too.
It's very obvious said Trump voter wasn't seeking the ACA to be taken away from only certain others (they clearly recognize that it doesn't work that way), so no LAMF.
No. Completely fits, including as per the definition outlined in the sidebar. Leopard: "I eat faces!" Trumpanzee: *votes for the Leopard* Trumpanzee after the election wondering: "He's not REALLY actually going to eat our faces, right?"
I genuenly don't know how ACA works. Most people get insurance through their employer, is that affected by ACA? Not sure of the exact search terms to find the answer for it.
The ACA is a massive bill that affects basically every part of healthcare in the US. That being said, here are some of the major parts that affect people who get their coverage through their employer:
- Minimum coverage standards - The ACA sets minimums about what must be covered by employer insurance, including drugs, procedures, family planning and mental health care.
- No lifetime caps - Before the ACA insurers could set a lifetime cap on how much they would pay out for any individual. This meant that people who had long term chronic or very expensive medical needs would get kicked off their insurance eventually and have to figure something else out. Or, more likely, either go into massive medical debt or forego care, or both.
- Pre-existing coverage - Before the ACA insurers could choose not cover issues that you got before you signed up with that insurer. So, again, if you had a chronic condition and changed jobs, you could lose all coverage for those treatments.
There is probably a lot more, but those are the big ones for most people.
Oh fuck so my depression could be considered a pre existing condition then. Im currently on my parents insurance plan since I'm still a dependent, but when I eventually have to get my own insurance, thats a pre existing condition according to the prospective new insurer?
Fuck. Im kinda pre-diebetic since my depression fucked with my will to live, soon I might be diabetic and without ACA protection I'm kinda fucked when insurance eventually decide to not insure diabetic people.
My parents have some investments, but even if I inherit some of it, not sure if that would cover expensive big pharma bills.
I'mma go cry in a corner. (actually im too numb from the horrors on tuesday, too sad to even cry 😥)
- Another popular thing was children being able to stay on their parents' insurance until the age of 26.
Your employer offers you insurance by pooling its employees together to get a bulk rate. Your employer then subsidizes your plan (in most cases) and pays a fixed amount for your participation.
Essentially, the government did the same thing except it pools everyone who purchases through them.
Fun fact: if everyone purchased through the exchange, it would overall be cheaper for everyone but then tHaT iS sOcIaLiSm!
The ACA ensures you are covered for preexisting conditions, birth control, etc.
back when the aca was new and neat, i was unemployed long enough to need it. back then the govt subsidized premiums enough to make it affordable. earlier this year i was unemployed again for a bit and looked into it again. literally no better than cobra. all it offered now was helping you sign up for a full price policy the cheapest of which was $850/m with no subsidy or even tax break at all. coulda been because i live in texas but i dunno. didnt go through with it
With such slim margins on the house and Senate, why do you think Republicans would be able to?
You only need simple majority to pass most bills. You need 60 votes to bypass any filibuster attempts (this is called cloture).
There's also standing that "budget neutral bills over 10 years" need less red tape before being voted on.
I think they have what they need to repeal ACA, but not enough to shut down filibustering
The filibuster is just a Senate rule, though, which they can rewrite any time they like (though usually only after an election).
The 2017 repeal effort used a budget reconciliation mechanism that is not subject to filibuster. In fact, a lot of the 2017 legislative awfulness used the budget reconciliation hack, where the Senate can change laws in order to 'balance the budget,' so long as (by convention) they don't change policy. 2017 repeal, of course, famously failed because John McCain thought they shouldn't use that process and voted against it.
You forget that we will have a president who ignores the rule of law.
He'll issue an executive order shutting down the exchange website, minimize the exchange workforce to 0, and require everyone to apply by mail.
Red states did just this with SNAP benefits and did exactly what they intended.
You are correct. If everyone just plays along anything is possible. (Un)fortunately, the beauty of our system is the lack of playing along
In MN, they passed a lot of progressive bills with a 1 seat margin in both houses.
MN is much more functional than the US congress
Trump promised to get rid of Obamacare the first time around, it didn't happen then and I doubt it'll happen now.
