‘No man will touch me until I have my rights back’: why is the 4B movement going viral after Trump’s win?
‘No man will touch me until I have my rights back’: why is the 4B movement going viral after Trump’s win?
Demonstrators in South Korea swore off heterosexual dating in protest against misogyny. Now the movement is sparking interest among young American women
Demonstrators in South Korea swore off heterosexual dating in protest against misogyny. Now the movement is sparking interest among young American women
Just an FYI, for better education. 4B = bisekseu, bichulsan, biyeonae and bihon. For context of the Korean meaning, romanized for pronunciation. no sex with men 비섹스, no giving birth 비출산, no dating men 비연애, and no marriage with men 비혼.
Thank you, had no idea what it meant and didn't have enough initiative to go look.
Kamala underperformed Biden by 4% among women, primarily college educated women, the sole cohort their shitty woke anti-Bernie bro strategy of the last 4 years was supposed to win over in numbers that warranted losing all men. Physician heal thyself.
Some companies and government agencies have offered incentives for parents: one conglomerate gives employees who have three or more children a free car, and another constructing group has spent $5m on $75,000 cash bonuses to workers who have babies.
Fucking idiots
As an American leftist cishet man, I've been thinking a lot about what people like me can do in the wake of the election to support women. There's a dangerous temptation to mansplain the election to them while making them talk about their trauma with me, telling myself that I'm "reaching out" and attempting to let them know that I care. I'm trying to turn away from that impulse and replace it with a more useful one, which is to simply empower women in whatever small way I can, even if it has nothing to do with reproductive rights or politics. These are people whose identity group has just been insulted and demeaned on a massive scale, publicly, who now have to worry about essential rights being taken away, including in some cases the right to exist; the very least I can do is, like, defer to them about what we have for dinner. If I can also in some way provide a safe refuge and protect them using my privilege, that would be great.
Basically what I'm saying is that, with political power being taken away at the national scale, it's going to be natural for women to seize as much back in their personal life as they can. This hasn't affected me personally yet, but I'm trying to get out ahead of it and see what I can do to grant some power and offer refuge.
Also I think boycotts and general strikes of all sorts will be increasingly necessary given that all means of political opposition is being taken away. Leftist men similarly might want to think about whether there are things they can withhold from MAGA-run organizations to seize back power--and then grant that power to marginalized folks.
Threads about this are great for adding folks to my block list
Hey guess who women voted for and guess who voted according to how their man told them to?
Doing this seems to imply you think your only power is sex.
It implies that society thinks that's their only quality. The idea is that they're more and wish to be treated as such.
Or they see it as their only desirable trait, because they know that’s how many men view women: as sex objects.
This quality of logic brought to you by a mind caked with fluoride.
Trump is turning the women gay? Wut.
Wait until the Republicans find out about that! /s
No body wants to date these women anyways. Passport bros already figured this out…lol
No man will touch me
How, pray tell, do they plan to enforce this?
Trumpers don't need to date women. They just need to impregnate women. That can perfectly be done via rape, which Trump will make legal (in particular if these women are left-aligned). And then the women will be forced to carry the fetuses to term, which is already legal.
They will likely commit suicide instead. I cannot believe some of the comments here, incredible.
American women should absolutely say it out loud, "If you voted for Trump, no pussy." I saw that stated (low-key) when I was dating a few years back. Their profiles either said, "Don't care about politics.", which translates as, "Fuck off with your Trump shit." Or, outright said, no MAGA, in those words.
ALL women need to go on general strike. Not just if you voted for Trump, for everyone. Hard-line for "no freedom? no work, no sex, no labor". Watch the economy cripple at the greatest union in history. Watch political organizations form behind women because they've been denied access to what women provide.
ALL women need to go on general strike.
The February Revolution was not the result of the vanguardists successfully organizing and executing a revolt, but of many groups doing decades of groundwork laying before a bunch of women marching together on international women’s day and it going from a protest to the overthrow of the czarist regime.
That said the groundwork of today is to appeal to the disaffected worker class
I saw both types on tinder when I was using it a few years ago. Some would say “no MAGA” and some would say “no libs.”
I suspect religious indoctrination to be the main factor as this was UT and AZ but there are more women out there willing to vote for their own objectification and yoke than I think we assume.
Huh. Seeing any rejection of libs was rare for me, even on profiles labelled as conservative.
What are the politics in your area? We're so bloody red we reelected Matt Gaetz in a landslide.
Funny, in Russia "I don't care about politics" usually means something similar to Trump support.
"No Z" I have seen a lot, but usually those very socialized etc girls have that. I'm aspie (probably also social anxiety and PTSD). Nothing to discuss with people whose profiles indirectly say "don't be a whiny bitch".
Well, I guess maga chuds can always just fall back on good ole reliable porn... ooohhh sorry dipshits, you banned that too.
The male maga chuds will just sleep with female maga chuds. This isn’t going to really accomplish anything except for liberals not getting laid or procreating.
Isn’t this how the movie idiocracy started?
I take solace in knowing that all the female maga chuds I know are hideous wildebeasts, bloated and putrid. Them and maga men are a match made in heaven.
Fun history fact, this is also called Lysistratic nonaction after a play by Aristophanes and has been seen in both myth and recorded history for a variety of purposes, usually to end wars or other violence, but also often to protest the infringement of women's rights.
Thanks, I was trying to think of the name of that play without google.
Like the old adage goes, “there’s always a relevant Aristophanes play”
I'd love the pigeons shitting all over Trump and his cavalcade for the next 4 years, but look at me, living in cloud cuckoo land...
Man doing xkcd millennial before xkcd.
For now, McKenna isn’t sure exactly what 4B will look like to her in the election’s aftermath. She wants to do more research on the community. She’s not swearing off sex for ever, or taking a vow of celibacy. “Now when I go out with my girlfriends meeting people, instead of mingling to find a date, I’m going to mingle to get change,” she said. “When men come on to me, I’m just gonna push back.”
Good on them!
"Don't talk about politics on the first date" used to be a thing but now even as a man I think I would need to know someone's political views in detail before a second date. It's not enough to just vote for the same candidate. Plenty of people who despise each other's ideology voted for Harris. I'm even afraid to talk to some old friends about politics. I know they're Democrats but it's still possible for one of us to say something that would seriously damage the friendship.
It's like being Goldilocks. This one is too far right, that one is too far left...
That’s so weird, like my ex accidentally found herself on a date with a neonazi once. Sure, politics were once a minor conflict for most people, but even then it’s not like there weren’t communists in the 90s.
The first date should be “do we mesh, and are we compatible”
And yeah, I’m so grateful my teenage friends wound up with similar politics to me. A bunch of white kids from the Ohio suburbs and we all wound up some variety of socialists as 30 year olds.
Good on them. Hopefully the blue balls hurt.
- More women voted for Trump this time compared to 2020
- 46% of women who voted did so for Trump
- Around 90 million people who could vote, did not vote (can be arsed to figure out how many women did not vote but probably half of that figure)
- Voter turnout will likely be less than in 2020
As a foreigner reading these articles, I can just laugh. This "movement" is too little too late. Probably not even a real movement given how social media is an echo chamber so fucking removed from reality.
Good for them I guess, but the chance of doing real change was a few days ago, so can't take you guys seriously anymore. lmfao.
Yeah, lmao, they're losing their rights and are trying to find a semblance of control! lmfao!
And I'll bet 100% of the women pushing the American 4b movement voted for Trump or stayed home! And no way any of them were politically engaged and fighting for their rights before the election! Because otherwise your stats and points would be kinda fucking irrelevant right?
An obvious /s for the kids in the back. Even if their movement fizzles out, people are scared and trying to find a measure of peace. And laughing at that is a shitty thing to do.
I mean let’s just do numbers, that’s damn near 50% of women that didn’t vote for Trump and we know that 50% is majority younger women below 40. If even just half of that crowd, 25% of total younger women, join this movement, it becomes a disaster for men.
I mean if 100% of your dating pool are women and 50% of them decide they won’t date or have sex with you, that halves your chances of getting a date. Could even be worse for certain demographics like Latino men. That’s really rough. Even if half of what I estimate participate, that would still be a quarter of your dating pool gone and for men it’s already pretty dire as people are meeting/dating less and staying single longer.
Thanks for weighing in?
You gotta love a bunch of white women blaming the blanket "men," when it was primarily white men AND women who overwhelmingly elected trump. In fact, they are the group that consistently keeps electing Republicans. Maybe get your house in order and quit grouping the rest of us men in with your dysfunctional families.
Calm down, you're getting emotional.
Sweetie, it's obvious I've upset the cackle of Karen's with the truth.
Sounds like you're taking this a little too personal.
It's a major theme of these discussions, when women recognize and discuss how the culture hurts us, there will always be men who self select to identify with these social criticism and martyr themselves. Historical and legal patriarchy be damned, women prioritizing their own safety makes men the REAL victims here.🙄
Such is the yoke of the patriarchy
Naw, I refuse to allow white women to place any yoke upon me. Too many suffered and died to free me from that.
Fuck them all (but not literally)
Oh look, more liberal virtue signaling that will totally defeat fascism 🙄 obviously attacking men won the left the presidency... oh wait lol
You’re already an incel, how would this impact your life?
You do realize that when you say "virtue signalling" you really mean "nobody has any virtue and you're just pretending," don't you?
No, this is logically incorrect. I'm not the guy you are answering. He means that the person he's addressing doesn't have virtue and is pretending.
However, this kind of boycott is, ahem, historically known to be efficient.
Oh heaven forbid