I realize that this is a very hot political season. Its impossible to keep a "good vibes" feel with this year's election politics, so I'm not asking for "Don't be an Ass" or other such naive statement. But please try to be on your best behavior. This is "BestOfLemmy", and not a political debate site.
I've nuked a couple of subthreads that have gotten too hot. Please report anything you think is unhelpful to the greater discussion. I'll remove distracting posts as I see them, but I don't promise "good moderation" here. I'm just gonna cleanup what I can see and when I see it.
The general rule for "BestOfLemmy" is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of "newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first". And think about how you'd like to present yourself to them.
This is my guiding principle for moderation. This isn't a debate subsite, or debate community. I'm not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).
This post being presented as the best of Lemmy with all the downvote brigading for wrongthink is making me want want to leave Lemmy again. I used to run an instance a while back before the first reddit migration and just gave up (when lemmy.ml and lemmygrad was dominating the lemmyverse) and this whole mess of a post have only made it seem like everything is worse.
And that's after I've spent the last two weeks blocking users I find awful instead of spending all that time insulting and downvoting people "that have the wrong opinion".
Maybe the best of Lemmy is downvotes and snarky "don't let the door hit your ass in the way out" comments? I see no point I'm mentioning what seems like the worst of Lemmy these days.
So to you, the best of Lemmy is "vote for my candidate or you're a traitor"? And ON TOP OF THAT, you want people to accept it or get their comment deleted? What kind of reasoning is that? You could just remove such an obviously inflammatory post instead of acting in such way. Especially since you literally admitted this is not to encourage a conversation or a debate:
This isn't a debate subsite, or debate community. I'm not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).
I'm sure new users will love to see this kind of behavior by the mods of this community
I'm deleting the worst of posts that have degenerated into just two members insulting each other over and over again.
You can see the topic is mostly open for your discussion. Just don't make your posts devolve into useless bullshit and I'll keep the posts up.
I know it's careful balance and it's basically impossible to get it correct on political topics. But I'll do my best.
I'm simply being honest here. I'm not going to let 5+ posts of insults just stay around here. But this is also a topic with literally hundreds of comments so I'll be making mistakes as a moderator.
I'm not passing out bans here, yet anyway. I'm just deleting posts that have gone off the rails (as well as the threads / earlier posts that led to overheated discussion).
The general rule for "BestOfLemmy" is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of "newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first". And think about how you'd like to present yourself to them.
This is what you want new people to see? "vote for my candidate or you hate America"? Propaganda bullshit? I'm sure I'll write in a candidates name as I do every four years as, once again, neither major party is worthy of my vote, but the arrogance of people like you makes me want to vote for Trump out of spite.
News flash bud:
You don’t get to just show your ass and then expect people to kiss it. That’s not how it works. You’re not entitled to anyone’s respect when you refuse to offer it yourself. We all saw you all whine and cry in 2016 and again in 2020. You’re no different now.
So no, you don’t get the respect you demand just because you can stomp your feel loud enough.
Theres a reason no one takes any of you seriously,
You taught them not to.
Reddit ahh post. Genuinely what is the point of Lemmy dot world if every community is just scolding people about the fact you're glazing a genocide denier
God, is there anywhere that isn't full of US politics???
It's because it's nearing their election it's ramping up.
Voting is already ongoing in many states, today crossed 40 million early votes. For the next 1.5wk avoiding politics and crazy advertisements for/against candidates is impossible if you live in the US. Given the size of the country and its worldwide economic dominance it's impossible to not be impacted by US politics regardless of where you live.
Idk who nuxcom is but is this really a contender for best of Lemmy? You see the same comment in every other post so is this person that special or do we have a slow day?
There are two rules currently written for "BestOfLemmy", and they are:
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Manual Curation -- If someone thinks its best-of material, it is allowed here.
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Newbie to Lemmy perspective -- Posts should be beneficial to new Lemmy users. I'll ban topics on a case-by-case basis that violate this (ex: deep server vs server feuds or other "community vs community drama" topics).
From #1: The poster clearly thinks its worth sharing, so it deserves a topic. That's sufficient. For #2: it is a very political season (with only days remaining before the USA's voting days), so I think most people looking into Lemmy here would forgive us for a politically charged topic like this.
I evaluate that this topic was posted in good faith, and that newbies would accept such a topic here. So that's why it stays.
From a "BestOf" perspective: my main problem with the post is that it links to a picture of the post, rather than the original topic and the original discussion that created this particular post. I might make a rule against image-posts (ie: do not make unnecessary screenshots. Prefer to link to various topics and other discussions on Lemmy. Screenshots are counterproductive to the greater Lemmy community).
It seems labeling any thread "best of" in advance would be premature.
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My vote is very much on slow day and, given a choice, would nuke this thread entirely, if that helps.
If folk MUST steal other's work, at least pick something that is semi-uniquely them and not literally a post made while taking a shit.
Guess I felt they summed it straight up.
I don't disagree with the point but I have seen the same comment more than 100 times here lol. But I can see where you are coming from.
Won't someone PLEASE think about the CONSTITUTION!
Trump spent four years breaking the law and Biden spent four years not putting his ass in jail. Meanwhile, you've NYPD officers putting bullets into the heads of people adjacent to turnstill jumpers. You've got paramilitary raids on college campuses and suburban neighbors to thrash peaceful protesters. You've got pipeline companies stealing property with the government's blessing, while locals blocking the illegal construction are sprayed with tear gas. You've got a billionaire actively buying votes three weeks before an election, while the FEC twiddles its thumbs. You've got illegal overseas occupation of territory from Okinawa to Al Anbar to Guantanamo Bay. You've got a SCOTUS that's taking bribes to issue rulings and Congressmen taking bribes to write laws and Governors taking bribes to turn over public property to private interests.
Whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.
Biden spent four years not putting his ass in jail.
The president cannot escape the systems of checks & balances we have to unilaterally imprison someone.
Ok, but what if I hated America before Chump lowered himself from TV host to Presidential Candidate?
Like back in the G-Dub days I was asking Tshirt shops if they'd make "Death to America" shirts for me. (Only ever found 2 btw which was very brave of them in post 9/11 USA)
America is like 100x more powerful than Russia, so it's really fucking weird that an ex-president is beholden to Putin.
It's money and blackmail for sure.
Putin masturbates over the thought of destroying the US. He can't do it militarily so he does that by sowing division, spreading false narratives, putting Americans against Americans and ultimately having a US president who is his lapdog
Sure it's weird.
His vp pick fucks couches. I'd say it's on brand.
The whole thing is fucking weird.
But what's weird and what governs the future lives to be lost are separate issues entirely.
If it's weird and beholden to Putin, idk what else there is to say.
My gut says that Putin has some very embarrassing dirt on Trump.
Edit: is/says
Couch fucking nazis
It's the Foxbat all over again
I hate America but don't want Trump. What do?
vote Kamala. anything else will make you hate everywhere else in addition to America :D
"If you don't vote Harris, you hate America"
Great way to convince the folks at hexbear and .ml to vote Trump
They weren't going to vote for Harris anyways. If she magically brought peace to the middle east tomorrow, they'd find some other reason to not vote for her.
They won’t be voting in the election because 85% of them are not American.
As if anyone of them is old enough to vote. They sound like 14 at most.
"see what you made me do? You made me do the exact opposite of what you're asking me to do."
Yeah, nah, bro, that's not how this works. They were already going to vote Trump, no matter what.
Refusing to vote for Harris and actually voting for Trump are 2 different things, I know you can make the argument that both lead to the same outcome but they are 2 different choices
I mean, sure. In the same way that when you pull up to a traffic circle, you can go left or right. After all, they'll both lead to the same place, right?
They are two different things, in the same way that running towards a rabid dog, and sitting still while a rabid dog runs towards you, are two different things
"I just don't think the dog should have rabies in the first place" is a perfectly reasonable thing to say, and it's not going to make the dog not have rabies
I mean basically everyone except usamericans somewhat hates the US. Its like a love hate relationship. Cant live with them, cant live without them.
Anyone in the world who doesn't somewhat hate their own country is kind of an idiot.
Personally I don't think it's helpful to treat a slavers' pact like how some people treat the bible.
I couldn't give less of a turd about a constitution, especially one that's been the source of endless oppression and genocide. It's a fundamental reason why the usa is such a trash heap.
Article V cries out to be invoked. The most important part of the document and the least regularly employed.
Yeah the constitution totally doesn't need a rewrite or a few extra amendments thrown in
It needs to be thrown out and restarted from scratch. The status quo is not good, it is very bad and I'm suspicious of anyone who defends it
challenging my nationalism? that's like one of the isms i'm most sensitive about
next you'll tell me that if i don't love amerikkka, i can leave?
I would instead say if you don't vote for Kamala you have your head up your ass. Some people are too stupid to actually "hate" anything, they just don't know suicide from shinola. Sometimes you just want a good satisfying battle, so you look around for some evil to smite. But usually a good horse whippin' doesn't actually fix anybody.
It feels like the heat got turned on almost all the way up with this election
It is against US law and international law to send weapons to a country guilty of genocide.
Did Harris forget about this?
I agree, and it's complete bullshit.
But I'm going to vote for "genocide and some safety for my Trans and female friends" over "more genocide, gay bashing, and forced birthing". It's our only two choices until there is either a change in the voting system, or better yet, a revolution.
I respect this even if I don’t agree with it. If you believe voting for Harris is harm reduction then you have to and it is a moral imperative. So I do understand and empathize with people who are honest about how the Democrats are failing but still see critical issues like democracy, gender equality and rights, and the environment better handled by them.
However I believe this hope and faith is misplaced. But I realized this after 6 presidential elections, so I don’t dare to deny you your own experience and personal growth. In 2020 I still had hopes that the border detention will be over if we just get Trump and his racist goons out. The border camps are still here…
Somehow it feels like the government is on autopilot and the only thing elections change is the intensity.
Trump "wants them to finish the job",...
And Biden did what to stop them over the past 12 months? Vetoed UN ceasefire twice, vetoed Palestinian statehood, sent thousands of tons of weapons to Israel despite knowing they break international law and have blocked aid entry to civilians, and now is helping Israel invade Lebanon and strike Iran. Trump is saying it but Biden is doing it now.
Whose fault is it that the genocide continued for a year and might be inherited by Trump? In the end we find out that in 2023 Biden is as bloodthirsty as he was in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon.
This is the most absurd thing I've ever read. Both of them have a poor track record on the constitution. A weird fantasy people have cooked up in their head without evidence shouldn't be the best of lemmy. It can be a fear. It can be a fear people talk about. But the best content of anything? I hope not.
Do you want to know why Kamala is doing poorly in the election odds. It's not that she's a worse candidate. People vote for or against social movements. Plenty of reason to vote against the MAGA social movement. But middle america is voting against the delusionment they see on the left and that they see on internet formums. This kind of disconnect from reality scares them, and they vote against your candidate.
Believing a candidate when they tell you who they are is the opposite of delusion.
Election odds? You mean the betting markets where 4 users dumped 30 million dollars on Trump coincidentally when Elon Musk started campaigning for him Pennsylvania? The odds that had her leading by 5 points that those 30 mil shifted to losing by 15?
Or are you talking about the polling, which has been an absolute shiteshow for 10 years because no one picks up their phones for random numbers anymore?
If you don’t support bombing hospitals and children, you hate America
I hate Americans and America, source: am American. Still voting for Kamala because I hate Donald Trump and I want domestic and global stability. I personally think that the Kamala camp is afraid to take a stand against Israel because of the Jewish voting bloc. It's a spineless tactic for sure.
Nothing says global stability like drone striking children in the street!
Nice, this argument was made with worse faith than Scientology.
Not voting objectively leads you to a worse option and because the inherent biases of our system we have to choose lest it be chosen for us.
Not voting will not EVER stop what is going on, but you knew that.
Both candidates will do nothing about Israel. Kamala is maybe an ounce better on communication on this issue. But the genocide will keep going on no matter what sadly. It should be unacceptable to us, but if voting is our only mechanism of control its basically zero control over that issue.
If you think you know better than everyone around you, you love socialism.
Ahh yes, me up in my lofty ivory tower espousing my anti murder stance, what an out of touch intellectual elite
You're right, I do hate America.
Yes, we all know that's your motivation
I wish we'd get a candidate that didn't run purely on hey look how shitty trump is. It's so lazy and barely worked last time.
She has a platform, proposed policies, lots of positive working class messaging, and tons of other stuff.
She is not only running on look how shitty Trump is. That is just the part that gets attention.
And yet during the q&a she fumbled so hard because all she could say is "Trump bad", going so far as to avoid every question. Shit like "if you could push anything through the Congress, what would be the one primary issue you would choose?". Literally there on the plate. But she didn't answer, instead saying "all of them are important". She said that Trump's wall was a good idea. When asked if she'd be for appointing more judges to the Supreme Court, she said she wants to reform it but she doesn't know how and needs to do research. Of course no change re: Palestine. She even said that now that Sinwar is dead, there will be peace in Palestine. And then she said that people who see Palestine as an important issue will still vote for her because of the price of groceries. And then kept talking about Trump. And then when asked if she would support Israel more than Trump would, she again avoided the question, and again defaulted to "Trump bad".
https://kamalaharris.com/issues/
She has a website that very clearly explains her platform.
It doesn't though. She states what she wants to do, but not how she will do them. Because she doesn't know how things work. She says she's cutting taxes, but then talks only about child tax credits. Sorry, tax credits is not the same as cutting taxes, and the credits she's talking about doesn't help everyone, just parents and business owners. How will she cut taxes? It never says.
And yet, when she was served up an easy gimme question at the last town hall debate, she shied away and waffled about bipartisanship.
CAROL NACKENOFF, POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT SWARTHMORE COLLEGE: Good evening… My question is this: if you could accomplish only one major policy goal that required congressional action, what would it be, and why?
HARRIS: Well, there's not just one. I have to be honest with you, Carol. There's a lot of work that needs to happen.
But let's -- let's -- I think that maybe part of this point that -- I how I think about it is we've got to get past this era of politics and partisan politics slowing down what we need to do in terms of progress in our country. And that means working across the aisle.
It's not working this time at all.
This is what happens if your only source of news is Reddit and Lemmy. Just watch any of her extensive interviews and rallies and you will get a whole lot more.
USAmerican politics really seeps into every nook and cranny on the goddamn web. I'd much rather read about something happening in the rest of America than USAmerica. It gets really annoying...
It's because we have the least stable democracy and the most economic influence out of any country in the world
!bestoflemmy
wait
Read it as 'we have at least stable democracy', hung for a few moments
Like it or not, these guys can duck up the entire world pretty badly. I can’t afford to ignore it, even if I don’t live anywhere near the U.S.
What are you going to do with the knowledge of them fucking up their economy and voting for a talking orange? What's that knowledge worth? Are you going to pull your money out of all the AMZN stocks you bought? Send a strongly worded letter to Kamala for not being more radical? Fly across the sea to assassinate an upcoming dictator?
Can't wait for this to be over. In the meantime I should set up some keyword filters in my Lemmy client
Ah that's actually a great idea
I live here. I want Trump to lose this election so bad. Mostly because if he is elected, I do think there is a real danger of him abusing his power. That his policies may kill thousands of Americans again.
But also, because I am so fucking tired of hearing about every little thing he says. I wish we could go back to the not verging on the edge of fascism politics were I don't have to hear or worry about what inane thing the most powerful person in my country has said today.
I'm in America. I'd want that too, which is kind of the motivation - get that narcissist gone for good, and that should free up a loooooot of attention he's stealing.
As a USAmerican in a swing state I’m pretty sick of it too.
Imagine this shit polluting your SMS and email and postal mail and people ringing your doorbell in addition to the rest of the web.
Why do people keep saying USAmericans? It looks and sounds stupid, you can just say Americans, everyone will know who you're talking about .
you can just say
Americanspeople, everyone will knowwhoyou're talking about USA.Fixed this for you. Kind of a pet peeve of mine when people use 'defaults', like everyone on the internet are in America, or if you're talking to someone from a capital of a different country they will assume you're also in the capital, everyone lives in America timezone, everyone using English uses en_US locale, and if by some bizarre chance you're in another country you can only switch language and country together, etc
OMG, how could I have forgotten that the country taking up less than a quarter of two continents, both called America, called dibs on "American"? Sorry Beta #1. I shall discard the fact that there are 34 other countries which use the demonym "American".
Ask someone from South America
Because USians didn't stick, but their pompousness continued on. E: in the form of saying usamericans
nope.
tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.
longer:
If you vote for Trump, you're selfish, psychopathic, and are trying to damage the US more than it already is.
If you vote for anyone who isn't Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.
tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.
This part is true
If you vote for anyone who isn't Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.
Until we are no longer bound by the Electoral College, this is dangerously false. "Not Trump" isn't a candidate, and the single candidate with the most votes get the electoral votes. If Trump gets 49% and the "not Trump" votes get 51% but no single "not Trump" candidate gets above 49%, then Trump wins even though Trump got less votes than "not Trump"
The only way to meaningfully vote "not Trump" is to vote for the "not Trump" candidate who everyone is rallying around rather than throwing a stupid protest vote to a third party candidate.
In the 2016 republican primary, Trump got 44.9% of the vote. Three "not Trump" candidates got 50.2% combined, but it was divided between them.
If it is a protest vote, as goes your assumption without evidence? it's dumb, but it's their right.
most people vote on policy, so they're voting for third party candidates that have a stronger stance on whatever policy there is.
in this particular election, Harris already achieved more effective policy change than third candidate platforms in terms of environmentalism, minority rights, and so on, so it makes logical sense to vote for her if you're a political liberal, but if somebody wants to vote for Stein or anybody else because that candidate is more aligned with their views, that is just as valid as voting for Harris.
they are voting as they should, not as some are hoping they will be scared into voting.
voting sincerely is not "stupid".
Working to split the vote against Harris is effectively a vote for Trump and for fascism.
third party voters are not working to "split the vote", they are voting for their preferred candidate.
also known as "voting" in healthy democracies.
and no, a vote for a different candidate is not a vote for Trump, that is fundamentally inaccurate fear-based alarmism.
it's okay that you're afraid, but that's no reason to dismantle democracy.
duverger's "law" shows that the problem with fptp is that people strategically vote, leading to party consolidation. values voting prevents party consolidation
This explains the stupid in America's voting system that makes "voting for not-kamala" the same as "basically voting for trump". It sounds like idiotic extremism if you don't have the specific context this video provides. In truth it's just a weird aftereffect of bad voting rules. It's worth checking out!
i've been well aware of us electoral problems for a long time.
I'm assuming your video is either about ranked choice voting or the electoral College?
I am happy that Americans have finally learned about ranked choice voting this election cycle and are eagerly spreading the news, I really am.
it is "idiotic extremism" to blame third party voters for systemic problems.
you want third party voters to vote like you vote.
That's fine.
but they don't have to listen and them voting for Jill Stein or anybody else's just as valid as them voting for kamala.
it may not be as effective, or logical this election cycle, since Harris has already enacted so many third-party progressive policies, but everyone should vote for their preferred candidate.
yup, FPTP videos.
I am very glad Americans are finally paying attention to this part of electoral reform.
you can track down gerrymandering, registration purges, and several other significant problems in the US electoral system that actually difference your elections.
after you collect them all, it is glaringly obvious that third party voters, who vote for good candidates, unjustifiably receive the brunt of ire that should be focused on systemic electoral policies.
voting is good.
it is good that people are voting for third party candidates.
it's great that people are voting for Harris.
voting is good.
