What's something you used to do/see/say but don't anymore because you don't feel it's right?
What's something you used to do/see/say but don't anymore because you don't feel it's right?
Me personally? I've become much less tolerant of sexist humor. Back in the day, cracking a joke at women's expense was pretty common when I was a teen. As I've matured and become aware to the horrific extent of toxicity and bigotry pervading all tiers of our individualistic society, I've come to see how exclusionarly and objectifying that sort of 'humor' really is, and I regret it deeply.
As a millennial, we grew up with the phrases "that's gay" and "that's retarded" (which meant the same thing) and obviously we had to learn to phase those out.
While I never once meant "that's disabled" or "that's homosexual"... We obviously don't say that stuff anymore.
I witnessed something at work a few weeks ago, that caught me off guard. One of the managers was asking for a favour off one of the lads in work, it's a blue collar job so it's never been PC, "Carl, need a favour, can you do such and such" "Can't sorry Steve" "Go on lad don't be gay" "Steve, I've been taking cock for the last 25 years and you asking me to stop for an extra hours work won't stop me"
Everyone around just creased up laughing.
I learned these real quick in the workplace as a young adult, around a coworker with a mentally disabled child, and with a coworker who was gay. The abstraction is what made using such crude language easy. As soon as I knew someone affected by the words, I snapped out of it.
Abstraction, come to think of it, is what permits a lot of bad behavior.
I still say "That's pretty gay" but only for things like rainbows or LGBT bumper stickers.
Yep we used to use "that's gay" all the time. Never meant other than that is stupid.
Once upon a brighter time, gay was only colloquially used to convey happiness, unrelated to the sexual connotations there is today.
Such a sad time we live in where everything becomes a sensitive topic that can insult and hurt.
To clarify before I get cancelled to oblivion 😂 - you want your diversity, fine with me, good for you, but please there is no need to be a touchy one and reserve a swathe of labels to get insulted by when it can clearly be decided upon context if it was meant to be insulting or not.
Oh god I've got so many.
My latest one is remembering that you can't really fight fire with fire, unless you're being extraordinarily strategic about it. Attacking bigotry for instance, simply makes it stronger, as it feeds off strife and fear themselves. Remembering why Michelle Obama said when they go low, we go high. Not out of any great preference, but out of a lack of viable alternatives in her situation.
You can't actually "fight" it. You can exclude it. You can corral it. You can trick it into running itself off a cliff. But you can't actually destroy it by combating it directly, because it feeds off the combat, just like Trump does. You have to outmaneuver it.
Like the black musician who befriended all those kkk members and got them to retire their hoods and leave the kkk. It wasn’t by been mean and condescending he was very nice to them.
I routinely attack bigots on social media. I enjoy writing and their shitty views are basically writing prompts for me.
At no point have I ever expected to change the bigots mind. They're not going to read a social media comment and wake up a new person -- they'd lose their bigot friends and bigot family.
But I have changed the minds of spectators, and thats important. Which is why assholes should never be left unchallenged when they're being assholes, especially on the safety of the internet.
I don't think there's that many spectators wandering around in true states of neutrality wondering whether their various conspiracies are true. Most people lean already, they've been already influenced. Thus, if not approached very strategically, you're actually recruiting for both sides.
Remember, they've attacked rationality and logic themselves. The people who still put faith in rationality and logic, and thus can be convinced with it, were not particularly vulnerable in the first place.
Pride started as a riot. Women's Lib started as a riot. Peaceful demonstrations achieve nothing.
I was totally headed down the alt right pipeline. Throughout highschool I was depressed and lonely. I lost my faith which sent me to the online atheist community which ran out of content, so they started attacking feminists/sjws. I also just distrusted women because I got molested as a child by one and no one took it seriously. This had primed me to just eat up all the content from the MRA/antifeminist crowd. The youtube algorithm, which at the time was absolutely unhinged, pushed me to racist content which I just parroted because I didn't know any better. I didn't understand why things were the way things were, but I was taught who to blame.
What saved me was getting friends. These friends shattered my preconceptions, which sent me to the library, which got me talking to more people, which got me reading more. By the time I finished high school I just became utterly incompatible with the person I used to be. I couldn't take back the things I said to people, but I could join their protests and speak up for them when I heard some heinous shit being said.
I watched a few Jordan Peterson videos out of curiosity, and I will also watch some Joe Rogan clips as well for the same reason. For a while, I was bombarded by alt right YouTube videos. It's so crazy to think just a few clicks can lead you down that path. I was older when I watched so it, so I could obviously discern their real message, but if I was a younger man it would be harder. The algorithm almost seemed to slowly introduce more and more extreme views.
Watch the Pangburn videos of Jordan Peterson debating Sam Harris. It's easy to see what a word-salad regurgitating sophist blowhard Peterson is.
For a while, I was bombarded by alt right YouTube videos. It’s so crazy to think just a few clicks can lead you down that path.
I think it's that people who are into that kind of messaging are really into that kind of messaging and tend to binge-watch whole feeds. Engagement-driven algorithms present more and more of it hoping to get those ad presentations. I hope it's not a nefarious conspiracy to boost right wing propaganda, but I suppose, without the actual algorithm, that we'll never know.
Ive spent a good time in MRA subs. It's not a bad thing. We need someone to bring to light the disparity in family and divorce court. We need people fighting for men's parental rights.
There are people who go way too far into the red pill and incel territory. But MRA on its own has merits and are often fighting just for egality in the aspects of our society where women are given undue preferential treatment. There is nothing biological which makes a woman a more competent caregiver or more able to love a child. Additionally, society is changing and women are more likely to be in the work force, even in a relationship, making the idea of alimony dated.
I no longer describe anything as 'lame' or 'retarded' or 'spaz' or their variants. It makes me sad ableism is so ingrained in even the most inclusive spaces even though the same argument has removed the use of 'gay' for the same reasons.
I also avoid dark or dry humour unless I'm confident the people I am talking to know it's absurdist and not a serious opinion. I don't always succeed at this.
I honestly don't think it's ableism. Languages evolve and retarded doesn't mean a mental condition it literally means "dumb". Most people don't even know "lame" is related to a movement conditions and if you did a statistical analysis 99% of use cases are not related to the "original meaning". People are just ignorant of how language works, especially since English is a global language.
Yeah, people made the same arguments about 'gay' and 'fag'.
Retarded was the word of choice medically in the 60's - 80's for people with developmental disabilities. It derives from the Latin word Tardus which means slow or late.
Languages evolve, but the euphemistic treadmill is ongoing. The word 'cretin' derived from the word 'Christian', the person who coined it intended it to mean that people with cognitive impairments were still people worthy of respect. And now it's just a straight up insult. Similar with 'idiot' and 'moron'.
And these days you can look at wojaks which use physical differences like drooling or missing half a head or being physically unattractive in unconventional ways to indicate ignorance or stupidity.
Every word that people use to try to describe people with disabilities respectfully becomes a slur. That's because of ableism. It's just not talked about much.
More on this topic for anyone interested in the euphemism treadmill: https://humanparts.medium.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-mentally-retarded-e3b9eea23018
Im really trying hard to stop calling shit retarded. im 40 dammit its just what we always said :(
Same, even now I've been making an effort not to for years, it still sometimes pops up in my internal monologue. Over-writing preprogrammed habits is hard, I am right there with you.
Is lame ableist? I knew about the other 2, and I think anyone else growing up in the 2000s used them at some point (myself included, don't anymore though), but I've never heard of lame as being a slur.
Technically yes but I'm disabled and it's literally never seemed ableist to me. I've never heard anyone use it as anything other than "that's a bummer" or "you're ruining the vibe"
I think that specific word has been reformed
You can pry “lame” and “spaz” outta my cold, dead tongue!
Yep, an ADHD diagnosis made me realize how ableist society is, stuff that looks easy for some is insurmountable for others.
Crap, it never occurred to me that "lame" was even related to disability. I mean, obviously it is - though in my mind that aspect of the word was almost exclusively related to animals. Is lame rude now too?
The dry absurdist humour being taken seriously is real. Too many times lately I've been getting strange looks to what I thought were obviously absurd jokes/opinions. I've probably been spending too much time online
I think it's partly a symptom of our world being super-connected. There are some loud people out there with some really poorly founded ideas, and opinions which most people would consider absurd. Previously that might be only one or two people in a community, but the internet has changed that for good.
I also try not to do it anymore to help people with disabilities which prevent them from readily picking up on sarcasm like autism. I don't need to accidentally influence someone who has taken me at face value. It's so hard not to revert back to old habits though.
Seems pretty simple to replace spaz with spez now...
Gay is one of the most useful words. There isn't and never was a replacement for that word. It just fits a certain description of a certain something that no other word quite fits.
Gay used to mean happy, then it meant homosexual, then it meant some annoying, uncomfortable, awkward thing. We have words for the first two definitions but we don't have an alternative to the third. It just made sense in some many different contexts nothing could replace it.
Gay (the three letter word) for the third definition was a thing of beauty and I wish it would come back. Let's just go back to calls gays homosexuals and we can use gay for a better untapped market.
Cringe seem to have become popular to describe all kinds of annoying, uncomfortable, or awkward things lately. Maybe use that instead since the other two uses of gay were pretty well established when people started using it as the third definition.
Cringe?
Gay people. When I was much much younger I remember telling a friend that while I didn't have a problem with people doing their own thing, I still didn't like gay people. My friend said I hope when you have kids they're gay. Guess what happened and how I feel about it now. I was such a dumb ass. When my kid came out to me I wept for joy at their bravery. I don't take hard stances on my opinions now and try to remember that my perspective isn't ultimate or necessarily right. There's always a chance that I'm wrong.
You really tempted fate, there!
I was raised in a fundamental christian extremest environment and stuck with it for 30 years. I'm now a card carrying atheist.
I was raised Baptist, with all the shitty bells and whistles. I'm now an agnostic theist. Part of me is still fond of Christianity, but definitely not the more eyebrow-raising stuff nor the church.
I am proud of my new theistic beliefs now, as they remain rational and embrace how little we really can know. And now I validate atheism as rational and normal too. At least in principle— some atheists can be as cultish and angry as some Christians or some vegans or any other community that focuses on world-scale beliefs and issues. But I digress.
Congrats on getting away from extremists and forming your own beliefs, fam.
If you're carrying a card you're still in a cult.
Church of Satan
I always call those people anti-theists, as opposed to atheists. The ones who almost have their lack of religion as a religion in itself and criticise (and let's be honest, demean) anyone with a faith.
By all means, criticise the church, and the structures, which harm people. Criticise the willfully misinterpreted doctrine. The religions themselves, people's beliefs? Leave them alone.
Used to use the word 'retarded' to describe people doing dumb things. Then I realized that not only was it hurtful to people with Down Syndrome - it was inaccurate ... as a person with Down Syndrome would not do the things I was attributing to the phrase.
I don't go around using that word because of how many people find it disrespectful. But, and I ask this out of honest curiousity, why is it offensive in the first place?
I see it as synonymous with 'idiot' or 'stupid' when used colloquially. The argument that it's a medical term doesn't really hold as 'idiot' and 'moron' are also medical terms that refer to a lacking of intellectual acuity. In many ways 'retarded' has the same meaning both colloquially and medically. To be mentally retarded is to be mentally slowed or lacking that similar mental acuity that 'idiot' or 'moron' convey.
Retarded just means slow and it's a perfectly apt description. Where I think people get confused is when retardation is linked with a specific attribute like physical retardation or emotional retardation, those convey very different meanings.
I'm not saying that we should start using it again, but that I find it odd how society has latched onto a very specific word and labelled it as bad in the matter of a decade. At the end of the day, any word that can be used to insult or demean, is rude. It's not the word being used, it's what is meant by them. The term 'Cis-gender ' is also being used in a highly exclusionary way and often times is conveyed as an insult. However, it's real meaning is not insulting in the least.
I agree that the issue is ahem idiotic. I just avoid using it now because I don't like to offend people generally. But people should also have thicker skin. Jesus
That one's still unfortunately commonplace. The term isn't used in professional circles anymore because it now just means "stupid."
Yea, I'll correct anyone who says it. People may not love it, but there needs to be people calling out other people for shit. A little different direction, but still similar, is men calling out other men for sexist shit. Sexist men often don't listen to women, but the moment their buddy says something they start to think.
You may lose a few friends doing this, but the people you probably want to be hanging out with will respect you more for it. I find people appreciate being willing to call them out, it takes guts. It takes a real man to call out sexist little boys, and also those who still use the outdated term "retarded" to call someone stupid.
I have ADHD so I call my self retarded at work all the time when I fuck up (blue-collar job so that kinda shit Flys there more than at a white-collar job) It kinda helps me not feel insecure. I know people think that of me so by calling my self that constantly it doesn't get to me as much
I take my coffee black, like my men. A line from the movie Airplane. My wife made me quit saying it, that servers today don't know the movie, and so it's just creepy instead of funny now. :(
I will say 'I like my coffee like I like my women, black and strong'. My wife is a tiny white girl so I tend to get funny looks when I say it.
My go-to is that I take my coffee like my soul, dark and bitter.
I would probably not say it if it was true though 😊
I used to be a full on incel, it's an easy hole to fall into if you hate yourself. I had to take a good look at myself and realize that I was the problem, and now I'm a far happier person
I've always though that being an incel would be far too easy to get into. Back when I was a young, (even more) socially anxious and depressed teenager, I could see myself definitely agreeing with some of their world views. Thankfully I finally took some responsibility for my own issues, much like you have done, but it's absolutely wild to me that I almost found myself identifying as one of them.
That's good you developed the insight to change. I think a lot of these guys could live happier lives of they looked within and made the effort.
I was lucky enough that inceldom tried to pull me in before the internet is what it is now. The deacon effect (flawed women are attracted to assholes theory) is what almost got me. If I looked that up and then my youtube algorithm started shoving other things that "seem right" to a 14 year old boy. I would have turned out way worse. Life is already pretty hard to navigate without demonizing half the world.
Damn bro, how did you get out of that hole?
I used to be an incel.
Still am, but used to be, too!
I don't have any regrets about making dead baby jokes when I was much younger, but definitely won't be making them now with an 8 month old daughter.
My 17yo thought I was bullshitting him when we were talking about these jokes. He googled it and was speechless. I was kinda young when they were popular but remember vividly my uncle's telling them often.
Wow, I always thought this was just like a middle school humour thing. Didn't realize it was short lived (that's probably a good thing though lol)
They're very dark, but often quite surreal at the same time.
when's the cutover from baby to toddler?
I've done ny best to shake out ableist, racist, and other harmful speech.
We may be able to speak freely but we are all held accountable for the words we say
Yeah, I hit my teens at the turn of the millennium. Saying "gay," and all it's synonyms, was just an everyday thing. I watched the movie Waiting the other day and was surprised at how they dropped the word faggot almost immediately and repeatedly, until I remembered that's how people talked 20 years ago. It definitely made me think about how if you dial the clock back 60, 70 years, the N word was probably just as commonplace, and society has done a great job of getting rid of that. So I suppose I have hope that we can continue to wipe out hateful speech, we just need a minute.
I feel this is one of the big concerns around cancel culture. I said all types of stuff growing up as a millennial that was fine then, but probably wildly offensive in the future and not great now.
I practice meditation quite seriously, but I stopped telling people I'm spiritual. I really am not interested in ghost stories, gods and angels at all.
Me neither. It's alright to learn superstitions and traditional folk beliefs, but what you shouldn't do is allow them to get in the way of safety and productivity. E.g. taking herbal supplements with adverse side effects.
I, too, used to have a phase where I went around telling people I was "agnostic", but looking back, the only real reason I kept saying that was to show an apologist face towards my conservative Christian family. Really I was just atheist, but it took me quite a while for me to be able to confidently say that.
There are two kinds of atheists, gnostic and agnostic. Gnostic atheists claim to know for a fact that there are no gods (an impossible claim) and agnostic atheists don't claim to know it for a fact, but believe it based on the available evidence. Most atheists are agnostic ones. There are gnostic and agnostic theists, as well.
Meditation is excellent.
I keep my religion to myself. My beliefs are my own and private. Let others define providence and the unknown how they want, it's none of my business. Better to focus on being a good person and doing good things.
Wait is meditation a "spiritual" act? Or am I misunderstanding?
I thought mediation was just about self control and mindfulness and being calm.
I struggle with using the word spirituality w/ meditation as well, because of the mentioned connotations. But I think this is roughly the definition people use that does kinda fit: "Spirituality involves the recognition of a feeling or sense or belief that there is something greater than myself, something more to being human than sensory experience, and that the greater whole of which we are part is cosmic or divine in nature."
And that feeling does resonate with me a bit. I don't believe in any supernatural or religious deity, but I do believe we're all part of something bigger in a very literal sense. Meditating and being mindful and reflecting on life are ways for me to remember that bigger whole.
So in that sense, I'm "spiritual" but I don't use that word personally.
That's what most people think, but when you go on long meditation retreats the experiences that you can have are quite profound and very far beyond being calm and in control. Those experiences are transformative. Spiritual is not really a bad word for it, except that with meditation it is all so very clear. You can explain exactly what happened, what the transformative insight was and how it changes your perspective. It is spiritual, yet lucid and repeatable.
Thank you. I wish people would stop identifying as "spiritual." For some, it's a way to avoid saying, "I'm evangelical and I want to convert you," for others its "I grew up religious and I don't believe but it feels good," while for others its, "I'm an atheist but I am afraid you will judge me if I say as much." etc. It is a meaningless assertion that makes me suspect someone is vacuous until proven otherwise.
I used to use “gay “ or “ retarded “ as negative adjectives, I no longer do because using someone’s being in a negative light is really mean, and I try not to be mean.
"Gay" was one I never used. "Retarded" is one I don't use any more but still admittedly find kind of funny. I spent a number of years as a kid in the 80s living in New England and for me it will always be "Re-tah-ded."
I miss "Retarded" so much for how it was used in slang but it's pretty irredeemable as a word at this point. Nothing really replaced it as a call-out, which sucks.
Even before it was considered offensive, I generally took the Michael Scott route with the word.
I feel the same about the f-slur for gays. I'm in the LGBT + community and still miss that word too.
I grew up in the 80s so it was just standard slang until I really thought about it.
I only use the term gay with my friends who are all gay. But usually only when things are so positive it's "gross". I think context matters though as with everything.
I used to play extreme music some 15 years ago and by God 80% of our humour was variations of calling each other f*gs. It's quite sad cause we didn't have an ounce of préjudice in us we were just wankers with dead end jobs and shit guitars. We met up with the boys a couple months ago and reminisced there was a lot of cringing...
Racism.
While I was never into it myself thankfully, I let it pass a lot in my family. Being in university changed that though, it just feels too uncomfortable to have my family say racist shit in front of me while I have so many people of color as friends. I still struggle to call out their transphobia though but that is due to my own identity issues.
In my early life I was raised in Kansas fundie hell. I graduated to 4chan. To call me racist would have been an understatement; "proud white supremacist", more like. (LOL I used the term "race nationalist" then)
Perhaps my proudest personal achievement has been unraveling that disgusting tapestry of who I was.
Good on ya.
Something rather cringe and obnoxious in hindsight was the over use of the word "ocd" It was quite common in media and in my circles for somebody to say "I'm so ocd" when referring to some perfectly normal thing they do like tidying bookcases and organising things.
It's pretty cringy now and I'd never say it now. I feel bad for saying it... but hey personal growth I guess. I was in school/college at the time too so it was a long time ago. There were a lot of things that were common at school that I used to say that are definitely not pc nowadays and I accept that. I don't pretend to be a perfect and morally righteous invidual. I have flaws as much as the next person
People still throw OCD around like they're the world's quirkiest person "oh that's just my OCD lol"
Holy shit, thank you for bringing this one up. I'm not OCD, but I care a lot about mental health and neurodiversity (two things I deal with a lot). I sometimes rant about the misuse of "OCD" at random. And people still misuse it a lot.
Grew up in the 80s and 90s. As progressive and openminded as I thought I was then...holy shit there are a lot of words and phrases I won't touch any more because they sound archaic, racist, mysoginistic, or hateful today. Back then they were perfectly acceptable everyday things no one would bat an eye at. It does make me happy that at least in this small arena we seem to have made progress as a society.
(Should add that this is from a US perspective)
I was rewatching some Buffy the vampire Slayer and Buffy asks herself if she's "mentally challenged" in the second episode.
It's kind of crazy to me how I didn't bat an eye at that just 10 years ago when I was watching the show in high school.
Society and language evolve at a truly spectacular rate
If we could just stop regressives from taking us back every time we think we've moved forward.
Nothing. Everything is still funny in the right or wrong context.
I basically agree. It's great that we've acknowledged that a lot of things shouldn't be said so casually, but there has also been an over-correction. I'm not going to call people/things "retarded" like I did at 13 years old in 1999, for examlple, but if you're getting butthurt that I wrote the word instead of "the r-word" for an example, you need to calm down.
Have you found that you've changed the context you find appropriate or has that also stayed the same over time?
I worked with someone who takes care of their older brother.
I don’t use the word “ret*rd” as a dig at someone anymore.
I honestly never used it as anything but playful banter but that word invokes a lot more meaning than I ever intended.
I know that now.
I worked for years with developmentally disabled adults. Saying that word even once was automatic termination.
The word does have medical/mechanical relevance but is so offensive nowadays that it's worth not using it at all.
smoking. growing up in the 80s, everyone was smoking - in bars, restaurants, airplanes, even hospitals.
everyone I knew, their parents smoked tobacco or chewed tobacco. I started smoking myself, around 16 or so, as did all of my friends & even people I didn't associate with. it was just part of the culture - and yes, I was aware at the time that it was a dangerous activity, but kids are stupid.
and then around 15 years ago or so everyone stopped or switched to vaping. now I really only see homeless people smoking. it's quite the culture shift.
I live in Germany. A fourth of men smoke. They started prohibiting smoking in public places and restaurants at some point and then stopped for some reason. The neighbour below me smokes like a chimney on his balcony and the smoke goes right through my windows. It's 37C during the day and I can't air my apartment out at night. It's disgusting.
My neighbours have protruding balcony, just beside my living room window. I swear there must be some chimney effect taking place when they smoke, because it seems like all the smell is sucked right into my living room.
Come to the Midwest. A crazy number of people smoke here, like straight up cancer sticks smoke. I moved here from Florida, where I felt like you: was a low class thing of the past. In Missouri the booze is cheap and the tobacco plentiful. It's wild.
I feel like the more depressed the economy, the greater the chance that a particular place is a antiquated blast from the past. Years and years ago (2000s) my friends and I took a local road trip to Ford City outside of Pittsburgh. When we got there, there were street lights on, there was a neoclassical town hall building, but not a single car on the road or person on the streets besides us. We went into a bar, and there was NOTHING to indicate that we were in the year 200X. The bar was a time capsule from the early 80s. The TV was old and was playing old reruns, the decor was various shades of brown, yellow marbled glass lights above a pool table. A BUCKET of beer bottles cost $1 and a burger and fries cost $1. It was utterly surreal being in this place - it was the closest thing to a Twilight Zone experience I've ever had.
Definitely depends on the crowd nowadays. I personally see about a 50/50 split between smoking vs vaping among people in the restaurant industry, and those of us who don't do either are definitely the minority. Hopefully tabacco/nicotine products will stop being socially acceptable someday, but I can't imagine it's going to be any time soon with how popular vaping is.
For a brief period in elementary school I used to think that's it's okay to litter - and not by example of my parents (they're fine) but rather because everyone else was doing it.
I'm not proud that I was doing it, but I'm glad that I quickly grew out of it - so much that it now makes my blood boil seeing someone on the street littering (almost to the point of me wanting to slap them across the face).
Misogyny in books. I was reading a Morse book. He described the woman of a couple from dyed hair to hammer toes but had no physical description of her husband whatsoever.
Thats the case in all the crime novels. The woman gets decribed in so much detail that its practically an erotica and the guy is described as having a Y chromosome.
No one cares how the female looks, my dear authors, just move on ahead with the story!
People still are like that in most countries and it's changing far too slowly. Or in the case of Japan, not at all? I don't live in Japan.
I never realized how frequently I called things “lame” until I said it in front of a coworker paralyzed from a motorcycle accident. Hopefully he understood, but it just took that one glance telling me he heard it for me to stop. To try to stop.
But being lame sucks. That's the point. Someone who is paralysed isn't going to say it doesn't.
Being gay doesn't suck so it should not be used to describe something that does.
Just gonna stop in to say that 'sucks' in your usage is gay/misogynist slur meaning 'sucks dick.'
Come on. Is that really a problem now? I get not calling people gay as an insult. But lame? I don't even think of handicapped people at all when I hear that word.
I don’t even think of handicapped people at all when I hear that word.
When people talk about 'privilege,' this is what they mean. When you really stop to think about it, a huge amount of our casual insults/denigrations come down to slurs on anthropomorphized objects. If you believe that propagating such language is hurtful to the people the slur represents, you can make yourself crazy thinking about all the synonyms for 'bad.'
Is it really awful? Who knows...probably depends on the degree, but one can imagine that someone actually living with whatever deviation, someone who spends their life with awareness that their 'lameness' means they will never be the Adonis- or Venus-like advertising model, might become hypersensitive to those words. I'm not saying that we need to shun people who use 'sucks [dick]' or 'lame' instead of 'bad,' but I appreciate the people who make that effort.
It's kind of the bring-your-own-bag approach to inclusivity. Using your own bag at the grocery store isn't going to influence climate change; stopping slur-based judgements isn't going to end discrimination; but they're things an individual can do to feel a little better.
I still use "lame" to this day. What should I be saying instead?
The issue isn't "lame", afaik there's nothing wrong with the word. The issue is that OP used it so often that he said it everywhere.
Your motocycle accident? Lame.
Other (made up) examples:
Your grandma died? Lame.
You got a promotion? Lame
The biggest issue with a lot of the insults/slurs around mental or physical handicaps is the euphemism treadmill:
- You create a respectful word to describe people with that handicap
- People use that word as an insult
- Goto start
Case in point, retard and lame used to be official, non-insult words used by doctors. I don't know a solution, but as a person with a mental handicap, I feel like there's more important battles to fight. The intent behind the word, for example.
100% with you. If I say 'It's lame you're getting less money' or 'The prices for housing are getting to a retarded level' it definitely hasn't the same vibe as if I say 'Die, you lame fucking retard.'
I'm just gonna go back to calling everything gay and retarded now because my substitute word "lame" is now unacceptable.
Some of us never stopped! Join us. Soon the cycle will complete and those words will once again be acceptable, just like what happened with idiot and moron and savant.
Putting people down and using ableism as the punchline in a joke/retort/comment
I played Modern Warfare 2 at 16. That's all I need to say. Not proud of my early internet years
I know it's controversial, but moving away from "guys" when I address a group and more or less defaulting to "they" when referring to people I don't know.
They was practical, because I deal with so many students exclusively via email, and the majority of them have foreign names where I'd never be able to place a gender anyways if they didn't state pronouns.
Switching away from guys was natural, but I'm in a very male dominated field and I'd heard from women students in my undergrad that they did feel just a bit excluded in a class setting (not as much social settings) when the professor addresses a room of 120 men and 5 women with "Guys", so it just more or less fell to the side in favour of folks/everyone.
I use "guys" even when address a group of women. I feel it's basically become a gender neutral term.
I certainly used to, and used to think it was essentially gender neutral, but again - in certain contexts like a male dominated classroom, the women/nb students could easily feel excluded by it. Outside of that, I also recognized my trans friends had a lot of thoughtless people intentionally misgendering them on the regular just to be mean, and finding small ways to reduce that reinforcement felt better than not. It was also surprisingly not that tough for me to adopt the more neutral language, so if it's a subtle help with no skin off my back it just seems very win-win.
Despite how country/southern y'all comes across it really is the most inclusive and rolls off the tongue like nothing else
I argue this as well. I think things turning gender-neutral is more progressive than them being cut, unless I'm missing something. I got kicked out of a progressive community (that I really wanted to stay in) partially because they disagreed with me on that opinion (along with the word "dude" as an interjection) and wanted everyone in lock-step. I will never forgive them.
I also think "guys" and "dude" have a level of informality and nuanced humor that doesn't have an easy substitute.
I'm in the process of making this switch. I'm a transplant in the US south and I've always been a bit averse to y'all because it feels too southern, but I think that's the one I'm going with. It's the best fit I've found. And I've noticed it getting more popular elsewhere in the world, and there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
Non-binary folks thank you for this as well. 👍
"Y'all" is an excellent alternative 🤠
I feel your pain there. I made the switch during the pandemic thanks to my lectures all being recorded. Hearing myself start every single class with "Okay guys let's get started" was just so cringey that I had to do something.
I'm not as naive. There usually is no simple solution to complex problems and when someone suggest one it's almost always wrong by definition. It's a messy world and sometimes the right thing to do sounds counter-intuitive
This is a good one. Any political opinion I see starting with "if we just..." or "why don't they just..." I pretty much immediately disregard. If it were that simple, the problem would have already been solved.
I still think we should try our best!
Sure but let's try to find solutions that actually work instead of just doing something because it feels good
Quite a few. I grew up in a conservative, racist family. It took me a long time to unwind the problematic casual phrases I grew up with. I'm not proud of it, and I occasionally cringe looking backwards. I realize now the tremendous weight and damage those phrases could do. Now I just try to be better day by day, and to make sure I don't perpetuate those damaging habits in my own children.
I used to slip in to a bit where I was sarcastically a character that took on beliefs basically the exact opposite of my own. I would make sexist or lightly racist (stereotype) jokes that I didn't actually believe but thought were funny. The jokes were ofter at the expense of myself or people like me but involved bringing up other races, sexes, and ethnicities.
I made an effort to stop doing this for a couple reasons. The first being that idk if I'm really good or really bad at sarcasm but a lot of people just wouldn't get my joke and I was afraid people actually believed that was who I was.
Secondly, I had a kid. I realized that she parrots everything I say and do, and she wouldn't understand the layers of the joke and could potentially become what I was making fun of.
I listen to a lot of comedians in podcast and I envy their ability to slip in and out of bits with other comedians knowing they all get it, but for now I make an effort to end that bit.
I think doing those things when it's clear, is fine. As a queer person, when I catch my friends (usually inadvertently) say something queerphobic, I'll lean it and switch it to be critical of the cishet equivalent.
I think when it's clear, and when it's being used for a good reason, then there's no issue. You make a very good point about your child though. They don't usually get the nuances that an adult should.
I remember as a teen in the 90s in high school, doing a fake gay voice was considered funny and nobody thought twice about it. Even if the person wasn't actually targeting anyone LGBTQ+ specifically, just doing the voice seemed to insinuate the somebody was less than masculine. Like, Oh, the water isn't cold enough for you, let me repeat that request back in a gay voice to make fun of you.
I'm pretty sure if I even tried doing a fake gay voice at work now I would probably be shit-canned pretty quickly, which in a way goes to show how far society has come in not tolerating what would've just been crude humor in earlier times. I know the LGBTQ+ community has worked for decades to get to where they're at today, but it still feels kind of crazy how quickly society changed.
Depends on the situation. In the corporate world I watch everything I say. When alone or with friends, not very much.
Don't beat yourself up too much for the behaviours and humor of your past. Times change, people grow. Sometimes a behaviour sticks, and thats ok too. We are still human.
"Rule of thumb" I quit using this one after learning that it referred to a rule where you could legally beat your wife with a switch no wider than your thumb.
"Getting gyped" Learned this one is about associating gypsies with getting screwed over, so people started saying they got gyped because something bad happened.
Stuff I thought was completely innocuous but turns out has really bad connotations, so I dropped them.
I respect your intuition to drop problematic phrases but you may have been lead astray on "rule of thumb" by a very common rumour (Wikipedia calls it 'modern folk etymology') that that is where it originated.
In fact no law ever existed and it was more used in trades as thumbs were an easy mode of measurement available to anyone (similar to the use of feet to measure!)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb
The Wikipedia article even explains the "switch" rumour and provides some backstory and explanation to it.
So don't feel weird using Rule of Thumb; it has more to do with carpentry than anything else.
never heard of that, really neat
Getting gyped” Learned this one is about associating gypsies with getting screwed over, so people started saying they got gyped because something bad happened.
This one is hard for me because my first wife's biological dad was from a family of ... and I can't even say it. My wife used to say "gypsy," and her family all said gypsies, but I can't say "Romani" either because they weren't technically Romani. The family came from Europe via South America and are a large isolated family up and down the US eastern coast. Most of the rulers of this family clan are wanted by the FBI, and they are involved in everything from penny bunko scams to psychic parlors to carnivals and crooked contracting companies. My late wife's family have been on a lot of TV shows since the 1970s, including 60 minutes and several specials on cable TV channels like Discovery. Everyone called them gypsies.
My wife died before the term "gypsy" started to be recognized as a slur, and I am curious how she would have handled it, because people used to ask her, "Oh Romani?" "No." "Irish Traveler?" "No, they are the Ristick/Ely clan." "... what?" But let me tell you, that family was very weird. Some of them still lived in vardas but most were circulating through private residences in common suburban neighborhoods. They were real hard to catch and pin down because almost all the top family members had multiple aliases, moved around a lot, and even my wife's dad had several marriages, and claimed the kids on his taxes for decades, even if they were in their 30s (which is a problem my wife had to deal with, like having to tell the IRS, "No, I am 33 and married, I not 8 living with my dad in eastern Ohio."). They have a very specific philosophy about their family as "chosen people" who were, as one story goes, forgiven by God because they stole one of the nails from the cross used to crucify Jesus. They don't even consider what they do fraud or stealing any more than you or I would think a monkey owns a camera. I was married to her for 25 years, and heard all sorts of stories about that family, and why my mother-in-law ended up leaving.
I did a Google search on the Ristick family and saw a comment you made on Ars Technica Forums, back when you were Punk Walrus and your wife was alive. (At least given the similarity to username and background, I think it's you.) My condolences on your wife. Did her death bring her father's side of the family back into the picture at all? And did she end up writing the book everyone wants to read about the situation? They sound like a fascinating, but exhausting family. I'd think you'd need a robust journalism team to conduct all those interviews.
Man what the fuck, "rule of thumb" sounded like the most innocuous and random shit, why must you do this to me.
Take a look at the Wikipedia page. It really is innocuous, it actually originated as a form of measurement like feet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb
The top comment is using false etymology that was propagated in the 1970s.
Never knew that about "rule of thumb". Personally, I think some expressions like that are so far removed from their original meaning that they really are innocuous for all practical purposes, but I see your point.
(Hard agree on "gyped" though LOL)
The rule of thumb thing is a myth. It's not true.
The rule of thumb thing has zero evidence that it is true, and much evidence it is a baseless myth.
For fucks sake this shit drives me crazy, you people stop using common words or terms for reasons that aren't even true!
I hope you learn from this that you shouldn't just blindly believe whatever stupid shit you hear so you can virtue signal.
Jokes built on racist stereotypes. Used to be just another part of my family's collection of jokes, but now I don't see the humor in those
I automatically reject any arguments based on the "human nature". We know jack shit about our nature.
I reject any argument based on something supposedly being natural. Who draws the line? And nature is a bitch anyway.
I will argue that it is human nature to lie. Dismissing that would be folly.
Anybody that simply dismiss's an argument with valid standing is not worth talking to.
Anybody that simply asserts their statement to be true, is not worth talking to.
Historically, there have been countless statements about the human nature proved wrong. Some of them were even used to support the most harmful idealogies like sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia etc.
It's never about correctness, science knows better than simply referring to human nature.
I agree! Too much justified with "human nature" when in reality it's a local cultural discourse and practice. However, I do think we can say some things about humans. Check out The Ethical Primate by Mary Midgley
Definitely adding it to my Todo list, thanks for the suggestion!!
And ideally, we have enough self-control enough to rise above the bad aspects of human nature
Accepting the ability of self-indentification is one of the few exceptions I would be willing to make.
I cannot support it logically, but I truly want to believe in it.
I've been trying to degender my language. I grew up saying "thank you (or excuse me, yes/no, etc) sir/ma'am" and then being in customer facing positions for years just absolutely cemented that in my mind to the point where it is an absolute knee jerk reaction to make assumptions about the gender of others. It's an awful habit and makes me cringe every time I do it. I try to either just avoid the gender identifier ("thank you.") which to my mind sounds impolite, or use gender neutral terms like "friend" which REALLY sound impolite. It's tough but I'm working on it! The real trouble is getting my brain to stop gendering others and as a quite elderly millenial who actually identifies as Agender it is an annoying and difficult task. I'm envious of younger folks who won't grow up with these kinds of ideas as a default.
Go with "Thank you, customer"
Really push the dystopia with dead eyes and big smile as you do it.
Very fortunately, I now work from home in a job with basically zero interaction with anyone at all (it's great) so this mostly applies to casual social interactions at say, a grocery store. I have to say though, using your suggestion in this context is actually hilarious and would be super gratifying.
In my last job (which was on a team of all cis women), people shared their pronouns...both singular AND plural (i.e., how they wanted to be referred to in a group). Which is pretty bizarre. Like, what if one person's plural pronoun is "folks" and another's is "friends"...then which term are you supposed to use?
And I came to hate saying "friends" because we weren't friends. It was a soul-sucking corporate gig, and I wasn't part of their mom squad...I never saw them outside of work, and I was always the last to learn about team changes, so let's be real: we aren't friends, we're coworkers. It got creepy being expected to smile and address everyone as "friends"!
FWIW, I have nothing against folks or guys or y'all ;)
This is what bugs me about chosen pronouns, it's like a right someone has to tell other people how to use language, that can get complicated and needs memorization. People should have leeway on the words they use, even if they shouldn't be making unwanted assertions about other peoples gender. Would be better to just have a set of genderless pronouns that are always polite/safe to use.
I'm not British but I just say "cheers mate" to everyone. Works for me.
Interesting that this sir/ma'am thing is very location-dependent. I've been living in Scotland more more than a decade now and I probably heard someone address me as "sir" a grand total of twice. I remember because it always felt so jarring, like why was this random shop assistant speaking to me so subserviently O.o
But I heard in some places (USA?) it's very commonplace.
“Thank you friend” is impolite? Maybe it’s informal, but I think that’s a great solution to the problem. I can’t imagine anyone having a problem with that except maybe an aggro asshole.
Fair enough! I do use it pretty frequently. I would really like it if someone said that to me, so maybe it isn't as impolite as I perceive it. Thanks.
You know we've gone too far when people feel bad for saying thank you sir/mam...
I agree.
This world is going to hell in a wokebasket if people start thinking about what comes out their fucking mouth.
/s, cos you never fuckin know nowadays.
They don't feel bad for using those terms, they feel bad about using them on someone incorrectly. There's nuance here that is lost on those who struggle to grasp the difference and phrasing things as if we're being forced to stop using them or "delete them from our vocabulary" is counterproductive.
I don't think it is univerally okay to make assumptions about someone's personal identity before you know it. I am happy calling someone sir or ma'am after I know their gender identity. But in a casual interaction between strangers, there is no need for it at all and it is just an ingrained and outdated social convention that I personally am striving to move past.
I like the Battlestar Galactica solution to this: sir should not be gendered. It should just be a term of respect and maybe authority. It's gendered more out of convention than definition. I don't know how we reach that point, but that's my reference. I think it basically has to start with the military. They should stop using ma'am for women and use sir.
I really like this take and love it when I come across it in media.
I feel like we made many terms much more gendered than they were before. If I'm hanging with a mixed group and I say "hey guys" towards the whole group "guys" is being used as a genderless, inclusive term.
I personally feel that in everyday casual conversation we should focus on the intent of what's spoken and not get into the minutia of the terminology. Sir/ma'am are terms of respect and the underlying message behind them is respect. If a person accidentally misgendered someone while using them, it doesn't negate the intended respect.
For starters I don't listen to the band The Mentors anymore. Also I quit watching gory videos long ago and recently quit watching anything that gets me emotionally charged. So much on the internet serves no constructive purpose, it just riles up emotions. We've all heard "you are what you eat", the same goes for what you put in your eyes and ears
I'm happy for your realisation, OP!
For me it was homophobic and ableist slurs as general words for "bad". It's very common in my native society, so after I started learning more about social justice issues, it took a few years to wean myself off.
Also, looking back, I realise now that in middle school I was lowkey cruel to some classmates, manipulated them for my own amusement. I was never one to bully others, but I was often a bystander entertained by others being bullied. (Even though I was being bullied myself by the same people on other occasions. But I somehow never made that connection with their other victims, I guess my empathy wasn't fully developed back then. Or maybe it was a mental self-defence mechanism, idk.)
I was a huge Taylor Swift fan until she knowingly started dating a racist, sexist dirtbag. Dating someone with such views means you excuse those views. I was and am not willing to financially support someone with those views.
I also used to fly a whole lot. Probably once or twice a month on average. I developed a bad conscious about it and just stopped. I allow myself to fly if I absolutely have to (has happened twice so far), but otherwise I only travel by train or bus. My vacation destinations have changed quite a bit, to say the least.
I wish there were destinations for me to go to by train...
And people still say she's "politically neutral"? BS.
That’s where you drew the line? Not the fact that she capitalises off of LGBT+ and Black culture but stays silent regarding issues those communities face, despite her massive audience and the influence she has over them. Or the fact that she literally flies constantly, which is awful for the environment, but also rents out her jet when she’s not using it.
I don't expect any celebrities to be active voices for causes I believe in or hold dear for me to enjoy / consume their work. I never paid attention to anything she did apart from her music. If I hadn't been on Reddit I probably wouldn't even have learned about the whole ordeal which lead me to stop listening to her.
She's a billionaire American. She and I have nothing in common. She wrote lyrics I connected with, with beats I could enjoy.
As a child, I kind of was pretty greedy and "bullied" my father for most of the time trying to buy the cheaper variants of food or clothing. Now that I know how hard it is to earn money, I really, really feel ashamed of myself for doing that bullshit. I must've put a good amount of stress on my father. I will repay him for all his hard work for me when I get a good paying job in the future. Love you dad!
Call him up and tell him! I'm sure he'd appreciate it.
Calling everyone "man", "bro", "you guys"
I still do this in the most gender neutral way possible, is this no longer kosher?
Nah it’s fine, you’re fine.
Some might disagree, but IMO it’s actually a show of respect and inclusion. In Star Trek they call all senior officers Sir, regardless of gender. Love it.
What's wrong with that?
I started addressing people online with "Girls" and some completely lost their shit and got incredibly angry. I kinda think different now about addressing whole groups as "Boys".
I realized that the fact people think "Boys" is neutral and cool but "Girls" is basically an insult is a problem. And I don't want to take part in keeping it alive.
A lot of FLINTA people don't like it. It can be especially upsetting to AMAB people who don't identify as male. It's not the same, but it's similar to things like the n-word, or the f-slur. If someone chooses to use the word about themselves, that's one thing, but if they don't, there's a very good chance you'd upset them.
When I was in middle school a friend of mine used to dress up and call herself a gypsy. Due to where we live, we didn't know that word was tied to a real life culture. We thought it meant fantasy-like hippies.
Years later I found out the actual meaning behind it and freaked out. Sadly I wasn't still in contact with her by that time, or I would've told her. Though her parents would've complained about it...
The full word "gypsy" is not a common pejorative in the US any more (if it ever was) -- if anything, I would argue that as a descriptor, it means someone is a free spirit, that lives a non-normative, romanticized life. That said, it's clear that the US inherited pejorative descriptors from somewhere because "to gyp" is to rip off someone. That said, I wonder if the US adopted "to gyp" as a toned down version of "to jew" after casual anti-semitism rightfully became unacceptable in the public sphere in the 20th century. If so, the lack of a sizeable Roma population in the US probably made "gyp" seem like a suitable alternative to a society that accepts "othering" in the mainstream.
In the US it has more of the fantasy trappings associated with it due to alot of pop culture stuff that we see, we just have this romantic notion of gypsies from Dracula and the Wolfman. In Europe though, I feel like even the most progressive European will instantly turn pretty negative when talking about gypsies in their own countries, I've never seen a European have anything good to say about Roma. Otherwise my only experience with them is listening to the band Gogol Bordello and that's about it.
Making/laughing at jokes surrounding events like 9/11 and the titanic. Out of morbid curiosity, I know far too much about either of them now, they are no longer statistics, and contemplating both genuinely turns my stomach.
There is at least one pretty graphic recording of a phone call from a 9/11 victim trapped on the higher floors, the operator kept trying to reassure her, and it was obvious she knew they were lying. I can't anymore. I've deliberately traumatized myself listening to it, and I've lost my taste for that shit.
But, you know. "If we don't crack jokes, it gets too heavy." Ha-ha, holocaust /s
Some children Songs I could never sing vor hear again, they make me cringe a lot (racism, sexism, ...)
As I've gotten older (65M), I find that I have grown less hurried and hasty to judge.
Hurrying and rushing really doesn't help me to do anything faster or better, so why bother?
You do need to be able to quickly judge and assess people and situations in many settings and for a variety of reasons. That being said, I find that judging people prematurely can fail to appreciate their extenuating or particular circumstances. Everyone's got their own lives, problems and situations. For that matter, everyone can just have a crappy day. Doesn't mean you have to take crap from people, just helps to give the benefit of the doubt where and when feasible.
"if I were you". When I was younger I lack the ability really consider others' situation and put myself in their shoes. Not because I thought I'm better than them but thought I see a better way. I don't exactly remember when I stopped using it but I'm pretty sure it's around when I realized I would beat the shit out of me if I was my own child.
The same as OP
Same. So glad I grew out of that edgy phase.
I used to eat meat. Don't anymore because the arguments against it are just that fucking strong. Basically unless you advocate for religious supremacy it's hard to make a cohesive argument in favor of meat consumption.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I try to replace meat with plant based products when possible. I also avoid leather. In modern times I've discovered so many negative things about it. The main thing is livestock farming uses literally ten times more resources and creates ten times more pollution than crop farming. Also the the industrial farming of livestock is amazingly cruel.
bUt bACoN tAStE GuD
you have to take vitamin supplements on a fully vegetarian diet though - there are some nutrients that you just can't get from eating 2k-calories of plants a day.
children also shouldn't be forced into a plant based diet, it's not good for them, they won't develop properly - as an example, look at your average North Korean.
Everything you just said is wrong. Name these mystery nutrients. The only supplements vegans take are B-12 and D.
Vegans have better B-12 levels than the general population, who are significantly deficient, despite all the meat they shove down their throats. Everyone should be taking B-12 supplements. That's how it gets into the meat in the first place. Livestock don't produce B-12 either! Just grow up and take the pill instead of wrapping it in the flesh of an intelligent creature that at one time had the capacity to love you before you murdered it.
Have you ever bothered to check your D level? Most people who require D supplements are not vegans!
Along with your claims about children and North Korea (for some reason) it's clear that you're not talking from any kind of informed position, but you're just saying things that give you a psychological reward for saying them. It's a defense mechanism. This sort of behaviour is predicted by the theory of carnism.
I'm mostly succeeding now at not calling another driver "he" by default. I don't know who they are, and can call them something better, as I just did.
I am so envious of anyone who can do that in their language. It would be so much easier...
"You got gypped"
Always just thought it was the same as being "ripped off" or getting a bad deal. Only in recent years realised that it was in reference to be swindled by a gypsy. I still wondered if the term gypsy was more to do with the lifestyle of the person, like a nomad, and not actually racist but no, gypsies origins are as Romani people. Have since stopped using the term.
Urban Dictionary has a bet each way as to if it is/was racist gypped/gyp't but best not to use it I thinkTubular.
I've never encountered anything I would describe as "tubular." Except maybe tubes. It just doesn't feel right as general slang.
A bitchin' waterslide is tubular.
Haha, I grew up on the California coast and surfed a lot in my youth. The only slang from that era I still use is "bitchen" and I say it as an anachronism, like "groovy".
Sometimes I say "bitchen camero" in reference to a car I like. That's from a song that stuck in my memory. Comes from a punk garage band in the early 90's; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxKt_Wc0m1g
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How do you feel about "hella?" I find it hilarious how some people in the southern cities absolutely hate it for some reason. But I was born in the Bay Area and grew up in the Central Valley. Felt like we got all the slang from the whole state. I also always latched onto that stereotypical surfer brah stuff. Everyone made fun of it, but I thought it was the coolest. Even the "get pitted, bro, so pitted" guy sounds super cool to me lol
Not even certain kinds of bells?
Oh god people used to play an hour long version of Tubular Bells in my school's dining hall
Whenever I start saying "Easy Peasey..." there's always a slightly too long pause before I say "... lemon squeezey "
Can't think of too many, quite honestly. I don't buy into most of the bullshit these days. Moving the goalpost all the time doesn't change the underlying issues and yet that is all most people want to do - make a meaningless gesture to make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside even though nothing has changed.
Christianity.
Saying "I feel retarded"
Apple products. When it started to take away the ability to tune the noise cancellation feature on airpod pro, I decided that's it. You can nerf it to say its for the best interest for everyone. But I'm the consumer who paid full price who asked for the feature that was to isolate the noise, not a fucking compromised NC because you say so. You can at least have the decency to let me tune it myself, but no, Apple decides whats best. So fuck it.
One of my standard jokes pre-covid was that "well, you know, I've got politics. like a disease".
I used to bother people about sexist humor. Turns out most of the time they just have bad humor or are following whatever was funny back when they watched TV. I don't do that anymore. It's not worth my time and it can easily turn a well meaning person into an upset and confused person. I just come up with a good and funny comeback and throw it into their face.
The country where I live had a score of 83.9/100 on the gender equality index, and I'm F29.
Chris cross is either going to make you some applesauce or make you jump jump.