Taylor Swift launches legal broadside at a college student who tracks private jets via public data
Taylor Swift launches legal broadside at a college student who tracks private jets via public data
When it comes to dealing with a Florida college student who uses public data and social media to track the private jets of billionaires, politicians and other celebrities, Taylor Swift apparently can’t just shake it off.
In late December, Swift’s camp hit Jack Sweeney, a junior studying information technology at the University of Central Florida, with a cease-and-desist letter that blamed his automated tracking of her private jet for tipping off stalkers as to her location. In the letter, attorneys from the law firm Venable accused Sweeney of effectively providing “individuals intent on harming her, or with nefarious or violent intentions, a roadmap to carry out their plans.”
Sweeney provided the link to that letter in an email to the Associated Press. In that message, he emphasized that while he has never intended to cause harm, he also believes strongly in the importance of transparency and public information.
“One should reasonably expect that their jet will be tracked, whether or not I’m the one doing it, as it is public information after all,” he wrote.
A spokesperson for Swift echoed the legal complaint, saying that “the timing of stalkers” suggests a connection to Sweeney’s flight-tracking sites. The spokesperson did not respond to questions seeking elaboration of that charge, such as whether stalkers have been seen waiting for Swift at the airport when her plane arrived or, alternatively, if there is evidence that stalkers have somehow inferred Swift’s subsequent location from the arrival time of her flight.
The legal letter likewise accuses Sweeney of “disregarding the personal safety of others”; “willful and repeated harassment of our client”; and “intentional, offensive, and outrageous conduct and consistent violations of our client’s privacy.”
Such statements are difficult to square with the fact that Sweeney’s automated tracking accounts merely repackage public data provided by the Federal Aviation Administration, a government agency. That fact did not dissuade the Venable attorneys, who demanded that Sweeney “immediately stop providing information about our client’s location to the public.”
I thought we went over this already? Public data is public.
Yes we did, with elon. He ended up banning the accounts on xitter, after saying he would not do so.
You can still find it on Mastodon though
I am also a bit lost as to why Swift would bring this suit. Most of her (work) trips are already public information, since being a public person is part of her job description. It’s a bit like the president complaining that we are tracking Airforce 1 when all news networks already report where he is going.
I think it's cause you look less relatable to the average poor who's spending $500 they can't really afford to go watch you sing.
She could be getting legitimate death threats from Republicans not happy about her politics, which if it's being published as a form of stochastic terrorism, there has been a legal limit on that as free speech.
Until someone trains an AI on it, then everyone loses their minds.
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Didn't Elon try something similar and lost in court? In case anyone is interested silicon jets tracks billionaires jets.
Edit: I confused silicone and silicon.
silicone
It’s silicon. Silicon is a naturally occurring chemical element, whereas silicone is a synthetic substance.
Silicon is for computer chips, silicone is for boobies.
Silicone is also really nice for cooking utensils!
now I'm thinking about jet shaped boobies
silicone jets
Minor spelling mistake, but I wouldn't be surprised to find some in those jets.
Yeah.... I mean at the end he got Twitter and I think he kick him out... that was an expensive way to handle it I guess....
I mean it probably is still tracked somewhere else and maybe there are other accounts doing it no idea.
Interesting how as soon as someone becomes a billionaire they become a dickhead, at least publicly.
I live under Iraq and this comment made me look up whether she's a billionaire. Guess that's why she's been in the news so much lately. Jesus. I wish the billionaire count was going down, not up.
I believe the opposite, you need to have dickhead qualities to become a billionaire
This 10000000 percent. You can't become that without being a horrible person. It entails having copious amounts of money than others could have instead.
This doesn’t seem like a dickheaded move to me. First, it was a C&D letter, which has no legal status, and second, the stalker thing is a legitimate concern, especially since the MAGA camp is all riled up about her.
But like, shouldn't she be taking it up with the FAA then? I'm sure you can apply for delay or exemption in extraordinary situations like this one undoubtedly is?
That is the source of the data after all. If you don't actually stop the data source from publishing your data, others will continue to use it.
It's a dumb approach that makes it look like a hurt ego thing rather than a legitimate concern.
The data comes from the FAA. It's public data. All this guy has done is put an interface on it. Unless Swift's legal team can prove that each individual stalker used an interface hosted by this guy I don't see how he can be thought of as responsible for anything. And even if they did use an interface hosted by him, he's still not doing anything other than showing public data. Data that the FAA clearly believe is in a legitimate public interest to make public. If she's got an issue with that, they're the people to go after.
Did you make the same noise when musk did it?
Another point goes to the Streisand Effect.
Considering the amount of MAGA creeps around, I'd reserve judgement on that. She must get 10 credible death threats a day.
Well here's a wild idea, why not ride on a normal god damn plane like 90% of every other person who flies. Boom, can't be traced by some kid then AND its better by a wide range for the environment. Nothing to see here but rich people problems lol
90%? More like 99.99% right?
You ever heard of the curse of being famous? Imagine everyone took a love potion and everyone knows your face. Everyone around you is staring at you and attempts to speak to you, touch you, they might even actually worship the ground you walk on. Not only those that love them are around, but those that want to do harm. Cut her hair and sell it, harm her to boast about it. Who knows?
That's a fucking hell I'd not want to live. That is why they don't fly normal. There's a reason that high profile celebrities don't fly with the rest. It's not necessarily a status thing, but a safety thing. There's a reason the president has secret service and a private jet.
You ever heard of the curse of being famous?
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Sorry, but this isn't a reasonable take. Someone like Taylor Swift cannot go into the public without it being a huge security risk. This isn't a TS thing, this is a "being the most famous person ever right this moment" thing.
Okay but she's actively choosing to be that famous. She spent 6 years with Joe living a quiet low key life, but she decided to do another breakout into more fame and this is the cost. Plus she could charter jets like other celebrities, or idk just not fly home every weekend from halfway across the world?
She could just rent a different jet each time. Would still pollute, wouldn't stress out a college kid, would be more difficult for stalkers to track, wouldn't have drawn as much attention.
And thousands of MAGA maniacs now thinking she is some villain. I bet she's getting tons of death threats now. First AI porn, then conspiracy nutjobs on FOX news, then everybody is projecting the worlds failure to act on climate change on her (brilliant piece of fox news propaganda I must say now), and now this. It's really not her week lol.
Maybe she should buy twitter and ban the guy, or is this the wrong billionaire I am thinking of?
The guy is on Mastodon, tough luck on that one.
Buy the federated instance!
I's she also going to sue Ticketmaster and her own PR team for publicly releasing every city she's going to in her tours?
No but she will sue anyone who repeats it
I hereby sure myself for publishing information about my location in my Instagram posts. Continued posting clearly shows a blatant disregard of my safety and feelings.
Yeeeeah... I understand her not wanting it to be easier for stalkers to track her, but also private jets are a luxury that's very bad for the environment, and the information is public anyway. Swift shouldn't win this one.
Stalkers already can access this information. Also I'm expected to believe they get this information and somehow arrive at her destination before her?
Publicly available information from the FAA. Simple as.
Both of her planes are blocked at the vendor level, which means they don't show up on the ASDI feed from the FAA. Her flights are tracked by volunteers at places like flightaware who have their own ADS-B transceivers in their homes
I’m team Florida student.
It sounds tough being a billionaire. She should give it all up.
We'll take the clothes, cash, cars, and homes, just stop complainin
The stalker argument is absolute bullshit. A stalker would most likely not use the flight path of Swift's private jet as a means of stalking her; it would be too cumbersome. Additionally, this is not "willful and repeated harassment" of Swift since Mr. Sweeny, as stated in the title and the article, obtained the information from public data provided by FAA. The intent of Mr. Sweeny's tracking project was not to expose Swift to nefarious individuals but to expose the environmental impact of her private jet. The rich and famous are public figures and, as such, are open to criticism from the public. This is merely a flex (and a futile one at that) by someone with the resources to silence critics.
Yeah and how many different ways would a stalker have to find a famous person. She goes to concerts and events all the time, the stalkers know where those places are.
Exactly!
Hey, Ms Swift...? I love some of your music and political opinions. But can you please go fuck yourself? Public = public. You have more privileges than most working people will ever earn in a lifetime, combined. And the climate emergency WE are all experiencing is irreversible...
Oh it's reversible all right... Earth will right the ship in its own time, after we're gone
That fully depends on your definition of what the "reversed" state is. Will ecosystems adapt to the changed climate? Yes. Can temperatures even drop again? Sure. But species lost are gone forever. Ecosystems destroyed will never be the same again. Different ones can develop with enough time and stopping the human interference... But that is hardly "reversible". That is... natural systems covering up the damage. Going on. Not reversing it.
Venus did not for example. Absolutely no reason why earth couldn't spiral out of control in the same way.
This is like trying to stop paparazzi... No legal grounds.
I bet swift could fly first class and get through the airport without being identified. But the convenience of a private jet is just too sweet.
Or even rent a private jet on demand.
It's because there's no commercial flights that go from concert halls in Japan to football fields in the US.
Edit: whoops this got misinterpreted. I'm agreeing she should take commercial fights, she doesn't because it's inconvenient for her. I'm not saying I agree with that.
She's concerned for her personal safety, but shouldn't I also be concerned for the risks she brings to me from her excessive co2 production?
Well, I had no opinion of her since I don't follow her entertainment. And I did not care about her. I thought sheust be not so bad to have such a following but now she publicly displayed she is as deranged and out of touch as the other billionaires out there. Thus I now have an opinion on her and it's not good.
Her music is not for me, but I've never had anything against her. I have grown to support her a little in the past year or so for taking shots at Ticketmaster. This jet thing offsets the Ticketmaster things plus some. My opinion of her is now at a net negative.
Hopefully she's not close to this personally, and she can call it off, but that sure doesn't seem likely.
but now she publicly displayed she is as deranged and out of touch as the other billionaires out there
Well you said you didn't follow her at all so that might come as a minor surprise to you, but she's always been incredibly entitled and out of touch with normal people. Even before, but especially since she became a billionaire. She was one of the artists pulling her music from Spotify at one point, which is fine but she argued that her music has a certain value that she expects people to pay for, implying her music is too good for streaming or you know... poor people.
I don't think she has ever really been in touch with the average person. Her dad is a stock broker who could afford to fund her enough for her to get a big break. Nothing against her personally since she seems decent enough. But she also has a case of afluenza that we can help cure her of. She has alternatives: use a tour bus or charter a private plane.
Just buy three more jets and send them around all the time you dummie
Is this Jack Sweeney's tracker?
Which one is Taylor Swift's plane? Is it "Cosmic Girl?"
He has a much better site right here. It's awesome!!! https://globe.theairtraffic.com/
I'm literally here watching the planes on the map and listening to the noises as they pass by. What's wrong with this at all? It's like just tracking cars and the guy is doing nothing more than just relaying data.
A quick googling....Taylor Swift owns two multi-million dollar private jets: A Dassault Falcon 7x, registered N621MM under Island Jet Inc. And a Dassault Falcon 900, registered N898TS under SATA LLFC.
Hah! Look at this silly little guy getting all loopy off the coast of LA
This is way more fun than it should be.
My house is under the approach path to Boston Logan. Even though I’m over 30 miles from Logan, we can still hear planes if we’re outside and the winds are right for them to come in this way.
I have an app that shows me the exact position of any plane, where it came from, and where it’s going…though the destination isn’t always available for private and charter flights, a reasonable person could make a pretty good guess, well before landing, just going from changes in altitude and speed.
This is a free app. There’s a paid version that’s probably slightly less annoying and gives more tracking features. But even the free version…I click on a plane overhead, and I can see every flight it took in the past 7 days. The paid version bumps that up to upto a year.
Fantastic! The trump Jet! https://truthsocial.com/@TrumpJets
Oh that's a 747 for stratolaunch from Virgin Galactic. Would have been a cool TeTe plane name.
Have we ever seen Musk and Swift in the same place at the same time?
I'd love for this to go to court, the judge to tell Swift to fuck off, pay the defendants legal fees and a massive fee for a frivolous lawsuit wasting the courts time 🤞
Elon himself went after this same kid a year or two ago and lost. Doubt Taylor's team will do any better.
Excuse my ignorance, but if her legal team decided to sue him into the ground, there's virtually nothing he could do about it, right? There's no recourse to protect "the little guy" from being legally bullied? Would his best bet be to find someone willing to work pro bono with potential to countersue for damages?
Yes civil suits, if her pockets are deep enough she can sue and appeal and bury anyone and any lawyers that might defend him. She does run the risk for nonsense lawsuits that the defendant's lawyers can collect all attorney fees at the end of it, so a rich pest suing people might lose millions in their own lawyers fees plus pay for defendants attorneys.
But a small person puts a lot at risk and there is no reward (just not owing anything). So you might settle just to cut losses and remove whatever from Internet. If you are rich, you might settle and pay someone falsely accusing you just to limit losses to lawyers and also get case sealed and an NDA as part of settlement.
this shit is psychotic to me, why is this even a thing corpos/individuals are allowed to do?
Your options at that point are settle, immediately, do the nissan uzi strat, waste ten years of your life, and millions of dollars. Or just stop existing.
I guess there are some counters to this in court, but im guessing you're gonna have a hard time countering good lawyers with DEEP pockets behind them. Good luck finding someone to do a percent cut on that one.
What a bitch.
I like all the money, attention and being treated like god, but please don’t invade my privacy.
Well you can’t have one without the other, I’m not going to hold my breath for you giving up your fame tho.
It's not even an invasion of privacy. The flight info is public.
IT'S AN INVASION OF PUBLICY!
She can have privacy ... if she used public planes instead of a private jet.
So the legal complaint has no merit (even more so) if he just delays the feed by a day or two.
Maybe TayTay should ask the FAA to delay the data.
She also sold her jet which I'm guessing is related. She had a dessault falcon 900lx registered as N898TS but she very recently sold it to a company in Missouri.
I don't suppose it's to Swaylor Tift Aviation is it?
That would make it absolutely impossible to track and link to her.
Nope she has no use for it anymore. She's gonna buy a whole fucking new one because Travis Kelce is too tall for the old one.
But seriously though, can't they just register the jet under some conspicuous shit and dodge all of this? I mean, she may be the money of the operation but there has to be several levels of separation between her and operations. Pay a "transport company" that pays a "jet company" and make all the companies in between ambiguous and under different shell companies. Obviously this isn't possible or the billionaires would have done it. But it would seem there is a way to hide their jets just like they hide their money.
I don't think she is being a dick, as privacy is definitely important. But the tracking info is public knowledge, so you can't really stop people from tracking you. Your private jet flies in public airspace, and that's that.
"Waaahhhh people are tracking me in my private jet" she is 100% being a dick. Fly in a regular ass plane like normal people do and problem solved
Lol problem definitely not solved, that's making her even more public.
People would swarm her. She would probably cause a bunch of delays. She's literally too famous to justify flying commercial.
Edit: she's definitely complaining about someone simply relaying public information, but she can't sit down at a football game without people parking themselves outside the door to the suite she's in. There's no way she could just chill in the back of C group with the rest of us.
Nah. She is choosing to fly in a private jet. That data needs to be tracked and publicly available. She is free to take a tour bus. One of her flights is my CO2 emissions for the year. Certainly not as bad as Musk who regularly takes 15-20 mile flights but definitely something that needs to be cut down on.
Privacy is important, and transparency is important. It's public knowledge for a reason, and to try to take legal action against the people who use it is worse than just "being a dick."
In public, there is no expectation of privacy, least of all if you are a celebrity.
I think a nice compromise would be to have a time delay on the data, so that live data is not readily available, for example 4 hours delay maybe
If the FAA doesn't delay the data, why should anyone else?
I thought that data was already delayed by 15-20 minutes.
Seems like an excuse to stop people from drawing attention to her jet use. Easy solution would be to share the flight records only after she's left each location
Or, say, they should only share it once the information is already public. You know, the information that the FAA is already sharing?
You can pick up transponder signals yourself with a receiver.
The problem is more to do with ADSB I think. If I remember correctly, all aircraft in the US must have an ADSB transponder now. That info is broadcast for traffic awareness but also contains a ton of other info like speed, altitude, and most importantly the tail number. That signal can be picked up by anyone within range using very simple radio equipment, sites like ADSB Exhange do this and populate a map. So right now unless they want to rework the entire ADSB system, as long as you know the tail number, you can track anyone's aircraft live. Delaying this data would make the traffic avoidance impossible.
ADS-B is not required to be carried by all aircraft, but the requirements read like the Mode C Transponder requirements; it's legal to take your Cessna up for an hour's flight around Somewhere Regional Airport without one but it will prove necessary for aircraft engaged in basically any commercial operation.
Delaying the ADS-B system itself would render it useless, but it may be possible to delay any public-facing web display. Wouldn't stop any particularly interested party from buying an ADS-B In unit and receiving the signals directly though. Or building a radio receiver and decoder from scratch; ADS-B messages aren't encrypted, nor do they carry any authentication so...honestly the FAA probably doesn't want to encourage people to start fucking around with ADS-B hardware and would rather they just download aircraft position data from their web portal.
That would completely ruin the purpose of tracking airplanes.
You need up-to-date info to prevent mid air crashes.
Yeah like a time delay of let's say 4 hours.
fuck all other planes in the way amirite?
I'd say make it 4.2 hrs.
Way to kill all the goodwill you've been gaining Taylor
Not for all her fans... They're obsessive like the maga cult
This guy needs to be more worried about one of hers fans showing up to his house more than she needs to worry about stalkers getting to her.
Yeah, but the two cults started bumping heads after the conservatives got alarmed that she was encouraging her cult to vote. I personally went from neutral to thinking she was a good one, but now she's firmly in the "just another billionaire throwing her money into a legal attack because she is upset flying a private jet involves public information and someone is making it more accessible".
I wish people understand that if you have any public/online presence, pretty much you can get tracked, especially in this age where ordinary people can track someone from their fingertips (and devices), for example Elon's Jet which get tracked too using public data.
It feels like when someone use Facebook (or any big services), skipped EULA, and then complain that they're being tracked...
just my 2cent from average joe.
I'm telling you she's a proper cunt.
I didn't see it mentioned in the article so I'll just say it here:
Careful about assuming TW even knows about them. People with broad teams, and especially lawyers on hand, also sometimes find themselves with those teams acting on their own to the letter of their contract. You see it at times with legal teams of larger organizations. Not saying that's the case here, just wanted to remind everyone to not take things at face value nowadays as it's very easy to do.
then she should apologize and fire them lmao
Then she should put and end to this as soon as she becomes aware of it, or it's the exact same thing as doing it herself.
Well if you don't want your lawyers to do shit that puts you in a bad light, then you have to control them better. They literally only do what you tell them to do. So if you tell them to just deal with shit and don't bother you about it, then you shouldn't be surprised if it comes back to bite you in the ass. That's just PR 101!
I have no issue seeing this, based on her past behavior. Sometimes you get Lars Ulrich, or maybe it's her handlers, but she always seemed on board with that. Regardless of her other positions, whoever gives a fuck about those.
I have a legitimate question: why is this public information? Like.... I'm not taking sides either way, I just don't understand the reason that the current location of someone's private property (her jet) is considered public info. They location of someone's car or boat isn't publicly available.... So why a plane?
I understand that flight controllers need access to this info for logistics, but that's not really public. They also need access to air waves for communication and those are heavily regulated.
This system is called ADS-B. It's a peer to peer communication between airplanes where each plane will share its own data (flight level, speed, coordinates, flight number, etc.) and data from other planes by broadcasting it on same frequency as others. Result of this is that all the planes know where other nearby planes are located and their heading thus providing additional safety in avoiding collisions and other issues.
Data being broadcast in all directions means us on the ground can listen to them as well, which is what some sites are doing. Add internet to that mixture and we have a world coverage of every plane on the planet. You might wonder why data is not encrypted or something similar. There's nothing that can be abused about the data and all this tracking helps enormously with resolving incidents and other useful functionalities like precise arrival estimates and similar.
Now, since every airplane has a registration number, people figured out which plane was hers. Just like they know which plane Musk uses and many others. Data is recorded and known and completely legal, helpful even. If she has issues with this fact solution is rather simple. Get a charter flight or rent a plane and no one is the wiser. This is just rich people entitlement and the only way she can "win" this court case is to go a step further in stepping over the line which is to drown the poor man with legal expenses.
Edit: Oh, also location of boats is known. Not all boats, but commercial ones for sure. Their system is called AIS.
Part of the answer is "it's always been that way". All this is done in coordination with the FTC and there are certain frequencies assigned for aerial radio communication. It's not just done on 2.4GHz to be cheap like Wi-Fi / microwaves / etc.
Since the long-long-ago planes have been required to have their registered tail number visible. So if you do something not okay someone can find you and talk to you about it. After all cars are (mostly) limited to roads, boats are limited to waterways (and also have to have a name/number visible somewhere), planes can go anywhere and be annoying.
Radio communication to/from planes is just 'in the clear'. It's not encrypted because there isn't/wasn't a reason for it to be and for a long time it wasn't even possible. Encrypting it offers no benefit and many potential downsides. It's one more thing that can go wrong when you have a problem and need to talk to someone.
When tracking was upgraded to transponders ( a small radio dedicated to sending out info about who you are ) all that just stayed the same. They transmit a code you set and your altitude (and other info including tail number for newer ones/requirements after 2020 (just a coincidental year, the upgrade was planned years in advance)) so Air Traffic Control can say "Bugsmasher 123 turn left please". Radar is expensive, a device in the plane constantly broadcasting "plane here" is significantly simpler and cheaper to track. Most airports don't have Primary Radar.
ATC doesn't care about your tail number for tracking anything other that what to call you to get your attention on the radio. For your current flight, if you are using Flight Following (talking to ATC so they know where you are) or filing an Instrument Flight plan, they give you a semi-random transponder code for that flight. That is what they use for logistics. They don't care who you are, they care where you're going and when you're going to get there.
Tracking a tail number isn't much different from the <1900s version, which would be "weird the Mayflower is in port in Boston" or something.
Radio communication to/from planes is just ‘in the clear’. It’s not encrypted because there isn’t/wasn’t a reason for it to be and for a long time it wasn’t even possible. Encrypting it offers no benefit and many potential downsides. It’s one more thing that can go wrong when you have a problem and need to talk to someone.
There's tons of radio chatter one can listen to that's just blasted into the air with zero enceyption that you can pick up with an inexpensive radio scanner or SDR. Tons of first responders haven't updated to digital or encrypted radios (this will vary by state and municipality), railroad radio communication is often in the clear, as are boats and of course aircraft. There's a public database of crowd sources frequencies here:
Thank you for the detailed info! This is the kind of response I was hoping for
Safety against air collisions.
Actually surprised no one here is launching themselves to defend her like they didn't defend Elon on this. Haha.
She's been anti piracy and streaming to an astonishing degree and her concert ticket prices show what's wrong with everything entertainment right now. I reckon that alone doesn't sit well with the lemmy crowd who I believe are not the typical swift fans to begin with.
Twitter is probably a war zone I don’t think the 3 swifties on Lemmy care.
Can confirm. Love her but she shouldn't be flying a private jet. Nobody needs that
Probably not a big overlap with lemmy and taylor fan worshippers. Still not a mainstream site and she's absolutely positively a mainstream music artist.
That's a good thing though right?
That's it. Time for a new content filter.
Imma let you finish, but Tay-Tay has the most expensive legal team of all time!
I mean.. I kinda get her rational, she's got crazy stalkers... But all this really does is tell you what city she's in.
Great, she's in NYC... Which only has 9 million people in it.
I'm so tired about hearing about this fake ass bish. Y'all know she's racist, right?
Gotta love the phrasing, like Swift commands some man-of-war, in a big Victorian wig and dress - the elite fuck.
I guess she is the biggest monster of them all
I find it chuckle worthy that half of this thread is just crying about people owning jets
Edit: also find it chuckleworthy that people brought over their downvote habits from reddit :D
I'll probably join you at the bottom of the dog pile but I have to say:
If I was a multi-millionaire with enough money for a private jet, I would 100% own and travel with a private jet.
1st class?? Pfft what am I, a peasant? No, I'm flying in my private plane where I don't have to fuck with TSA and customs meets me at the bottom of the steps when I arrive.
I'd fly anywhere longer than a 3 hour drive and I'd probably buy a helicopter for those pesky short trips. I don't have time for traffic. Actually, if I had that much money I'd have enough time for whatever the fuck I wanted, but I wouldn't want to sit in traffic--and what's a $5k helicopter ride downtown?
Everyone on here acting all sanctimonious about their environmental impact would be on a private jet next week if they won the lottery today.
Speaking of which, I'm gonna go buy a lotto ticket.
Would the average person, suddenly handed $1 billion, increase their environmental impact? Almost certainly.
Public criticism of excessive impact can act as a moderating factor on this aspect of human nature.
Let’s fight the probable evil of our hypothetical selves by being vocal on unnecessary excesses of the rich and famous.
Yeah I'm not sure what people are expecting rich people to do, fly coach on spirit airlines?
The lack of nuance in any discussion on Lemmy is making me less and less interested in comment sections.
Easier just to pay him off. Of course, that's what he wants.
Wow, 5k is low-ball
