Everyone in this Turkish kebab shop I'm in is now staring at me for cracking up laughing uncontrollably, cheers 👍
Serves him well for taunting a fully-grown leopard with "psss... psss... psss..."
seeing alot of transphobia in the comments, light and probably accidental but yes deadnaming caitlyn is transphobia even if she fucking sucks.
it shows the trans people here that your acceptance is conditional on us agreeing with you.
you can call her out for her bs without deadnaming her
The reply to her tweet is on point, though. Any more deadnaming is just deadnaming.
Anyway, I would gladly provide her with HRT and send her to a labor camp as an enemy of the people.
I feel like accepting a trans person is, in fact, conditional on their support for other trans people. Like, it doesn't have to be their whole personality, but full-throatedly supporting the anti-trans administration is the exact opposite of supporting the trans community.
The problem with that, again, is that you are outing that you won't support trans people you disagree with. You can respect Caitlyn's gender identity and chosen name while still calling her a bloody numpty.
Oh noes, the target of the insult is insulted in a way the target would not approve. It's like the insult is meant to inflict abuse on the target. Logic circuits breaking down. What will society do?
Insult Caitlin Jenner about everything else she's a horrible person about. She killed a person, she supports a fascist, she's an adultular, a narcissist, was on the Kardashians, seriously take your pick. I could talk trash about Caitlin Jenner for a long time without ever bringing up her transition. I don't need to be transphobic to "inflict abuse".
is conditional on us agreeing with you.
Not exactly. If anything it's conditional on you not selling your allies/kin down the river.
Except that by misgendering her you're causing harm to the trans community as a whole. We don't misgender cisgender people when they are bad people. Misgendering transgender people who do bad things only shows that respecting transgender identity is conditional and can be revoked by other people. It's not. It's who we are. Even if someone is a trash fire human being they still should be gendered correctly.
Transphobes will read comments misgendering or deadnaming Caitlyn and cheer along. There are far, far better ways to vocalize disapproval of her. Ways that don't hurt other trans people.
This is, quite literally, same as Jews for Hitler -movement in pre-The War Germany. There are shades of grey in everything, and everyone. You can be bad or the side of bad people, even if you are a minority.
A great litmus test for transphobia is what pronouns people use for Christine Chandler.
I agree. Looking through the comments, I'm getting that "crabs fighting in the pot, pulling the others back in" vibe. We elevate society by being better. Period. Not being better if.
transphobia
Well I mean, all of the trans communities are on an instance with downvotes disabled for a reason. This place is 'left wing' when it comes to Trump but when it comes to LGBTQ+ issues, feminism or even discussion about religion, I have my doubts about how 'left wing' people here really are.
was my fav game growing up.
Was mental gymnastics included as a sport?
Instead of properly debating the issue at hand (the sanity of this schizo), commenters fight on whenever or not she's getting misgendered in the comments. Never change Lemmy
We've spent the whole slide into fascism arguing with eachother about whether or not it was okay to use the word fascism instead of fighting the fascists.
Yeah... Unfortunately that fight on the word fascists ruined a lot of countries and it still does. Take for example Romanian elections.
well the thing is, when words mean things, it takes longer. And people tend to lose patience fairly quickly.
Thank you to you patient people out there.
If this post doesn't get deleted, I'm gone. This just shows again that lemmy.world is filled with transphobes and that the mods endorse them. I will look for an instance that doesn't federate with them.
I am very confused by your comment.
The picture shows a post by a trans person praising donald trump.
And a response to that post pointing out that trump is transphobic.
But you saw this and decided that its the people of lemmy world who are this transphobes?
How is this post not a pro trans post? By opposing trumps anti trans executive order and pointing that out to a trans person who supports trump, you are damaging trump, not the trans person.
People can be trans and also fucking idiots at the same time. Its not transphobic to think a specific trans person is being dumb.
.ml bot moment i think
It's the lemmy people dogpiling and continuing the deadnaming after the point in the tweet has already been made. Yes Caitlyn Jenner is a moron who aligned herself with transphobic fascists who have legally mandated she be called by her deadname. Continuing to deadname her after the point is made is just additional cruelty on top without any additional benefit
Speaking more meta though, I fully understand the anger coming from people more to the left of Republicans, cruelty has won the Judiciary, congress and the presidency, cruelty has been an effective political strategy for republicans and a lot of people are angry and scared.
If finding irony in a situation is transphobic I guess you'll have a hard time on social media in general. Have you tried gardening? And I suggest you don't announce your departure either, this isn't a train station.
Finding the irony of a trans person cheering on a transphobic fascist isn't transphobic, continuing to deadname (something transphobes do for the sake of cruelty) after the irony has been pointed out is transphobic.
Yes she's a dumbass who supports a man who is legally requiring her to be deadnamed. If you follow continue to follow the laws of a fascist to hurt minorities, congratulations you're still following the laws of a fascist to hurt minorities.
Call her a dumbass, point out that the law as written requires people to call her by her deadname, point out that she won't be immune to fascist consequences when Republicans do come for trans people, don't continue to deadname just because someone else already pointed out irony.
Better still, convince lemmy.ml to defederate from all of us.
Critical thinking has left the building
K. Bye.
I've seen so much gay shit on my feed I can't believe that's true
Leopards ate her face.
She’ll be against the wall still singing Trump’s praises
And take away your passport.
This is gonna be one of those 'oh, my transition was done during the previous administration, so THIS administrations rules rules don't apply to me' cases.
Is her case grandfathered in, or grandmothered in 🤔?
Man, this is some nice word play
They Still Call Me Bruce Part II: Transgender Boogaloo
Hot take: she came out as trans to cover up the story of her hitting and killing someone with her car
Blatant transphobia here. Caitlyn Jenner is a horrible person but transphobic attacks help nobody
maybe. maybe not. In the end not for us to decide.
But tbh, if that were the case, she wouldn't have "stuck to the act" for so long.
She was trans but came out to play for sympathy, just like Kevin spacey coming out as gay right as he was accused of being a rapist
Yeah, maybe she came out when she did for that reason, but nobody has ever pretended to be trans and gone through years of HRT and surgery.
Buckle up buckaroos.
I know she deserves everything bad coming her way but this is still just transphobia...
How so? They're not calling her Bruce, they're stating the fact that the person that she's worshipping decreed that she legally has to be called by her birth name, Bruce.
Not sure how pointing out someone acting like Uncle Ruckus is transphobic. Is it antisemitic to point out that Jewish members were the first group purged from the Nazi party?
I'm genuinely curious, what about it comes across as transphobia to you?
not OP, but I'm in two minds about it. I don't really care to step in on caitlyn's behalf, she can kick rocks for all I care. and I don't think the intent of the post was hateful, but whenever a trans person does something bad and newsworthy, deadnames start to come out and even if it's directed at someone I actively despise it still sucks to read. revoking someone's chosen name out of personal disgust is just something we deal with irl a lot. it's a similar kind of ick as when a female politician does something reprehensible and the discourse gets flooded by a bunch of people crudely commenting on her appearance.
eta: with a very minor change this same exact point could be made without deadnaming her, so to me it's uncomfortable and unnecessary.
