If you can't afford living wages for your staff so they're not dependant on tips, your store shouldn't be open.
Everyone working a job should be making a living wage. "Oh, but then the price of my McDonald's cheeseburger will skyrocket!!" Fucking good. If it's not economical to produce a product without abusing people, that product shouldn't exist. Period. I will die on this hill.
If any place said a 30% tip is so so, I'm not tipping.
If I saw this I would give them exactly what I think they're worth. $0.01 and a bad online review.
Nice precedent for corruption
10-15% IF you went above and beyond or performed particularly well. It's a tip, I am not your employer. I used to be a huge tipper until I realized just how fucked that whole system is. Also, NEVER PRE-TIP. That is insane!
What's pre-tipping? A tip before you've even had service?
Its what you have to do these days if you want your uber to show up in a reasonable amount of time.
I don't think 10-15% has been considered a reasonable tip for "above and beyond" since the 80s. Most will take that as an insult worse than not tipping, funnily enough.
As for pre-tips, they (intentionally?) design the checkout process such that if there's a pre-tip, there is no post-tip. It's basically a "don't spit in my burger" fee.
Pre-tip? I think that's called a bribe
Complain all you want, but not tipping is straight up taking money from someone who is getting paid $5 an hour. Complain to ownership, write your congressman and state legislators, but not tipping only punishes someone who is barely scrapping by.
Your opinion is a result of class warfare propaganda, to get working class people arguing with each other. Direct your anger to the employer.
So, dear reader, notice how whenever defenders of tipping come along, it’s always the same story.
Oh boohoo my poor minimum wage (which is pegged to the same minimum wage as non-tipped workers in states where most people live).
Ever wonder why it’s always about the minimum wage and never about how much money they make?
Any server with 2 brain cells clears $40 an hour in untaxed cash wages every shift.
They never report it on their taxes, and yet they will cry about their poor wittle wage at every opportunity expecting people that make half their salary to tip them 100% for rudely dropping off a plate once and never coming back, making you wait 20 minutes to close a check.
Notice the pattern. Remember how I was right next time.
Ask them if they’d rather abolish tipping next time. Notice how none of them say “yes”.
I’m tired of this excuse. These people took the job knowing what the pay rate was, and are demanding the customer pay their salary directly rather than the employer like virtually any other conventional job does. Customers have had it, they’re being told to give employees raises along with rising food costs, even at businesses that don’t do a damn thing for the customer except maybe hand them a to-go box. 20% for that? F no. Grow a spine and demand real pay, people have had it. IDK how I can travel almost any modern place else in the world, pay for a good meal, and only have to leave the approximation of $1 or so for appreciation of the service, but in America I pay for the food and a separate charge for the employee’s “pay”.
Its unfortunately a catch 22 though because continuing to tip kinda enables it to keep happening if everyone stopped tipping then places would likely have to pay a decent wage in order to get people to work as even if you’re extremely desperate for money its still not really worth it to work for tipped minimum wage with no tips also im not sure if it applies to all places but if your compensation + tips falls below the federal minimim wage the company must pay you the difference if I am not mistaken
Avoid joints that's "require" tipping.
Deny the parasite profit.
Maybe the restaurants should pay their employees so customers don't have to pay them? I know it's a radical thought.
Honestly it should be both. Restaurants should pay minimum wage at the very least and then customers should be able to tip if they want. I have no issue tipping if the server did a good job. However, I'm not going to tip bad service.
I don't know. I don't think people who work as servers can affect if the food is bad, or if kitchen messes up stuff... They just take your order and get your food. I'm not sure why they should also act like they like you, and you are their favorite person in the world when you come into the restaurant... :)
I know you didn't say any of that and with good service, thats maybe not what you meant. Just wanted to say my own opinion about service... I guess I don't expect them to be fake and I don't like it if they are.
Relevant post from earlier this month
Honestly if it starts at 30% then im 0% tipping and they can fuck right off.
I know tipping culture is extreme, but I've never seen 100%. I don't think this is real.
I've never seen 25% until 10 years ago
I can't find the original image, it's just been reshared dozens of times on Xitter, Threads, Facebook and Reddit, but nobody is adding context or naming and shaming.
So yeah, probably just ragebait.
The issue with tipping is an issue with capitalism.
It is capitalism that has ruined nice things. Imagine the first person who tipped someone because their service was good and it was a nice thing to do. Next other people started doing it as well, which makes the profession with tipping more favorable.
This leads to a higher supply of workers and lower demand and the market adjusts which means lower pay because "they will receive tips".
Also it is easy to vilify the shop owners for doing something that the system encourages and even demands them. We don't know how or in what ways the shop owners are suffering because of the system.
Also to acknowledge their suffering is not to say that their suffering is equal to the suffering of their workers but rather we need to identify that everybody suffers in capitalism (except the very rich/elites).
The way to fix this is to stop tipping altogether. This will hurt the workers for sure but their suffering is necessary in order for things to change, at least under the current system.
Or alternatively, we can try and abolish the system altogether.
"There's no way to prevent this" - Says the only country where this happens regularly.
It's not a "Capitalism" problem. It's a USA problem.
I mean, tipping culture only seems to be a problem in the US. Countries in Europe and what have you are fine and they are still capitalist.
Those countries weren't founded by slavers...
Sure tipping for things may not be applicable in eu. But here's another example: imagine the first person who got a loan cuz they wanted to buy a house but didn't have the money at the time.
The bank who lent the money did a nice thing. Other banks and people started doing the same. And because people had access to more money, the price of houses increased to match with it.
Despite the fact that those people don't actually have that money and now it is a requirement. Nobody can afford to buy a house unless they go into debt. Again this is capitalism and the free market in action.
The reason tipping so "people can have livable wage" is not a thing in the EU is because the EU does have a livable minimum wage.
The concept of minimum wage is inherently anti-capitalistic. It is against the principles of free market.
Hey I know this is completely off-topic, but do you have thoughts on the moral implications of NATO?
Back when 15% was considered standard I liked tipping closer to 30%, but as a direct result of the push to try to make 15% seem low I no longer tip more than 15%.
My tipping follows the inverse of how much I am paying for the product. If the product is well priced and the service was good I have been known to tip 100% for excellent service. Now that everything is nearly double the cost of what it used to be I am more inclined to tip 50 cents to a dollar max.
They should be paying exceptionally well for what they are charging, but we know that isn't the case. I don't have unlimited wealth to spend either, fuck me for being poor and wanting some comfort "restaurant" food occasionally.
All you are doing is punishing some poor server who has no control of the price. The owner who is actually fucking both you and the staff over is unaffected.
I'm punishing them by giving them what was until 10 years ago considered an excellent and standard tip?
Not to mention that servers are, as a general group, extremely opposed to dismantling the tip system as a whole. My complaint wasn't about raised food prices, which the owner would be in control of - it was about raised tipping percentage expectations. I refuse to contribute to the steadily rising expectation of how much a tip should be, and regret my past contributions to that trend.
Custom: 0% HAHAFUCKYOU
Be sure to make eye contact as you type in 0.00
Custom: -100%
Infinite money glitch
Tip 1% whenever they dont offer a realistic choice
I always tip under 20% if they start with 20%...
These clowns ain't gonna shame me, I got none
That's an immediate $0.
Custom: 0%
Every time.
If they give me the No Tip option, I usually tip a little bit. But fuck off with this idea that you should be tipped. It helps no one.
30% is soso? Go fuck yourselves.
30%: underpaid
40%: immorally underpaid
50%; criminally underpaid
100%: Les Miserables
I'm not even paying the bill at that point.
soso is the same sound as a word that means breasts in my mother tongue.
Could be worth it under the best of circumstances.
"How much will you tip?
"TITS!"
Beats just the tip.
Isn't 10% the usual tip amount?
It was 30 years ago, but the tipping percentage has been subject to inflation for some reason right alongside the cost of the service.
Feels like an intentional double dip as a fuck you to me.
Yeah, I figured so. My knowledge on American tipping culture is based on 90s movies.
The reason is that minimum wage has been stagnant for the last 20 years. Servers are still getting paid $5 an hour plus their tips.
Uh...15% is. Or maybe 20% at a sit down restaurant.
America seems to be a bit crazy.
Pretty sure 0%-10% is standard in the UK. Though a lot of those cheeky service charges are around 12.5
15% has been the standard for many decades, and even that is supposed to be optional.
I've actually seen 2 recent practices that I hate more than this. While this is frustrating, at least you can input a custom tip. I've also seen them where they show 3 different dollar amounts that don't indicate percentage but doing the math, it's definitely way over the usual 20%. Then there's the one I hate the most which I keep seeing at places where you don't usually tip. You go to pay with your card and the little transaction/card machine shows different tip amounts, the default of which is already set. If you don't want to leave a tip, you have to figure out which button to push to do so. They're all different and it can be very confusing. I even saw one where each option was labeled in correlation with a button on the screen, except that they didn't match up. And what do you do then? Ask the person at the register how not to tip them?
[to cashier] "excuse me, ma'am, i can't seem to find the button to not leave a tip. can you show me where it is?"
I enjoy quietly asking, "do these tips actually go to you?"
I've gotten a discreet "no" headshake more than a few times. Then you can feel justified taking however long you want to select zero.
I leave a Google review for places that have shitty tipping practices.
I would.
100% you only receive a thank you?
Bastards
It’s fake rage bait you have fallen for
It may be but coming from the USA I don't doubt, my European mind is not able to understand that
We need to bring back the public stockades.
Nothing like a good pillory to brighten your day!
And they're perfect for this kind of thing! What better way to punish rude tip demands? Despite how rude it is, you don't want to throw someone in jail over this. A fine? You risk the fine being so low it's just a cost of business or so high you just ruined some service worker's life. This is exactly where the pillory shines!
Demand a tip like this? To the stockades with you! Spend an afternoon chained up by the sidewalk, while people throw tomatoes at you. No real harm done. Just public embarrassment.
“soso” 😂 I’m laughing but it’s not funny
It is normal to leave a 10-20% tip for certain jobs. However, this is just insane. I would probably lose my shit if I was prompted to leave a 100% tip. That's completely nuts.
Where was this taken? I want to avoid it as much as possible.
"100€, keep the change."
At this point I'd go full Karen asking to speak to the supervisor, then taking my business elsewhere.
Vote with your wallet.
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