I went to a Walgreens to buy nail clippers since I was nearby and had a bad hangnail.
Had to push a red button to wait for an employee to unlock the cabinet. After 10 minutes, I ran to find a random employee who was stocking and they got me what I needed.
That was the first and last time I ever went to Walgreens.
Yeah, I end up still using their pharmacy because the pharmacist is just a great guy and he takes care of people. But the rest of the store can fuck right off.
If you have good insurance you might not notice this, but drug prices at Walgreens and CVS are significantly more expensive than many other pharmacies, like Walmart, Costco, or HEB. Compare prices on Goodrx.com and see
That's like years ago, like 2016, I went to Walmart for the last time. They closed all the self checkout lanes, but I guess forgot to rehire cashiers. So I waited 30 minutes in line on a random weekday to buy one 50ft extension cord.
In the Soviet Union, the shopper experience wasn’t vastly different. You would stand in different lines to select, pay and collect items, so it was a good idea to bring a chair and a book with you.
I had a similar story. 2019 I went to the Walmart closest to where I live now and they had closed all the registers, and most of the self checks. I waited so long. I have a ton of stores close to me now so I was only going there on recommendation of a friend. "But they're so cheap!"
I haven’t set foot in a Walmart since Dec 2014 and I don’t miss it at all. My ex used to order groceries from there but now I get Kroger delivery. Weirdly, we don’t even have a Kroger within 150miles but they’re cheaper and faster.
Yeah most of them are like this. That's why it's the one place where self checkout was actually an improvement. Because they never had anyone at the fucking registers before that anyway. I try to never go there but at least now I don't have to wait an eternity if I have to go there.
Fun fact, next time you need something like that on the road just find a Dollar General. There's one approximately every nine feet (they're the retailer with the most locations in the US, bar none) and Dollar General don't give a fuck, therefore nothing is locked up there. Some stuff is behind the checkout counter, but that's all. Dollar General also doesn't care about you stealing the nail clippers, nor paying any employees to be present, nor much of anything else as far as I can tell.
I have gone to a local electronics store, Best Buy, several times in the last few years because I wanted something immediately only to be stopped at the last moment by a locked shelf and no one around to unlock it. What the fuck are you even supposed to do there? Scream and shout until someone arrives? Quietly stalk an employee until you find your moment to strike? I just fucking leave, I'll wait for shipping.
Took me 25 minutes to buy a $4 brake light bulb at wal mart one night. After tracking down an employee to track down another employee to meet me by the glass door. I'll never buy car bulbs there again. That portion of store is dead to me.
I went looking for a new cabin air filter since I had a gift card. The auto employee had literally no clue what I was talking about and just pointed at the wall of air filters with a shrug. Five seconds in an O’Reilly and I was on the way home
Same thing for me with a $10 headlight. Last time I needed one they weren't locked up, so that was an unpleasant discovery. The employee was super busy with other customers, so I don't blame him one bit.
I honestly wonder, is it illegal to simply unlock those things, if you have no intention of actually stealing from them? It's not like they use particularly high security locks. You can probably buy some simple lock raking or cylinder lock tools.
Is it actually violating a law to unlock one of those cases if you don't have any intention of actually stealing something?
lol that's way too much effort to give your hard earned money to a shitty company
I avoid Best Buy like the plague, I can't even remember the last time I went there, maybe 5 years ago? I went to buy a monitor and had to pass like 3 fucking security checks and a receipt checker.
The whole experience was so off putting, I just never went back.
Technically it would be trespassing, since you're entering an area you're not authorized to enter, but no damages, assuming you don't like break the lock or something.
You're not likely to get sued for nominal damages (one dollar) for a technical trespass. They might ask you to leave. If you have a key and nobody is around, go for it. The keys are generic.
You can actually just buy whatever keys you need online. When I worked in retail it was a major issue. Groups of thieves would come in and hand off the key to multiple people so each could go grab stuff from different areas.
Is it actually violating a law to unlock one of those cases if you don’t have any intention of actually stealing something?
It probably is.
My state has a definition in its shoplifting statute that includes tampering with packaging, removing tags, or defeating security devices even if the product does not leave the store. I'm sure others do as well. Technically they could probably bust you even if the very next thing you did was take the thing to the checkout and pay for it. Not worth it, in my opinion. Just buy from someone who doesn't pull that shit and let that good old fashioned Free Market Economy these chucklefucks love so much take care of it.
A simple solution would be a buzzer system that calls an employee to your aisle. But if an employee has the option of meeting shelf stocking or some other target, or spending time helping a customer, which isn’t as easily tracked and doesn’t look as good on a chart when bosses look at it, which do you think that they’ll choose?
My local petrol station has the same person stocking shelves as serving customers a lot of the time, it creates a right nightmare situation.
Despite all the effort spent prosecuting it, there's virtually no concrete evidence that retail theft — organized or otherwise — is on the rise. Data on retail theft provided to law enforcement and lawmakers comes exclusively from corporate retailers, or organizations funded by them, and is not independently vetted. Last year, the National Retail Federation was forced to retract its claim that organized retail theft cost its members "nearly half" of the $94.5 billion in lost inventory in 2021. One researcher put the actual figure closer to 5%.
My Walmart has a little button to summon an employee.
The last time (as in, both the most recent time and the final time) I went there at night to try getting diaper rash cream for my baby I pressed the button, and waited.
And waited.
Pressed the button again.
And waited.
Sunk cost fallacy. I've already waited so long, what if as soon as I walk away to find an employee somebody shows up?
After 10 minutes I went to find an employee stocking the shelves and told them what I needed. Their answer was "yeah, we saw you buzzed but we don't know who has the key. If we find out we'll have them open it for you."
It's the fucking worst. Say I need a toothbrush, new mascara, and cough syrup. That's gonna be at least 10 minutes waiting for the one overworked staff member to unlock the case at each of them.
A toothbrush? In the U.K. they’re like 2 quid …we’re actually gonna end up with people using Amazon for their shop for everything. It won’t end up with your weekly shopping trip being from the same place either.
I mean when you give things away you don’t sell as many of them either.
Selling stuff works best in an environment where the goods aren’t free but the people are.
People make money at roadside food stands based on the honor system. Anyone who just thinks “that’s naive” doesn’t know what they’re missing. A trust-based society that keeps accounts is the best society.
They overbuilt because if a competitor opened a store, they'd open on right next to it...
That strategy was never going to be profitable, they were trying to run competitors out of business.
Most of those stores were going. To close for one reason or another, the growth wasn't sustainable but it made stock prices go up and then they had to invent a reason to close store that would keep stock prices high.
Case in point, my Nephew once worked for Target in what used to be their flagship store in the area. Several years ago they opened a new flagship store literally 2.9 miles up the road. As the crow flies I think it's closer to 1.5. This wasn't a move. They left both stores open. They're still both open to this day.
Management immediately started bitching at all the low level employees that they weren't "hitting numbers" anymore as if the cashiers or stockers had anything to do with this. Uh, dickhead, you cannibalized your own business because now 100% of the people who live in the direction of the new store aren't going to drive right past it to come here; they're going to go to the new store instead. You didn't make the pie any bigger, all you did was take the same pie and slice it in half.
I don't know how many millions of dollars it cost them to build, stock, and staff that new store for no goddamn reason whatsoever.
I ran out to Walmart to grab my kid some cough medicine. It was locked behind the cabinet and since it was later than 6pm they couldn't unlock it and told me to come back tomorrow.
I walked into Walgreens on last Christmas (365+days ago) to get something on the way to a gathering, a half gallon of milk was $7.99. They must have upped all the prices to be kind to their customers on Christmas day
If theft is this bad, these stores should just switch back to the traditional model used by pharmacies and general stores. Consider this photo of a traditional pharmacy:
Or this old general store:
This is what these businesses used to look like. In traditional pharmacies and general stores, most goods were kept behind counters or at the very least within direct view of those behind counters. A traditional dry good store might literally just be a big counter in the front with a huge warehouse in the back. You show up with a list of goods you want, and the clerk would run into the back and grab everything you wanted.
The model of a store with aisles that customers wander through is not the historical norm. As industrialization improved, the relative costs of goods lowered, while the relative cost of labor increased. So it made sense for stores to accept a higher level of theft and shopliting by offloading the item-picking process to their customers. They got the customers to do a lot of the work for them, but in exchange they accepted a higher level of theft.
Now they're trying to have things both ways. They still want customers to do all the work of picking out their purchases from the shelves, but they've decided they don't like the level of shoplifting that level of low labor cost business inevitably produces. They want the customers to do most of the labor of clerks, but they don't want to accept the level of theft that inevitably produces.
Especially when you have one employee trying to cover the entire 16,000 square foot store. She isn't able to stop checking people out to come help me get allergy medicine? It's pretty bad when Walmart provides a better experience .
Several of the Walmart locations near me do this as well, now. One of them locks up diapers and baby formula, deodorant, shaving products, cough and allergy medications, basically all of their cosmetics department, the entirety of the tools department, most of paints, and all of electronics except for some reason the DVD's. This is in addition to the usual stuff that's under lock and key like the jewelry counter, ammo, and knives.
As a result, as if I didn't already need a reason, I just don't go there anymore.
Retailers have consistently made retail shit, and then they turn around and whine that they're losing money because everyone is shopping online. Well, this is surely another part of it. What customer is going to stand around waiting for one of the three employees you have left in the store find the keys and unlock the cabinet to buy a fucking can of shaving cream and perp walk them to the checkout so they can pay right then and there versus just having Amazon deliver it tomorrow without the hassle?
And thus, Amazon takes over another few square feet of the world.
I've been thinking about opening a regular corner store, but without having a ton of superfluous junk like all these other stores have. Like one or two options for a toothbrush, a few options for toothpaste, etc. Basically just the more popular stuff that people want to buy and make it easy for them to actually buy it. Maybe even offer a drive up window so you can grab a few things on your way home. People will pay good money to avoid Walmart and also for convenience.
Just recently, my wife wanted an eyebrow pencil, so we popped into a drugstore. All the makeup stuff was behind locked cabinets. We just turned around and went to a different store.
It seems like a particularly bad idea for anything that people might want to look at different versions of. If I wanted AA batteries that were locked, I might be okay saying, "Hey, can you grab me the batteries?" But for something that I want to look through the options, I'm not going to do that with the employee standing there tapping their foot.
Reminds me of getting the guy to unlock the video game and he hands me the game thinking we are gonna go ring it up, and I am just standing reading the back of the case, only to put it back and ask for another one.
Just ends up being me and Walmart bro shopping for a game together
That's funny, and good on you for not being intimidated into being rushed or leaving. If they want to lock the stuff up, they should deal with the impact.
I go bonkers trying to pick what version of a tool I want at home Depot, you usually can't even pick them up anymore, they're hard bolted to the display.
I walked into walmart to buy underwear and socks, they were all in lockup. I opened the amazon app on my phone, matched up the exact thing I wanted that was behind glass and it showed up at my house the next for for approximately the same price.
When I worked at Walmart people were constantly ripping open the underwear packages and throwing them all over the place and we would have to repackage them every day
They did steal them too a lot of the times only one from a pack (if you have to steal underwear please take the whole thing not just one)
I've tried asking for help, but the person I find doesn't work in that department and the assigned person doesn't show up for like 30 minutes. It's faster to drive across town to the store that doesn't have my item behind glass.
The store in my neighborhood thought it wise to lock up the fancy Italian coffee beans. I'm absolutely sure it will not stem theft and will absolutely decrease sales. The bags are big - these are the 1kg bags - so I'm fairly sure most of the theft that is happening is internal anyway.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of what they assume is shoplifting is actually internal. That's going to happen if companies don't pay their employees enough to cover food and rent.
I don't live in America but judging from what I heard, what is up with American stores manning the shops at bare minimum? Like, I heard so many complaints of self-service checkouts having no one staff looking after them, which leads to customers going to manned tills instead, because they couldn't deal with technical issues especially for the seniors. Then when a senior is asked if they want to use automated checkouts instead, they reply with the snarky response "I don't work here." You can't blame people for being reluctant to use the self-service checkouts, if there are no help! Where I live, there is always a staff looking after the self-service checkouts because of the inevitable technical issues or customers not knowing how to use them.
My guess for this poor implementation of technology is because bosses think machines are meant to replace humans as workers, when realistically machines should help people with work. We don't live in yet in a world where there are robots with the artifical intelligence as good as the human intelligence. And we are still way far from having robots with good dexterity skills as humans to completely replace us.
what is up with American stores manning the shops at bare minimum?
It all comes back to money > humans in this fucked up country.
The business leaders don’t care about their customers. They will sell out the people they depend on if it makes the numbers 1% better. And then COVID taught them how they could make things even worse.
But then the rest of the people don’t have enough respect for the employees, other customers, or themselves to demand better.
what is up with American stores manning the shops at bare minimum
Before covid, they were just starving support staff slowly. A few automated checkouts, less hands on the floor than in the 90's and the 00's. You'd often have someone re-folding, re-organizing, and restocking at all times. in the 10's it became more like staff during busy periods only.
When covid hit, the stores went to absolute operation bare minimum or even less. They figured out that they could literally put no one on the floor, stock and refill at night and profits boom. We're seeing that across almost all industries. It's like someone said, hey, have you tried just not providing any service at all AND raising prices. (e.g. health insurance) We should all be in the streets for blood, but we're not. The idiots are bringing back the right wing, expecting them to care at all about their plight.
We are in a rather self-destructive area of capitalism. The top is expanding as fast and hard as they can. They are bleeding the lower and middle classes harder than they ever have before. I give it a year top before everything crashes and inflation puts us about on par with the lesser economies.
You can’t blame people for being reluctant to use the self-service checkouts, if there are no help!
Much like with the locks on the storefronts, self-checkout is obnoxious in large part because the store owners don't really trust you to swipe your own merchandise. The machines are constantly yelling at you for putting things on the wrong side of the machine or putting stuff in your basket before you finished checkout. And if you do anything wrong, the machine locks itself down so you can't finish paying.
Why should you need help at a self-checkout? Its contrary to the very premise of the system.
Well Kmart when they were still open, was doing this to drive the company into the ground so the CEO, who owned all the debt the company had personally, could sell the company for all the pieces, land ownership, brand ownership, production and shipping elements. Why other companies do it I can't imagine why. You'd think all of them aren't trying to do the exact same thing.
Self-service stuff is utter crap for any number of reasons. I had to call staff multiple times (thankfully they are staffed where I live) on some trips. It is fucking stupid. They don't make things faster or easier. They just make them annoying.
I was gonna say, this level of theft is possible because of the number of people in the store that care if that store is stolen from.
At a Mom&Pop shop, there's only one person behind the counter, but they have free time to ask how someone's doing when they pick up something they intend to steal. Plus, any other customers in the place are relatively loyal, and not of the "stand around" variety. At a big chain store, there's two employees doing the job of five that can barely even point someone to an aisle, and not a single customer cares if the CEO bleeds out in an alleyway.
Last time I went to cvs (competitor to Walgreens), 3 different things I wanted were locked up. It took me too long to get someone 3 fucking different times to unlock it. On the last one I told the employee next time I’m just going to order online and might not be from cvs. Treat me like a kid or a criminal and I’ll take my business elsewhere
That's horrible and CVS deserves to lose your business, butI promise you that, unless it was the store manager you told, that employee absolutely did not care and didn't tell anyone who did care. That's just a consequence of divorcing ownership of businesses from employment. I swear to you that no normal employee of a national chain has ever been impacted by being told by a customer that they're taking their business elsewhere. If anything people should write letters to corporate, not let a low level employee with no interest in the company know.
Yup. My local Safeway has 2 security guards on duty at all times and one by one the aisles are starting to get locked up.
We started shopping elsewhere.
It's not just a convenience thing. Although it's really shitty to wait for a person to unlock it and then feel pressured while they stand there as I'm reading the labels and comparing items. It also just feels icky. Like I'm being punished for something. Probably for not being rich.
No shit. There was briefly an electronics store in the 90s where literally everything was priced low, but it was allllll locked up, either behind glass or held to the countertop with a security wire. I can't even remember the name of it. It was like grand opening, grand closing.
Man this might have been it. It fits with the time, and I remember the place having a red trade dress. I looked at some pictures of The Wiz but it didn't strike me as I remember this place, with like everything being under lock and key. Google searches didn't help.
Sounds like his job should be converted to an AI bot. This fucker makes how much money, and didn’t identify any of the problems that regular people in this thread easily identified? Turn his role into AI. Save the share holders his salary.
Fun thing is that you could probably make an AI say they need more locking or none at all. There's coherent words toward either strategy, and LLMs only care about making coherent words. So I guess just like most CEOs...
How much of this shit is managers embezzling goods from their own stores and labelling it stolen or being barcodejacked at the self checkout? They also didn't note the cabinets successfully reduced thefts
Not as much as you would guess. Managers are the most likely source of serious theft, but at the same time, they are usually being paid $70k-$100k a year and typically have bonus agreements where if the stores profits go up in a financial quarter they get a payout, and there's a lot of store managers getting more money from their bonus than their payroll, so to motivate theft you need a VERY greedy manager who is going to get more than 6 figures from the scheme or he's risking his job for less money than his job pays anyway. The most common method is falsified sales, that's gonna get him his bonus when he knows he's not hitting metrics and was really expecting the payout. I've seen a few managers get caught on this. Next you have the more complex attempts, like filling in fake data for large ticket item deliveries or printing out delivery sheets with no sale in the system at all, then you have the delivery to a known place and you keep the high ticket items and sell them out otherwise profit off the delivery, this can go on for some time before it becomes evident. Sometimes there's smaller scams like the Walmart managers that were cashing out giftcards, putting them back on the shelf and 100% getting away with it because Walmarts system was probably out of date with modern standards. Then you have the wild schemes like getting free mech from vendors, returning that mech in the system before inventory and getting yourself fired for petty theft before anyone figures out you have stolen several million dollars in comped merchandise that never existed in the first place so no one's even looking for it. Being fired for theft is a nice master touch, because it caused a ton of confusion when they bring the charges to police. Who are easily confused. But you know. It's not ALL management and a lot of high theft items are too cheap to be internal theft, spray paint, exacto knives, cheap earbuds, usually it's a ''I can't get past the ID check'' type of theft.
Its funny because I now recall talking to somebody who worked at an electronics store and they would throw items in the trash, report them as damaged and recover them later when taking out garbage.
Its so funny to think now he'd have the keys to the shelves and the same strategy would probably still work.
Idk, theft was pretty rampant at some of my local stores, not quite as bad lately. I've personally witnessed a few people steal from my local grocery store in the last year or two. My local Home Depot was even worse until their security guard shot a guy and they rearranged the checkout lanes. Now in order to go through the exit you have to go through a long corridor of self checkout lanes with several employees. And I'd probably be less likely to rob a place if I'd heard their security guard shot a guy.
Around here that just means they'd shoot the security guy first. That's why so few banks have visible armed security anymore.
The current SOP is to just let the perps take whatever, don't offer any resistance, and let the cops track them down, and make an insurance claim. And optionally slip a dye pack in the proverbial money bag. If you're a bank or a big enough business the cops will be falling all over themselves to chase the robbers on your behalf. If you're an independent business owner... probably not so much.
Our local Walmart has two (2) in-uniform and on the clock state policemen posted there at all times. On our dime -- that is, the taxpayers. Meanwhile in the 'hood you can't even get the cops to show up for a shooting in less than four hours.
It's definitely about theft. Hard to manage that away.
Walmarts are doing this with things like cosmetics in some areas too, though at least in the one I frequent they have a checkout counter and clerk in the immediate vicinity. Not sure it won't still frustrate the honest people who have lots of other options.
There's a retail strategy of putting products at your fingertips in the checkout aisle in order to entice you to buy it. Candy right next to you, so you're munching on it when you leave the store. You feel good, they get money, no additional load on the staff.
This is, effectively, the opposite strategy. Make getting your hands on anything annoying and difficult, increase the number of floor clerks you need to constantly unlock the shelf, and generally make the retail experience slower and more unpleasant.
Target near me has all the booze locked up. They have a button you can press to get an employee to open the cases for you to buy something. I waited 10 minutes for someone to come and open up the case to buy a bottle of Campari. Nobody ever showed up. I wrote Target to tell them I'll be looking elsewhere from now on for any item they keep in a case.
I wonder if anyone considered installing a camera and a remote-triggered lock so a cashier, manager, or security person could just buzz someone in. All that crap is SUPER cheap now.
Honestly, the first thing i thought when hearing those measures was that it would only highlight how much more convenient online shopping is versus the store.
I'd be okay with them forming this takeaway, but I think there were indications that the thieves were generally pretty well-off; it was often organized groups stealing and selling the goods by value rather than individuals in need of those specific things.
Stopped at my local Best Buy the other day. Needed an SSD that was locked behind glass. After attempting to get help for a half hour I ordered one on eBay from the parking lot and drove home. I've honestly tried to support brick and mortar where I can but I give up.
I expect lighting, store position, lots of cameras, hidden security tags, diligent security and psychology would minimize losses and maximize the chances of catching people stealing items.
There are organized groups, but they mainly operate through removing and slap-tagging (placing an adhesive barcode for a cheap product over an expensive one).
Some of them get very specific. When I worked at a major outdoors chain, they'd get a $3,000+ Hummingbird sonar unit and put on a tag for a $100 Hummingbird unit, so the cashier would see the correct brand name pop up on the screen.
I'm sure it's all sorts - teams, meth heads, kids, desperates, employees whatever. These "loss prevention" units have to figure the best way to deter theft before it happens, detect theft when it happens, trespass / prosecute thieves, and minimize loss of sales all at once. It's a difficult calculus I'm sure.
Well I mean I wasn't buying disposable razors for $40 anyway, but TBH nobody should be. Even if that wasn't a profit-driven overprice, it's still a stupidly wasteful use of titanium.
Now I wonder if the current popularity of beards hasn't been at least partially due to this policy.
Same and I don't even shoplift. I feel like interacting with a human should not be required in order to go shopping. I just want to grab my stuff in peace, check it out myself, and go.
Same reason why I ignore the receipt checkers. I just walk on by. Unless you're at Costco, they're not going to stop you.
The people who check receipts to make sure you've paid for everything you are removing from the store. OP is saying that the Costco people are hard core, but that other stores' receipt checkers aren't going to try to stop you, which makes those places much more hassle free to just shop and go after you've paid for your purchases.
It's a catch 22... literally. If they don't lock it up, half the shit would be gone within days. I've seen it. I work part time in merchandising, my CVS and Walgreens stores have people coming in ALL THE TIME, grabbing shit from the shelves and running out. It's fucking frustrating.