Devastated Harris voters conclude America just hates women as Trump wins again

I think this is basically it. Americans are stupid, immoral people.

They put a proven rapist, convicted felon, and fascist in the White House after he killed a million Americans with Covid and openly talked about deploying the military on our fellow citizens.

Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.

Don’t underestimate misogyny / bro culture in the US. Combine that with machismo in some subcultures and the weird religious beliefs that women should be subservient and at home making babies and we’ll never see a female president at this rate.

People are seriously underestimating just how stupid the Trump voter is. Sure, 10% of them are selfish, racist, misogynist, pieces of shit. The rest are too fucking dumb to accurately describe. These morons not only have fully submitted themselves to the propaganda bubble world they choose to remain in, but they are willing to believe, and do believe, multiple contradicting lies at the same time. They lack the most basic level of reasoning that many pets have. For example, they will believe that Biden doesn't exist and is actually an actor, Obama is controlling Biden as president, Trump is secretly president already, that Biden is manipulating everything against Trump, and that Biden is too senile to do anything. It's not that they think some of these conspiracies could be true, they believe all of it at the same time. Even my dog knows that the treat being in one hand means it's not in the other hand. Even my dog can understand we live in one reality. These people are dumber than fucking rocks.

Yup. This was my conclusion as well. Elon likely turned the tide of the election, and he barely dipped into his available funds.

All of us struggling to survive, making an honest living... We're just seen as trash. Trump, Elon, Jeff... They don't have to call us garbage. They know we're garbage. They know it every time they both commit, and get away with crimes, and every time they toss money around with barely a thought.

It's already so bad... The inflation, the debt, the hours. The average American is no longer hopeful that they might achieve prosperity. What happens when Trump raises our taxes, while cutting taxes for the wealthy? What happens when the war on porn and abortion is cranked up? What happens when hundreds of millions of people become desperate, disillusioned, and disenfranchised?

I think Putin knows. I know. You all probably have some idea.

Help the people around you as much as you can, everyone. Don't let the country descend into chaos. Even when countless Americans hate us for it, we have to help even those people.

You know Canada used to make fun of America as a daily pastime. We stopped doing that and now look where we are.

They think right of progressives makes them Republican. When it really just makes them a liberal.

Don't overgeneralize. Many of us [edit: US citizens] are not that stupid [edit: and didn't vote for this dumpster fire].

And as one of those I don't appreciate the random asshole insults.

Edit: Calling an entire country stupid when you can't parse that this comment was saying that a large chunk of us didn't vote for Diaper Donnie is very ironic.

I saved a comment from u/allmhuran posted to r/news on 2016-06-24:

"Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they'll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.

But it's not surprising.

You can't feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don't seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.

There's a cost associated with not telling the truth. There's a cost associated with polarized, adversarial public discourse. There's a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

It is, apparently, time to pay the piper."

“So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime”

Except Trump has done none of these things. These people are lying to you, and probably to themselves.

The worst part is all of those claims can be easily debunked, but not a one of them will ever believe it.

Unless that the large portion of americas population that thinks the ultra rich are awesome suddenly stops thinking that way then it’s gonna be a difficult battle.

Don’t take the word of a fascist at face value. They don't argue in good faith. They are all racists and sexists, every single one. They’re just too cowardly to say it to your face.

These men who are meant to be protectors of the women in their lives have committed the ultimate betrayal of selling them out as slaves. What vile creatures. How could anyone stand to be in the same room as a man who did that to you. That would make me sick to my core.

They don't value women enough to consider that a loss.

For them, all of the smart women shutting up or leaving is probably beneficial.

4b baby

Genuinely curious, what about all the women that voted orange?

Some will. Some can't.

Democrats don't really have a base. It's not progressives, if that's what you're thinking, we don't have the numbers for that kind of sway. You can see this clearly in how many House seats we hold.

If there is any base to dems, its white collar suburban soccer moms. But it's not actually that either, they're just one of the biggest segments.

Harris didn't move right! She supported expanding the child tax credit, legalizing marijuana, codifying Roe, etc.

She did campaign with Cheney, but didn't endorse her or promise her a position of power or adopt any of her policy preferences. The whole point was to signal "Trump is so dangerous that even the most conservative leaders are setting aside their disagreements to support me."

I'm certain thier base is whomever votes at this point. If the GOP dissappear tomorrow, I'm concerned they would start putting up nazi flags.

That's what they mean by America hates women. It includes women too.

Saying women can't be sexist is akin to saying black people can't be racist. Of course they can, and I saw segments where they were interviewing Trump women at rallies and they were saying shit like women are too emotional to lead a country. It turns out people can hate themselves.

Internalised misogyny and all of that.

Wild.

I heard an interview with a woman who said she voted Republican because, on the one hand, abortion "isn't that big of a deal" and ought to be left up to the states, but on the other, "doctors shouldn't be allowed to abort babies after they're born."

So this person thinks that doctors are murdering babies... and that should be allowed on a state by state basis. Which... boy oh boy, I'm not sure what to even do with a mind that works that way.

Lol this mfer can make them into breeder slaves from Mad Max Fury Road and they'd just vote even harder for him next time.

It's just joever, people prefer authoritarianism over freedom, even reproductive freedom or bodily autonomy, they are sheep that need to be led where to go and told what to think.

If you think sexism wasn't a significant part of this, I don't know what to tell you. Of course it was. Biden wasn't better than her in any way and he won against Trump. Despite the fact that practically no one was excited to vote for him. It's baffling you're even questioning this.

Any sane adult should have beat Trump. He won because 72 million Americans want fascism.

Completely agree, but I’ve been seeing so many similar sentiments on Lemmy since the election. Today I saw someone comment, almost word for word, that there was no problem with Kamala’s campaign - the issue was simply that Americans are too stupid. Someone else on a totally different post commented that this election proves the Dems could run Jesus Christ himself and half the country would still reject him. And those are just two examples. This is one of more unhinged meltdowns I’ve ever seen.

Sure, go ask the average turnip voter if her neoliberal stances were why they voted for the rapist, 34 time convicted felon who cages children, is literally traded on the stock market and has nothing but praise for dictators, in fact who expressed his desire to be one multiple times on the campaign trail.

You folks are so desperate to not blame the majority of people who chose to either vote for that, or were at least comfortable with him as their leader.

Yup. Sadly, we can't run some robust experiments, but I'm pretty sure Warren would have outperformed Harris by a mile.

God I hope the DNC's fucking takeaway isn't "must only run neoliberal men".

More than one thing can be true. And they obviously were in this case.

The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.

" I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy details… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".

My Trump-supporting mother, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sister-in-law and sister would all cite "abortion is murder" and "criminal illegals" bullshit before Harris' vagina or skin ever came into it.

I almost wish the Dems had run Biden despite his terrible debate performance so that people wouldn't blame the Dems losing on Harris' vagina and skin color instead of her terrible campaign.

Trump did about as well as he did in 2020, that Harris lost is because she did worse than Biden did in 2020. Fear of Trump wasn't as fresh to animate the base and she only really courted moderate republicans and middle class white women in the latter stages of her (short) campaign and that hurt turnout and turnout is the most important thing for Dems.

I'm with you. Some of the simplicity of this is what's going to keep these cycles going.

He won by more than she lost by. It's not an excuse, it's just a part of the equation that cannot be ignored.

Not defending bidens record here but are you really dissing an 81 yo dick? You think anyone has a girthy hog at 81?

You can’t say that it didn’t contribute at all. I don’t think anyone is. And if they are, they’re stupid. But trying to boil it down to just that answer is even more stupid.

Harris retained more male Biden voters than female.

Capitalism is eating people alive. And people are fuckin sick of it. The democrats are the one party that actually pretends to try to appear to be on the “right” side, but will throw the working class under their campaign bus the minute the big money donors pull on their strings. So the betrayal people feel from the dems is fuckin palpable.

That, I think, is the biggest contributor. We are told they are the ones that will actually do good, but then get in office and “stay the course,” so their voters turn on them. Then we get people like trump and bush in office, and people are disgusted, so we hold our noses and vote for the democrats. But they’re Lucy and we’re Charlie Brown, and the cycle starts all over again. Meanwhile, the Overton window keeps lurching to the right, capitalism scorches the earth and robs us blind, and we all get more desperate. People are angrier than ever, and feel even more betrayed because it’s increasingly clear to more and more people that we have no one in our corner.

But here come the democrats again, telling us we’re on the right path, that we just have to trust them and their incrementalism nonsense while they try to court some nonexistent right-leaning swing voter. They fucked up bad on that last point this go round. They turned their backs on us in a big way to parade the Cheneys around telling us they were going to put republicans in the White House even if the democrats win? What in the fuck were they thinking?

Harris still might, California is only 60% counted with mostly urban places left to count.

No they hate cops. Harris was a terrible candidate

Jesus...

I've been joking since she won her primary that she's going to lose because even the Dems in AZ are sexists who like veterans.

The race is narrower than I would've expected because Harris's right-wing heelturn fucked the down ballot races. I genuinely believe that lowered turnout in big numbers

Men who respect women don't vote for a rapist.