In a rare moment, Donald Trump received “boos” from a crowd of supporters at a Florida summit Friday for saying he supports abortion in cases of rape and incest. Reporting from the rally, CNN correspondent Kristen Holmes said that the conservative Turning Point USA's “very Trump friendly room" went ...
Man is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He doesn’t want to make this election a referendum on abortion, because as we’ve seen in ballot measures in the past two years, he can’t win that fight. However, his base won’t accept anything but a hardline stance. Must suck to be him, couldn’t happen to a worse person.
Same situation where he was almost begging his cult to take the vaccine. You can see him share how important it was, realizing they were gonna lynch him, and immediately kept twisting it over and over until he was on their side again.
If he hadn't politicized it in the first place it would've been ok, but he saw the blue cities being hit first and so it was initially a benefit because people voting against him were dying. Then his big dumdum a-brain couldn't extrapolate to the future where eventually only people against science would be dying, so he came out against protections. By the time the he realized his cult was dying off it was far too late for them to change their personalities.
He put himself there. Remember that in 2012 he was pretty waffley on abortion and then he listened to the Christian nationals and stuffed to court with people who wanted to kill Roe. Whether he is truly drinking the Kool-Aide (personally I don't think Trump gives a shit about anything as long as he gets money and fame) or not he is now committed to a position that 70% of Americans disagree with. The fact that Dems aren't knocking it out of the fucking park (we're moving in the right direction finally, at least) is a pretty clear sign that America is sick and tired of neoliberalism and wants actual change.
While he doesn't care about anything 9ther than himself, I think that he such poor management skills that he doesn't know how to resolve any situation that you can't bully yourself out of.
Imo this is also one of the issues that shows how he has boxed himself into a corner with his VP candidate choice. If he had chosen someone that appeals to a different voter base, rather than Vance, who caters to the same crowd, then they'd have an easier time arguing both sides at the same time.
"Yeah... i support exceptions for, uh, rape, and stuff... <whink whink whink>". the boos were because he didn't make the winking obvious enough for the troglodytes in the back.
Lol at GOP writing a law where a police report is sufficient. They will only include a rape/incest allowance if there’s a conviction. Of course that will never happen in time, so the exception becomes meaningless.
I wonder how hard a horse would have to kick my skull before I thought the government should assist pedophiles in harming their victims. They hate women so much.
As other commenter said - they are consistent. If abortion is murder, that's any abortion. If it's not, then no abortion is a crime.
The only case where you want to forbid abortions generally, but allow them for rape and incest cases, is if you are a fascist who wants to force women to give birth except for most outrageous cases (also with rape the child is more likely to be, eh, not loved by the mother, while with incest more likely to have pathologies), those likely to be less useful for their demography fetish.
So in this case Trump is worse than his supporters if we try to deduce logic from the position taken, while his supporters are worse in practice.
This is what happens when you pander to extremists, donnie. You now have the choice of pissing off the nutjobs by trying to appeal to the moderates, or you can double down on the nutjobs. You lose either way.
Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny and old wounds open all too easily. I am merely a fool who created a monster I am now powerless to stop, and so I will play my role to the bloody end.
Dementia Don the racist rapist with 34 felonies that can't complete a coherent sentence can't remember what his cult wants. He needs to drop out, he's just too old.
Even Donald would've have been fucked if teenage Ivanka gave birth to one of his abominations. He didn't have the cult yet so he was only protected from financial crimes.
On the one hand, I love to see him booed and I'm sure it actually had an impact on the narcissist. On the other hand, the booers could hardly have chosen a worse stance.
Degenerates is right. You have to be a degenerate to believe that a 10-year-old should have her uncle's rape baby.
Yeah, most of the crowd at a Trump rally is going to be a caricature of all the negative stereotypes about Republicans and/or Americans. And if we know them personally, we can tell they aren’t right in the head.
The people showing up to trump and turning point bullshit are not representative of the majority. But constant coverage of those morons since trump definitely makes it seem that way
We also have roughly half the population of the entirety of Europe in one country. With that many people, you're going to have more dumb dumbs than wherever OP is from.
Well his issue is that he has been saying shit to appease his cult and they took a turn for straight up fascism, and then his issue is that the coup failed and he is no longer in power and that maga cult is simply not big enough to get him elected, he has to take some more reasonable stances to attract the "normal" republicans, but then those somewhat normal views are too fucking extreme for his maga cult so he is in risk of losing them if he says stuff like this, he is kinda fucked
Why doesn't he just do the classics which they all agree on? Promises of overt bigotry and being financially cucked by billionaires always work great on Repubs.
Trump's one strategy is to say something and see if it catches. If it falls flat, he won't bring it up again. If it works, he'll hammer it harder next time.
He must have felt how much they're losing on abortion and tried to pull it back, but the base won't follow him there. You probably won't hear him bring it up again for the rest of the campaign.
Sure, but I mean, that's not why he and the GOP don't have a platform. It's because he is a compulsive liar and nobody - least of all himself - can even keep track of all the contradictory positions he's taking.
Just in case someone truly believe that all this s**tshow would just disappear without Trump around. Let's face it, he's a symptom of the problem, not the main cause.
i don't understand why people are still anti-abortion in general, but even for those who are completely against it, why not allow it in extreme cases like medical reasons, rape, and incest? surely your god wouldn't want a young girl raped by her father to give birth to her own child-sibling who's definitely going to be all kinds of genetically and mentally fucked up?
Abortion is part of god's plan, he gives instructions for one way to cause a medical miscarriage in Numbers 5:11-31. They just ignore the parts of the book that don't agree with their fascism.
Because they believe that women should be subordinate to men, and that their sexuality should be tightly controlled. For the same reason, they want to make it harder to get divorced.
It has never been about religion, that’s just a smokescreen. it’s just control over women.
The Lord works in mysterious ways. Or some other bullshit they tell themselves to justify the horrors of the world. The Lord is almighty. No, fuck you, the "lord" does not exist, you imbecile.
"Christians" didn't give two shits about abortion until integrating schools became a thing in the South. Then, suddenly, we care about the "unborn."
Just gonna leave this here:
"The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
Because they believe that a fetus is a human being, and that killing a human is murder. I find it sad that so many people cannot understand that many Christians really believe that.
It's crazy how many of those same Christians are okay with killing a human if it's a stand-your-ground home break in, or if it's a thief, or if it's a black guy with a counterfeit dollar bill, or if it's the death penalty.
It's sad how people fall for their stupid double-speak but here we are.
I have seen no evidence that they actually believe that, considering how this diverges from their beliefs about the sanctity of life in many other areas.
Buuut they don't. When was the last time a so called Christian held a funeral for a miscarriage??
They do not believe what you said, not at all.
Their religious texts don't say it. They don't believe because they are not ready to throw their sisters and mothers in prison for abortions.
It is all a big fat lie perpetrated by politicians using religion for their personal gain. They have used effective propaganda to dup non-political people into voting for them.
There are some extremists that may believe this but they are not mainstream at all despite how badly they want to be. I would argue these people are not Christians at all.
Your ONLY allowed to kill Children AFTER they've been Born! That's why these SAME people are TOTALLY COOL with Guns in Schools and Calling in Bomb Threats to Children's Hospital's and Outlawing Youth Medicine and Defunding School Lunches!
He created that monster. It’s his own fault if they eat him alive- because I guarantee you, they’re going to get far worse and they’ll turn on him in a fucking second if he even so much as glances to the left.
I have to commend these vile shitbags with being consistent about hating women and wanting them to be miserable incubators.
Other "moderate" regressives who find that far too cruel to impose on somebody need to get a fucking clue what team they are backing. Supporting abortion for rape and incest is inconsistent with pretending a fetus is a human. There are no crimes a father can commit where it is morally acceptable to execute a child.
There are no crimes a father can commit where it is morally acceptable to execute a child.
Other than that, Christianity has a lot of things about forgiveness and eternal soul and such, which not only make responsibility quite personal, but also make such child not worse than any other child.
The Republicans are getting cannibalized by their own voterbase. They've pushed their voters too far to the right, and now it's coming back to bite them in the ass. Whatever plausibly "moderate" views red politicians have now are going to be gone in a few years, if the Democrats winning the upcoming elections doesn't save them lol
I’m pro-choice, but I think this is a bit silly. For example you could say that having car insurance cover accidents but not intentional damage is the same as covering intentional damage because the only sensible way to determine it is to ask the driver.
Is it as hard to prove someone intentionally damaged there car as it is to prove someone wasn't raped? If so, then yes, insurance companies are covering for intentional damage.
A better fit for your example if is the rules change so that insurance companies only paid out if the other driver intentionally rammed into you. If it was an accident all around they don't pay out. How would you enforce such a rule? You couldn't.
How do you prove sex is consensual when you can't even demonstrate which sex act caused the pregnancy?
Scrolling by quickly, the thumbnail in my Lemmy client makes it look like he's got a hitler mustache. The framing of the microphone and his hand is almost perfect and very fitting.
How DARE he rape children with Jeffrey Epsteincheat on Melania with a porn star while she's pregnantdefraud people BILLIONS of dollars say that rape and incest is bad!
I doubt he believes in most of the shit he spews, he just wants the power and publicity of the position, also to be able to get him out of his own troubles. We know he isn't religious, he is likely pro choice, and he was for drag shows, escorts. He just does what will get/keep him in power without having the ability to understand anything like empathy.
Imagine someone telling you that the mother of your kids can get you a tax break and thinking "let's use that, oh and maybe don't take care of that part of the golf course" when clearly the landscapers are already being paid to care for the entire course, and you now have more money to pay for it. I can only think it was vindictiveness.
When I saw this post scrolling by the thumbnail really got my attention...
That little piece of black mic in front of his nose...it just reminded me of some figure from the not so distant past...he also rallied huge crowds and they were all cheering for every single word he said.
Many of the things he said are things that Democrats want to do - they didn’t take away the child tax credit (in fact Biden expanded it), they do want to make life more accommodating to parents, they want protections against women having setbacks in their careers because of pregnancy. I don’t get what his issue is.
How supporting abortions is MAGA? How can non-American be MAGA? Oh, right, Trump said it, so now it is MAGA.
I think beind "against whatever Trump says" is harmful. Today Trump says in support of abortions, tomorrow that corpobrained will say something in support of UHC. Should then everyone start hating UHC?
The significance of the headline is that the right is fracturing.
It's more like plaster fell off exposing long-existing cracks, but ok.