I think they're onto something. In fact, these water mountains seem to be so common, it might just be one big water mountain that covers the whole planet, and is so big it eventually wraps around and meets itself at the bottom.
No no no. That would NEVER work! See, what's actually happening is the lizardmen are driving these ships, and taking them to the pirate ports where they sell everything. Thats when they buy evrn MORE drugs, and Steve said I can have some of the drugs. So I started eating these gummies, but it turns out they're just regular gummy bears. They're still good though. I would trade you some of my gummy bears for some actual gummies, but I have misplaced my pants....
There are "hills" on the sea. I doesn't prove that Earth is not also round.
Yep. This is due to variations in the gravitational magnitude at any point from the earth, moon, sun, and other bodies, as well as the periodicity of the earth/moon/sun rotations interacting with friction (between the sea and the sea, the sea and the atmosphere, and the sea and the lithosphere), and creating a giant standing wave (which is constantly changing, like an instrument or a musical composition) of ocean water all over the earth. This doesn't even take into account atmospheric pressure and water temperature/viscosity variations. The earth is a complex system with waves upon waves upon waves of interacting coupled oscillations all interfering with each other. Whoa 😳
And more. Major river discharge can raise the sea level in the area. Then big circular currents similar like when you stirr your cup of coffee or tea. Or chocolate milk 🤤
like an instrument or a musical composition) of ocean water all over the earth.
Somebody way better at music should find a way to turn that into music.
Shhh.
You’re gonna make their brains hurt.
TIL, thank you
Isn't that how tides work? The hills move? I'm probably all wrong
It's all about gravity and then some.
The tides and ordinary waves caused by wind will appear as moving hills.
The daily tides happen from the moon pulling the water towards the line between the moon and earth. This forms the tides that go around the globe everyday. It happens on both sides of the globe, like this:
The topological map shows something else than tides and moving waves though.
The globe isn't perfectly round. It's shaped like an irregular geoid, almost shaped like an ellipsoid, but not exactly. The ocean surface topological map takes the usual tides in account and maps the surface in relation to the geoid, so it shows where the water level is higher or lower than it would be if it was perfectly distributed.
The earth's gravitational field is not perfectly regular, so it will pull more water towards certain areas, and there are things like ocean currents and the regular trade winds happening from Earth's rotation, all shaping the sea in hills and valleys that are not just waves. These variations span large areas and doesn't appear as much in relation to the tides. It basically just goes to show that sea level is not at all level. For instance, the east coast of USA has a higher sea level than the west coast. If sea levels should rise from melting ice, it is therefore more likely to spill over the east coast than the west coast.
Wait I have a meme for this (and absolutely no one is surprised):
Yeah, Mount Horizon covers the entire planet
They have to be trolling, right? There's no way a flat earther thinks water can bend like that.
"the earth is flat since water is always level, oh except water mountains"
Actually, i could imagine a flat earther would say that now that i think about it
Yeah, you're right. Why am I expecting any soft of consistency in their train of thought. lol
What is a tide if not a wide and mobile water hill?
Also nowadays we have such accurate satellites that we can actually see the tiny increases in elevation of the sea level that reflect the topology of the sea floor.
Satellites notice the tiny "water mountains" which indicate the topology of the sea floor, and then they scan the place better with equipment on boats.
But yeah, I really think "water mountains" is a bit on a exaggeration to that phenomena.
Oh you sweet summer child. If they understood basic physics they wouldn't be a flat earther.
There's no way a flat earther thinks
That's all you need to remember.
This is what fundamental scientific illiteracy gets you.
When you have no reference point for how the world around you works anything makes sense.
Flat earthers 10 years ago in school: “when am I ever going to need to know the difference between a plane and a sphere in the real world?!”
Nah it's just trolling and people like you overreacting and feeding the social media machine, Zuck et al. love it
It's been 10 years, it's not trolling.
I only feed the Lemmy social media machine. I bet I have cost instance admins entire pennies!
I believe in water mountain. Just one of it. And it's round. That's why ships always disappear the same distance away if your height is the same, and why they disappear further away if you're higher up, again with a predictable relationship. The water mountain surrounds two thirds of the earth, and goes all the way around the round earth.
I don't think this guy got the memo: the flat earth argument is that water finds its own level. "Large bodies of water don't curve" as they say.
They believe that the ships don't actually disappear and that the strong zoom of a Nikon P1000 can actually bring ships back from behind the "curve".
They're a very special set of people 👍
strong zoom of a Nikon P1000 can actually bring ships back from behind the “curve”.
wow, observation effects, these people are quantum idiots.
I thought they only believe their own eyes
dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh!
Yo I think I gotta add this to my D&D campaign setting
I’m imagining you ruining your players’ suspension of disbelief by including something that real people in the real world really believe.
I hope it doesn't! I hope they see it or hear of it and are intrigued. Maybe they wonder if something exciting is going on there, and want to check it out.
Idk yet, but they're probably resulting from a leak from the elemental plane of water, or a leyline nexus or something there and water magic is stronger there and so there is a flotilla of wizards trying to study it under the harsh conditions. Or it could be a hole in the world and somewhere else there is a big whirlpool, and the wrecks get spit out at the top of the water mountain and there is a whole culture of salvagers who explore the turbulence and dive for treasures. Maybe an empire of sea elves has been magically growing it for decades with the intention of using it as a weaponized tsunami so they can raid and conquer farther inland. I love irl conspiracy shit like this that asks more questions than it answers, because in a fantasy setting the answers get to be cool.
Ken M, is that you? (i hope so!)
Awh man I miss Ken M
Do you mean Ken Ham? Oo
I have never met a flat earther, but if I did and she was hot I'd see what else I could convince her to believe.
It's fantastic for the skin, I swear, I saw it in Oprah.
There's a simple reason why you have to make up water mountains to picture the horizon:
Scale issue.
More like skill issues
I refuse to accept ships disappear behind something because I have never seen a ship disappear behind anything.
In my extensive experience of watching ships (I live near the coast and near a nationally significant port), I find that by the time they're far enough away to be disappearing, they're also small, indistinct and hazy. I can't honestly tell you that in many years of looking, I've ever seen a clear cut case of the bottom of the ship disappearing before the top. It's all very indistinct indeed.
If you want to convince flat earthers, the ship past the horizon thing isn't going to do it.
There is no convincing them through any kind of logic or observation. The logical proof of the shape and size of the earth is remarkably simple and straightforward, with math any trigonometry or geometry student could prove on their own. Eratosthenes did it a few thousand years ago with observations from a deep well and the shadow of a vertical rod a significant and measureable distance apart on the same day at the same time. These are simple and direct observations that anyone could make and repeat themselves. If Eratosthenes proof isn't clear enough to them, nothing will be.
There was even a documentary in which self professed flat-earthers performed a variation of this experiment with some careful arrangement of a laser over a large lake. Unsurprisingly, they did measure the curvature of the earth (with much less precision than Eratosthenes), but they still couldn't accept the results.
Imagine if we had some kind of tool we could use to see far away...
Just a quick question.
How does one go about hiding a ship in a glacier?
Okay. Make that two questions.
Why does one hide a ship in a glacier?!
So that one day, the shape-shifting alien can thaw and gobble up the entire crew of a research station?
Water mountain, aka an iceberg. Checkmate, atheists.
This is such a fascinating concept, because it misses the truth by millimeters. Complete lack of self awareness.
Grandpa was a ball earthist... It's a shame we all carry in my family.
On another note, THE GOP JUST FUCKING DECIMATED ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH CARE IN THE US, DIDN'T THEY? These folks just get to walk around, mid manic episode, pointing rifles at poll workers, licking doorknobs during COVID, injecting bleach and horse paste into their eyeballs, committing January 6th while stabbing cops with sharpened flagpoles and worshipping a compulsive liar and convicted felon who doesn't know where he is half the time...
We used to have places these folks could go to get help.
Hmmm. That would finally explain water skiing.
They probably saw it on Interstellar.
Show me in the bowl of water how it's done
I really wanted to like Interstellar, but that whole "love can transcend dimensions" thing just really killed it for me. I mean the notion is lovely and so on, but it'd been doing a pretty good job at being a hard scifi story so it felt like a letdown to have that sort of hokey nonexplanation for the big picture, like the Nolans just gave up with the script at some point
If you ignore that one monolog and just accept that the extra-dimensional aliens/future human entities didn't understand how to communicate with his daughter using only gravity, so they captured her father and had him do it, it makes a lot more sense.
And really that is what the script is trying to say... I think. It's just very ham-fisted and ranty which does happen in Nolen movies. Basically "these beings have all the power in the universe compared to us, but without knowing (loving) the person they're trying to reach they can't find a way to get the message across."
Honestly in my head-cannon, the dude just went from self-sacrificing by falling into a black hole to looking at his daughter when she was trying to convince him not to leave. He's more than a little emotional and we can't expect him to make perfect sense.
I'mm clearly having trouble seeing the mountain for all these ships.
