Im bombed by leftist propaganda
They are correct, but not how they think. A big part of conservatism, even among the less fanatical, is to bury your head in the sand. I can see how peeking out for some air will seem like a flood of propaganda. Like that "final experiment" that just went down to dunk on flat earth, but for even the most mundane thing about how society works.
That's not really true. Going to specific places for specific things is very different to putting one's head in the sand. If you make such assumptions about your opposing tribes you'll continue to increase social division, and that's the core of this mess.
Edit: Calm the fuck down. This is not where the war you want will be fought, and if it happens, you won't be depended on to make a difference until the attrition gets really, really dire.
Edit edit: Ooooooooh. I'm in Reddit. A'doi!
The issue isn't fucking "social division".
It's that one of the established American political parties went bat shit crazy and abandoned every principle they ever had in the naked pursuit of bigotry and power.
Any time you spread "both sides" bullshit, *you're aiding a hard-right propaganda machine *
Visiting my family members that are conservative and their friends tell me their head is in the sand. After so long under, any dose of reality is too high for them.
Unfortunately for them, saber rattling quasi dictators pushing Nazi ideologies, consorting with admitted neo Nazis, frequently spewing Nazi quotes, and doing the actual fucking Nazi salute... Kinda invades and consumes everyone's life.
And they sure don't want you to bring it up. I can only guess because either they themselves are Nazis, or because they don't want to feel or admit responsibility for the human scum they vote for.
Going to specific places for specific things is very different to putting one’s head in the sand.
Going to /r/politics and panicking because its not politics I like is putting one's head in the sand.
I don't understand how what you said isn't burying one's head in the sand
I'd love to see a flame war between MAGA conservatives and Hexbear tankies. Horseshoe theory manifest.
As someone said on reddit they don't want a safe space for them.
what they want is to be enabled to shit on everyone else's food and smirk at us while we try to separate their shit from our beans.
It is a power dynamic where they want to force their shit upon us.
they already have their safe space on r/conservative where they go to circle jerk around "the left is bad".
They do get tired from that and there is no new "left is bad" if the entire political spectrum was composed of them.
Far right and conservative hate is a self cannibalizing movement.
Even if they killed all gay, black, hispanic, asian, autistic, disabled and any sort of "the other", then, they would need to find new "others" to start to hate and kill. Their fight is always inward, against the enemy within.
They will proceed to kill white people because either they are not white enough or that they are too white ("ginger" people which should've be considered the "correct type of white" if racism ever made any sense since they are paler than almost any other ethnicity).
So, they need an existing enemy and a platform that enables them to shit on us.
If they ever come to lemmy, the correct path is to ban as soon as they shou their true colors and start to throw shit around.
It only requires a few probing question to know if someone is in good or bad faith.
When the comment goes into 5 or more replies, it is almost always for sure that the conservative answering is in bad faith (only exception is if they clearly show that they are learning something with the discussion and adapting their viewpoints with each new comment)
Yep. Just a reminder that Irish and Italian people were not considered "white" in the US until relatively recently.
We used to have distinct legal terms for each degree of "blackness" in someone's background. If you had one black grandfather, the government had a term for you. None of this is new to the US.
The Hexbears think the conservatives are already here...
I'd imagine they don't, because we're likely lumped in with Bluesky. And if some do make it here, they normally get reported on main instances, and their instances would unlikely remain federated for long.
I guess they're getting mad about arguing with themselves and are looking for the traditional captive audience they thought they had.
PSA: IF THE TROLLS DO MIGRATE HERE, DO NOT FEED THEM. BLOCK AND REPORT IF THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING A PRODUCTIVE, CIVIL CONVERSATION.
I'm not interested in having a civil conversation with fascists either
Unless they come out the gate swinging, please be careful. I don't know about you, but I want to get as many people as possible on board with combating the far right.
Attacking somebody who is legitimately trying to learn will only entrench them deeper in their prior beliefs. It might take a few sentences to find out if they are being genuine, but if you can change their perspective, it is worth it.
I read some of their garbage. They are in total denial as usual. They think it's all bots, apparently can't comprehend that so many people would be revolted by nazis.
Of course. They can’t accept that they’re the weirdos.
Honestly, I kind of hope they do.
Every time they experience the slightest indication that their views aren't normal or reasonable, they lose a little bit of confidence and a little bit of power.
Think about the "weird" moment last summer. Walz had Republicans sputtering and whining about how they totally aren't weird at all. The best Trump could come up with was "no u!" I think, if Harris had maintained that energy, she'd have been inaugurated this week. And speaking of this week, Trump is all offended and in a tizzy because an Episcopal priest read him the words of Jesus on Tuesday.
The slightest speedbump or disfavor spins them out.
Now. What community on the internet is more disfavorable toward conservatives than Lemmy? It's nothing but speedbumps for them over here. They'd last approximately an hour and a half, and they'd see a more united resistance than they've ever imagined from corporate-owned media. Some of them might even realize that the mainstream socials are actually preferential toward them, and maybe reevaluate some opinions. For a moment, they'd see how weird they are.
Filter bubbles aren't inherently bad. But when they're holding together an odious group in a terrible shared delusion, they need to be popped. Lemmy might pop their bubble, at least a little bit.
Let them come. I pity their bar tabs.
The moderation practices on that subreddit have created an environment where dissenting opinions are swiftly and permanently banned. This approach has fostered an echo chamber where only one perspective is allowed to thrive, reinforcing a cycle of confirmation bias and groupthink. As a result, most conservative posts lack depth and often resemble oversimplified memes rather than meaningful discourse.
Even when an opposing viewpoint manages to slip through, it’s often dismissed as artificial or the work of bots. This mindset reveals how deeply entrenched their worldview has become—so much so that they struggle to believe that differing opinions could be genuine. It’s a surreal and unfortunate dynamic that stifles any chance of productive discussion.
A sure sign of their self delusion is that this sub admits "satire" posts, in what is supposed to be for discussing conservative topics.
Because leftists are not as inconsiderate as them, they have to make up imaginary stories to expel their rancor.
Why would they come to lemmy if they're sick of the left? Lemmy is the most left place on the internet
"So nice to be out of that frying pan!"
"Hey Lemmy, do you guys accept conserv--"
"RICH PEOPLE TASTE BEST WHEN YOU FRY THEM IN ORGANIC OIL"
you know how nazis ruin everything?
Yeah. Germany for example. If it weren't for the mercy of the victors, and the massive development aid Germany received under the Marshal plan, then Germany would be much poorer today. You just need to compare the territory for the former DDR to the rest of Germany to get an idea.
Exactly, one look at All would probably be enough to make them faint lmao
They're already here, so much Nazi apologia has appeared all of a sudden.
Yeah, I have seen a few “Roman salute… throwing his heart… autistic… etc” people in the threads about Edolf Muskler’s salute.
Also seen plenty centrist democrats blame protest voters as if that had more of an effect than the democrats bending over for republicans.
Glad I am not the only one to have noticed.
A hilarious part of this thread was that they convinced themselves that X couldn't possibly be that unpopular and it had to be a bunch of bots posting and upvoting these threads to ban X.
In support of this they said "This post about banning X is the [n]th most popular post ever on /r/LiverpoolFC, even higher than when they won the champions league! It can't be real". They didn't even consider that the post about banning X made it to the top of /r/all where a lot of people who couldn't care less about football/futbol/soccer upvoted it. They couldn't care less about that team, but they also supported banning X, so they upvoted.
context? did i miss reddit drama?
I dunno, the story seems pretty self-contained lol...
Crazy
Cries about propaganda inside of a propaganda sub. r/Conservative users are an incredible bunch.
They need their safe space away from all those bullies 😭
getting spammed with Bluesky
This is such a weird sentiment. As though links to any information outside the walled garden is inherently worthless.
every subreddit has been astroturfed to the extreme
Hi, hello, yes. Welcome to the year 2016.
They equate bluesky with leftists because its where most peopme went when twitter got too racist, and because now a lot of subreddits have banned links to twitter altogether.
Generally (reddit) cons don't even want stuff from outside their own sub, so it makes sense why they'd hate any bluesky links
Who else is fully expecting Reddit admins to come out in a few days banning twitter bans, and banning anyone that tries to enforce them?
They should just make their own Lemmy instance and stop bitching.
But then they would get defederated and have to face the fact that everybody hates them, and that wouldn't be as fun as doing their hate speech with a big daddy corporation to shield them from the consequences.
Iirc truth social is just a mastadon instance or something.
That's basically correct, it's based on mastodon code and not federated.
They are far too stupid and disorganized to create.
A whole lot of their worldview seems centered on their inability to create or improve things.
It's kind of funny; I remember conservative messaging about personal responsibility. But when they're on the receiving end of that same messaging it's just a personal insult, apparently.
People are so fucking stupid. Liberals complain that Reddit is too conservative now. Conservatives complain that it's too liberal. Well which is it?
Its both because they pander to the popular, which is why anything thays actually useful, funny, or satirical gets banned on that site.
That’s the problem with reddit
Mods have complete control of how left or right a given community is so you will always see the one you don’t like if you look for it
Like someone said below, it's the mods that are the problem.
Try to say something about Israeli genocide on Reddit and you will quickly find out it is also admins who are the problem.
thats that controversy feeding algorithim
It could be that people are just getting more polarized or at least more vocal about all political beliefs? Maybe? I'm not really sure, tbh.
depends on which sub you go to.
People are so fucking stupid. Liberals complain that Reddit is shit now because of the conservatives. Conservatives complain that it's shit because of the liberals. Well which is it?
Slightly rephrased.
Every once in a great while the people of Reddit do the right thing and I'm proud of every one of them that took a stand. Even the BBC is calling it an awkward gesture and they aren't owned by right wing billionaires in the US. Not ONE media news org here has called the obvious. Sanewashing. Wish I'd never heard the term.
I will play devil's advocate. Media outlets are scared of being sued for defamation or scrutinised for what may turn out to be misleading news. That's why there are always referring to "sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity" or adopt a mild language to refer to something. But if I am a news publisher, I would describe Musk's gesture as "appears to be Nazi salute" or to that effect. It is still calling it out as it is, but I would still have plausible deniability.
I see your point ... Fear of retribution through the FCC is now a real thing. This is how it begins though - first they ban free speech and any dissent and then the ones that still stand up will be disappeared.
Plus it's likely that if you post any criticism of Musk whatsoever you get a lawsuit automatically. That's what rich people do. They can afford it. Its like having a VPN or an alarm system on your house. They send their lawyers.
The biggest issue is that the media is focusing on just this one incident in specific. They're acting as if whether or not musk is a nazi hinges exclusively on if it was meant as a seig heil or not.
Ultimately his nazi salute is just the latest in a very very long line of racist and intolerant shit he's said, done, and perpetuated. Regardless or whether he seig heiled or not, he's still a nazi.
lmao
u/MountainMan88 blocked me after calling his thinly veiled bullshit out over on reddit and was crying about it on r/Conservative.
So much for not needing safe spaces and echo chambers.
I support any efforts to point out who the real snowflakes are. "Waahh I can't be a racist Nazi in public sobs it's just not fair!!1!"
They've tried a few times on their own instances (ExplodingHeads). They got purged and defederated so fast that they gave up as I've not seen more than 1 or 2 spammers shown up since.
They will not join mainstream instances obviously, and we can defederate them.
Why is that obvious?
Well, I hear LW described as "people that want it to be like reddit" so maybe because LW is large and seen as very reddit-like in terms of rules/policy they wouldn't want to join current popular instances.
They can stick to [email protected], I don't mind them when in their own space. Crazies have truthless social anyway.
Nah fuck that they already have their own space and even whole platforms, Xitter, Facebook/Instagram, and "Truth" Social
Oh, nice! I'm not yet banned from that subreddit!
Lets change that :D
That subreddit is an absolute dumpster fire of stupidity.
I mean I left that cesspool a while ago, but reddit being to liberal has fuckall to do with why I left it.
Conservatives lie in their very word choices.
"Somebody pointed out I was wrong about something" = propaganda
"Conservatives lost" = it wasn't fair
Stuff like that. Take the opportunity to talk about things in ways that leave the reader understanding more clearly when you see lying word choices like the ones in this screencap.
Let them come, they may learn something.
Good one
I'm gonna say that I'm happy for everyone to have their own, public and community run social media. Those without harmful views are welcome to participate in discussions, and those with harmful view may be banned but eventually mature past those harmful views by being outside of elon/Russia misinformation chambers.
I worry that all banning does is push people into the echo chambers that started this whole thing to begin with. We don't want assholes causing problems for everyone, but locking them out only deepens their resolve.
Hard disagree. We come from a time where there was no place for everyone to share their views, people were okay. They had their bubbles (they were called pubs) and read their newspaper.
Then we formed one place for everyone to be (or a couple walled gardens) and those started getting people riled up and fighting. But it was the algorithm that loves engagement (eg fight) that drove them apart.
I love the idea of being back and in the pubs where you can just be with your friends and you just dont go to the nazi pub.
Yes, banning is great. Free speech absolutism can suck my cock.
Conservatism is for people who can't think for them selves. They Can't comprehend there are different needs for many different peoples. They need to be told how to live, love, and even act. Education can solve the issue but those kinds of people don't want education they want everything to be under their control their ideology.
It's the definitian of the Hobbesean "right", that human nature is monstrous, beastly and war-like, and that we need to rely on a "better few" to monopolize violence to keep everyone in order. They don't believe that people are capable of self-governance because they don't do it themselves. The Rousseau "left" believe that we're egalitarian by nature, and that we're innately good in small populations but have naturally strayed from our egalitarian origins because of civilization. Anarchists understand that both of these are incorrect.
Wouldn’t you believe it, everything insults them, everyone is against them.
Then why is conservatism still the most frequent mental disorder!?
John Stuart Mill has this to say:
“I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. Suppose any party, in addition to whatever share it may possess of the ability of the community, has nearly the whole of its stupidity, that party must, by the law of its constitution, be the stupidest party.... It may be said that if stupidity has a tendency to Conservatism, sciolism, or half-knowledge, has a tendency to Liberalism.
I have grown appreciation to respect some conservative ideas. As I grow older, I see why some look for stability. There is plenty of good debate when it comes fiscal responsibility and gradual reformism, but this doesn't mean I would reject lgbt rights or support gutting welfare. But yes, generally stupid people seem to gravitate in the direction of conservatism or right.
PS. As a left leaning person, I also agree with Mill's point about liberals but that is a different topic for another time.
Edit: autoco-wreck
The problem with this current sect of conservative cultists is that even though they claim to like those few halfway decent ideals, they actually don't, because they give zero fucks when elected Republicans actively do the exact opposite, and conversely if a Democrat did what they claim to like, they'd be furious.
Has /r/Conservative been flooded with non-racists or something?
Nah, they'll probably flee to one of those alt-right dollar store reddit replacements that popped up a few years ago. Assuming they are still in operation.
I know the de facto attitude in the fediverse is to slag off Reddit, but I worry that they have a target on their back now. They are one of the last few big places online for Americans where left leaning and progressive thought predominates. It won't surprise me if Ketamine Nazi/Trump and the MAGA crowd make them a public enemy soon.
Good, then they’ll come here. Only thing this place is missing is users.
They won't, for them it's a leftist lair far worse than Reddit.
Well, it is... that's why I fit right in.
And so do I
??? their guy put a literal neo-nazi in a position of power and they're calling acknowledging this "propaganda"
The minor technical barrier to entry, thankfully, throttles the amount of stupid the gets into community sites and such, like Lemmy. Remember that some gatekeeping can be a good thing because even anyone can use a thing, anyone will use that thing.
Goodbye conservative, you will not be missed
Idc if they come here. I won’t see them.
Funny, that's exactly the inverse of how I feel anytime I check in on Reddit, but I was subscribed to a lot of conspiracy subreddits.
They didn't used to be like that 😢
r/thedonald really was a plague.
I've been thinking how to avoid running into other seedy characters like those spouting now other foreign propaganda like of China and Russia. I can't imagine I will ever get away from them, but how to minimise it. In the old days I used IRC where communities were very small, or forums where we were all into some niche and we stayed away from that. But now you cannot escape this shit. One possibility I thought is just to avoid big servers like world and keep to more local instances.
Downvote and block, repeat as long as it takes. Eventually, the amount of shit takes will be limited, especially if you minimise the use of /all/.
Oh they would get shit on so hard kinda would be nice to see
Why are blue sky links bad?
Because they are all libtards in that posters mind
I think stormfront registration is still open.
Why you think we are here! I should have made the move much earlier.
Redshit as usual.
Picture of text. Much mad.
Lemmy has already been affected. It's actually worse than Reddit right now in my experience.
In what way
Lemmy is even worse. Can't have any other opinion then what aligns with the leftist bluesky people or you're down voted into oblivion. There is no room for nuance or a civil discussion. I don't care I'm gonna be down voted and the orange man has some good ideas. I'm not from the US. Have a good day.
