Kelsey Grammer sounded curt this morning when he brusquely told a BBC Today program interviewer that he still supports Donald Trump but, according to his interviewer, this curtness doesn’t te…
Kelsey Grammer sounded curt this morning when he brusquely told a BBC Today program interviewer that he still supports Donald Trump but, according to his interviewer, this curtness doesn’t tell the full story.
Grammer’s interviewer Justin Webb said the Frasier star was “perfectly happy” to go on talking about his support for the former POTUS, “the Paramount+ PR team, less so.”
Grammer has previously expressed support for Trump – a relatively rare position for a TV and movie star to take – and he also used his BBC interview to back Roseanne Barr, another self-confessed Trump supporter.
Original Frasier is still one of the all time amazing shows. And that is almost entirely because of the "supporting cast" of David Hyde Pearce, John Mahoney, Jane Leeves, and Peri Gilpin. It is 100% still worth watching and it is even clear what episodes/seasons they were working around Grammer being coked out of his mind or otherwise problematic.
Its not quite Person of Interest's (paraphrasing only because I can't look up the specific wording right now) "he is like a dog that pissed everywhere and wouldn't stop talking about hitler" mess, but Grammer also generally seems more like a dumbass Bush-era Republican as opposed to a full alt-right lunatic. He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also "a product of his time" as it were.
As for new Frasier? I am a lot less interested in watching that. Mostly because, as so many of us point out, "They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character"*
But OG Frasier? The show increasingly became focused around Niles (which makes sense since Niles was a lot closer to what Cheers-era Frasier actually was) and David Hyde Pearce put on multiple master classes as he and the writers somehow managed to perfectly capture "the adult millennial" years before we even existed. And so many of the interactions with Martin (Mahoney) hit so much harder as you have lived a lot longer and had to acknowledge the failings of others. Daphne and Roz were often stuck in comic relief mode, but Leeves and Gilpin still kick ass when they are given a chance to shine. And, piece of shit that he is, Grammer can pull off an epic monologue to close out an emotional arc and leave you on the verge of tears, right before you burst into laughter at the punchline.
*: Also, it very much bothers me that Freddy became Martin. Maybe they go into it more, but his childhood very much established him as the offspring of Frasier and Lilith. And while it makes sense that he would rebel against his overbearing parents to be like his fun and "man of the people" Grandfather, it is completely unearned. Maybe the back half of the season does that but... I still think that having one of Niles's children (maybe a daughter) as the Martin role would be a lot more fitting. Niles dealing with a Firefighter child is comedic gold and Niles and Daphne are much more likely to "let their kids be who they are". And it would play on The Moon Genes fears of the last few episodes.
I don’t know that I’d list Frazier as one of the all time amazing shows. That’s something I’d reserve for shows like Schitt’s Creek, Good Place, and The Wire. A show like MASH. All in the Family, which surfaced so much of what was happening in society at the time. The Jeffersons.
I’d rank Frasier closer to something like Friends or Dharma and Greg. Definitely below Seinfeld or 30 Rock. It was funny. It had good writers and the characters exhibited a chemistry that made the show work as a show, but beyond that it was pretty ephemeral. That’s just my opinion.
One doesn't have to, if one doesn't want to. I don't listen much to Michael Jackson (though I have a soft spot for Thriller), but I'm also not 100% sold on the allegations made against him.
Kelsey Grammar has always been a bible bashing whack job.
Just go look up his late night interview where he talks about how he randomly opens the bible to answer the question ‘how long will I live for?’ And is satisfied that god answers him by saying he will live to 160 (or some other ridiculous figure I can’t remember).
Seriously he thinks the bible is a magic eight ball and god is guiding what page it turns to.
I seem to remember that you're fairly explicitly not supposed to use it like that. Because it's akin to fortune telling or something which is supposed to be bad under the Bible, a broken clock and all that.
Paramount Plus is so desperate to keep me as a customer that they keep giving me free months of service, without advertising. I just threaten to end my subscription and they're all like, "Augh! Please come back! Look, you can have two more months on us... just don't go!"
The real mystery is how did they get Kevin Sorbo to play Hercules, I mean surely a religious fanatic like him is horrified knowing that he played a pagan God
I've not heard good things. I did like the original, so I checked out the reviews on the reboot to see if I needed to put it in the queue. The reviews left me thinking it was better off missed and this information just seals it.
They basically turned Freddy into Martin so they could rehash all the jokes from the original and throw all Frasier's character development coming to terms with his dad's flair out the window.
And it feels like they became very self aware of that because the episodes I saw most recently are trying to reframe it as Frasier just having firefighter family's anxiety and also resenting the popification of his psych show, but specifically in a way that mocks women who watch daytime television for being a demographic TV producers would cater a show to if it aired during the daytime television time slots.
Grammer never went full "Kirk Cameron" with his professional career, but he's always been super right-wing, and the guy has some notable bible thumper and anti-abortion flicks on his IMDB page. He's done a decent job of keeping his fringy beliefs out of the press.
I disagree with his stand but think it doesn't make sense to cut him off. Let him explain it, let him dig his own hole, let the ideas be questioned. It's the BBC not Fox.
They're not calling for him to be "cancelled". They're just not going to view his stuff anymore. Any individual doesn't need a reason to stop doing something they've engaged in willingly. Unless you didn't mean to reply to the comment you did.
To them conservatism can never fail. It can only be failed, because you didn't conservative hard enough. There is no introspection, no critical thinking. Only doubling down. Because otherwise all the suffering would have been for naught.
The show might've been named Frasier but Niles and Martin (dad) were absolutely crucial to the dynamic and success the show found. Without them it's missing 2/3rd of the team and is just another sequel churned out by Execs with no idea how to make a good show and only interested in making another dollar.
His son in the show is fucking awful too. The character is written and acted totally unlikeable. And Niles’ son is cringey like Sheldon from BBT and I just cannot get into it. Doubt it will last.
It’s ok. Frazier reboot is unlikely to get renewed. People didn’t watch the original for Kelsey. They watched it for the talented ensemble and skillful writing.
The season where Kelsey Grammar was in rehab and Niles was effectively the main character was the best season of the original show by fucking miles. He should always have been the secondary character.
The two bits that I loved the most were Niles attempting to Iron pants and Niles having a shaving cream can explode on him when everyone thought he was suicidal.
I love Frasier. Hes always been a Republican but knows how to laugh at himself. He plays smart characters who do incredibly stupid things. He used to go on late night shows and talk about how stupid his choices are. He plays Sideshow Bob on the Simpsons.
His show also recently got a revival, so there's a brand new season of Frasier.
But the support of psychopath Roseanne...? Kelsey Grammer, wtf.
yeah, but the new frasier doesnt have David Hyde Pierce.. Who was a bigger star and draw on Fraiser than Kelsey "I heart Trumps Pumpkinspiced Cock" Grammer ever could hope to be.
I think its the other way around. What got trump elected was that they could rightly spin this quasi hate hysteria to their advantage. Articles witch hunting celebrities simply based on their political opinion/views helped fuel and grow the trump base.
Is anyone here calling for it to be canceled outright? If it's canceled because people don't want to watch it because they think an actor sucks as a human, that's just the free market, right? If it was a better show/actor, they'll still do alright (look at Tom Cruise or any number of problematic actors).
You know you've lost the argument when you stop defending your views and instead pivot to strawman defending your right to have them in spite of them beint indefensible.