Vice President Kamala Harris said Washington will not allow for the forced relocations of Palestinians or any redrawing of the current border of the Gaza Strip in a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.
Vice President Kamala Harris said in a meeting Saturday with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi that Washington will not allow for the forced relocation of Palestinians or any redrawing of the current border of the Gaza Strip.
“Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza,” Harris said, according to a statement from the vice president’s office.
Nobody wants it to happen, the truth is that even the Arab world wants Palestine beaten and shoved into a corner, so they can keep using them as an excuse to hate. They don't actually care about Palestinians, neither does Europe, that's why they don't want refugees or take in Palestinians who want out.
The Arab world has already taken millions of Palestinians.
Pretty sure those countries doesn't want yet more for:
the same reason no country wants a higher per capita percentage of refugees these days and
because they don't want to give Israel and the US excuses to drone bomb them looking for HAMAS terrorists and
countries on the border with Israel don't want it to have a reason for coming over their borders all the time, because that would likely end in border redrawings
The Israel-Palestine conflict does not make money for the US, the country. It makes money for a minority of people who have significant shares in companies from the military industry, who are enriching themselves from the taxes of their fellow citizens to finance Israel's policies.
They make Kamala say all the stuff that they fear might backfire. She was also put in charge of stopping illegal immigration, knowing they really didn't have any way to actually do it.
The politcians in power in the US are just using talkie-talk to try to hold off potential problems with a significant portion of their natural voters' outright abhorring Genocide and thus being unwilling to vote them back into power in the upcoming elections due to their support for those activelly comitting one.
Talk is the cheapest way there is to project an impression one way whilst continuing to act in exactly the opposite way.
Is it “mere talk” when Biden says US support for Israel is unconditional? No, we can and should criticize him for that because those words encourage Israel to act without restraint. But, conversely, when the US signals that they will not support actions like forced relocation, we should also see that as a corrective, not “mere talk”.
To your point, in IR theory, there also exists phenomena such as the paradox of empty promises, where making unfulfilled promises can worsen human rights. But that claim is more nuanced: the problem occurs when promises are empty. That doesn’t mean all promises are empty or promising doesn’t matter. Public declarations are a necessary step (but insufficient on their own) to justify further action.
Kinda silly in my opinion. What exactly do they think the systematic destruction of Gaza is? People should live in the rubble?
They can't rebuild since those kinds of tools could be used for weapons according to Israel.
I see a lot of similarities between WWII Jewish ghettos and modern day Gaza. It looks like an aggregate oppressed becomes the oppressor syndrome, but I'm probably wrong.
And yet she’s giving Israel bombs to destroy people’s homes. Literally forcibly relocating them. Never mind that 70% of Gazans were forcibly relocated from their land 75 years ago.
These statements are just cover for more Israeli murder. It’s designed to make people feel complacent.
Wait so 70% of Gazans were forcibly relocated, why 50% of Gaza are children under 18...
Make up your mind over your made up numbers please.
And calling this war "Israeli murder" is ignoring the existence of actual terrorists who keep innocent civilians hostage, and who targeted attacked and murdered over 1,000 innocents.
Um.... They've already been pushed out of their homes and relocated. That was under the "circumstance" of Israel invading and killing them. I don't think the phrase "under no circumstances" applies here.
Lol what? Does anyone here think anyone in Israel is going to kill 2 million Gazans?
It's like no one here knows the difference between mass killings and wars. You don't evacuate civilians in mass killings, you slaughter them in their homes (sort of like what Hamas did on 7/10)
And what Israel is doing now. I think the issue here is that we get the sense that the only thing keeping it from killing all 2 million Gazans is the international pressure.
Read a bit about this conflict. This isn't an isolated case, violence in Palestine between arabs and jews has existed since the 19th century. This is just an escalation of that violence, from both sides.
Yeah and before that there were Jews living in Palestine in peace. Until the Europeans decided they wanted to eject all the Jews from their population because the Europeans were incredibly anti semitic.
Then those colonist Zionists got weapons from the Europeans and killed the natives with it.
Jews are the natives. Literally the Aramaic way of saying Jew means of the Levant region. You have no clue what you are talking about. Palestinians are refugees that no one wants. Not even their Islamic brethren in other countries. Israel worked to negotiate many peace deals and even had a work visa program. The apartheid-style sanctions were due to security constraints because the Palestinians kept blowing shit up. If people the next town over from you drive into your town an burned down your house randomly, you would eventually put up military checkpoints as well. Many of the radicalized Palestinians don’t appreciate Western culture and think that it’s an affront of their religion. They want women to have minimal rights. It blows me away that many left-leaning individuals want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny.
A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?
By that logic, can African Americans or Chinese Americans return to their respective continents, occupy an entire country by displacing its current population, and claim it as their ancestral land? How delusional.
And since when is "the period of Judah" an accurate historical reference point?
Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, was just a racist colonizer, and saw it as bringing 'civilization' to 'barbarians' as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
"We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence." Source [II]
Israel is just a modern western colony committing genocide on natives. It's keeping the middle-east divided and preventing them from uniting against the Imperial core.
Gaza has been an open-air prison trapping the natives the whole time. And you're trying to deny their right to fight back against colonizers and settlers? They're literally openly colonizing the West Bank right now with their whole "Area C" garbage. It's disgusting.
want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny
Jesus christ, the US and Europe are the ones constantly keeping the Middle East at war to keep oil cheap and military profits high, and keeping them from making societal progress. And I'm saying that as an ex-Muslim. This is literally British colonialist era racist thinking of seeing 'the other side' as barbarians.
The PFLP, the second largest Palestinian liberation group after Fatah, calls for a secular Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc. will live together in peace. Modern Fatah even accepts a two-state solution (and they have every right not to).
Only Hamas is mixing up Zionists with Jews, and that's entirely because of Israel and the Imperial core's constant oppression, displacement, and now genocide of the natives.
Palestinians are refugees that no one wants. Not even their Islamic brethren in other countries. Israel worked to negotiate many peace deals and even had a work visa program. The apartheid-style sanctions were due to security constraints because the Palestinians kept blowing shit up....Many of the radicalized Palestinians don’t appreciate Western culture and think that it’s an affront of their religion. They want women to have minimal rights. It blows me away that many left-leaning individuals want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny.
You sound like a child describing to their parent why one of their action toys was able to beat up one of their other action toys. You also seem to have very little ability to comprehend how you cannot make blanket generalizations about groups of millions of people, which coincidentally is the root of why the genocide of the Palestinian people is being allowed to happen.
First of all, Jew refers to both a religion and ethnicity, but in this context (Israel) is almost exclusively ethnic.
Palestinians are Jews (the religion), Christians and Muslims, not exclusively Muslim. The PLO is an explicitly religiously tolerant group whose logo was a menorah, cross and crescent moon.
Hamas, the Muslim Palestinian extremist group, was primarily funded and supported by Israel to break PLO dominance of Palestinian politics, because fighting a religiously tolerant nationalist movement that had recently commited to non-violence was bad optics internationally.
The Palestinians were forced at gunpoint to abandon their homes and move to Gaza and the West Bank during the Nakba in 1948.
blows me away that many left-leaning individuals want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny
If you're left-leaning too, I'd suggest looking at this through the wider lens of European/US Imperialism/Capitalism/Colonialism and how it keeps the global south from making economic or societal progress even after colonialism supposedly 'ended' in 1997 (not that long ago). Second Thought, Hakim, and Yugopnik make great videos on the topic.
Religion does certainly play a role in misogyny, but it's nothing that can't be overcome in a non-oppressive society imo.
Every major country recognizes Palestine as a country except for the US and Israel.
Edit: this is horribly wrong, all of western europe holds the same position as the US, and the number of countries that recognize palestine is padded with a high number of countries that aren't relevant to the conflict at all.
You're right that other Muslim majority countries do not want to take in Palestinians as refugees, but you're wrong that they are naturally refugees. They have homes, and half of their homes were bones into oblivion in these past few months.
I mean, it’s just going to be like past big conflicts. Where Israel claims people were not forced to relocate.
Folks won’t be “forced,” but their lives and their family’s lives will be at great risk if they don’t relocate - so a lot of people are going to relocate if they have the option. If they don’t, they’re basically sleeping on a shooting range.
Except sometimes the threats are backed up if it's convenient enough. The US doesn't always intentionally lie, there's just not much continuity of policies across administrations, so even if one president does genuinely agree to something- they can't really make their successor follow it. Especially if the successor strongly disagrees with them on most things.
Well shit, we couldn’t get Israel to acknowledge or respect borders in the past. There were no consequences then, so why should the Israeli government suddenly start caring now? They’ll take whatever they want, and the most that America might do is make a qualified, watered down complaint while still providing Israel with whatever military aid they ask for.
Ha. Yeah genuinely its such a giveaway when they send Harris to say these things. They're betting her reputation that this might blow up in their faces. Its either lies or a significant chance they are bluffing.
I don't think Israel minds the borders of Gaza remaining as is, just as long as there aren't any Palestinians living there. They'll "voluntarily" relocate, for humanitarian reasons, since most of the infrastructure, houses, and hospitals happened to fall down.
Frankly, the scale of civilian suffering, and the images and videos coming from Gaza are devastating,” Harris said at a press conference in Dubai.
Israel said its military campaign in Gaza is aimed at destroying Hamas, the militant Islamist group responsible for the October 7 terror attack that left more than 1,200 Israelis dead and saw another 240 taken hostage.
However, regional leaders like Jordan’s King Abdullah II have expressed concerns that Israel could use the conflict to seize parts of Gaza or expel its Palestinian residents.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told CNN in November that Israel’s security role in a post-war Gaza would be an “over-riding, over-reaching military envelope,” but did not explain what that meant.
During their meeting, Harris and Sisi discussed “ideas for post-conflict planning in Gaza including efforts on reconstruction, security, and governance,” the statement said.
Harris also spoke with the Emir of Qatar after negotiations over resuming a pause in hostilities between Israel and Hamas appeared to break down on Saturday, according to a White House official.
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Lofty words, but a moot point. There's nowhere for the Palestinians in Gaza to be forcefully relocated to - Egypt doesn't want them, and neither do any of Israel's other Arab neighbors.
This is not a direct response to your comment, it just triggered a thought: The notion that neighboring Arab countries should take in Arab refugees, because Arab, is super-racist when one stops to think about it. The flip side of that argument is that Europe has no responsibility to take in African refugees because they're "not like us," and the United States is justified in turning away Central American migrants because "we have too many of 'those people' here already."
I don't think it's racist to acknowledge that it's easier for a country to take in refugees who share the culture, religion, and language of the majority of the population. Europe's integration of refugees who don't have these things in common hasn't gone very well. The USA generally does better, but that may just be because most of the refugees showing up here can integrate into the large existing community of Spanish-speakers.
I'm not making this argument myself, but I can see how someone could argue that "we have too many of 'those people' here already" without being racist if "those people" are poor foreigners who don't have the skills (language and higher education) necessary to thrive here.
its money. its always about money. america is a thug for hire. we are bought and paid for to use our weapons and expertise to police the planet. the people profiting will never let it end.
We are not the thug for hire, we are the rich daddy who pays off the credit card when his cute daughter calls and sweet talks him, then uses it to go buy a bunch of lingerie and lube to get anal trained.
If we don't think it's in our interests to further our goals, we're going to sit on our ass and do nothing. Because we don't need to do things that don't benefit us.
Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians
After 40 years they're finally not going to permit it? That's great news! Will they enforce the 1948 border, and how will they compensate Palestine for the land taken for that alone?