Just like fascists, tankies could theoretically hang out here without getting the boot. It's just that genocide denying authoritarians cannot be tolerated in a tolerant, democratic society. The reason tankies and fascists get the boot is because they can't resist trying to bully and intimidate those that find their views abhorrent. They simply can't resist being terrible.
They're cultists with views that can't stand up to scrutiny, so they need use other tactics to spread their shit and gain power. They use the real downsides and weaknesses of democracy to argue we need an even worse system. Then they argue you actually hold the worst views of their enemies, even though they usually support exactly the same things that make those enemies bad. Tankies claim you're a free-market liberal for opposing them, when the countries they support are state capitalists. Fascists claim you're against freedom of speech, while they are always trying to ban ideas they hate. Some of them are misguided and believe their own lies, but others are just awful people.
Tankies traditionally are associated with communists, but today's tankies (even those that call themselves communists) are really after authoritarianism than communism, and given the history of the name (that they supported using tracks on civilians). I don't think they're is much difference between current communists and current fascists, both groups seem to support authoritarianism and feels like term "tankies" fits both of them well.
I hate it when threads like this make me have to repeatedly post the mainstream Jewish holocaust historian "stop conflating fascism and communism" article
Yes, when it comes to the axis from authoritarian to anarchist. Things all tend to narrow in to a single point at either end. In regards to authoritarians, it's all about the hierarchy and holding power for themselves. They don't give a shit what form of government sits under that. When it comes to anarchists and libertarians, no government other than a largely flat form of socialism is acceptable. Simply because they are focused on freedoms both individual and social. And large monolithic hierarchies tend to get in the way of that.
And when I use the term libertarian I of course mean actual libertarians. Not temporarily embarrassed Republicans, or teenage capitalists. The easiest test to find out whether someone might accidentally be a libertarian or not. Is to find out if they belong to the Libertarian party, or ever plan to vote for their candidates. No one who would ever do that could ever be a libertarian lol
It's called campism and it's dumb teenager stuff.
🤔 There should be a fediverse-wide rule against genocidal rhetoric. Who cares what side it's from?
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I think we should consider the feelings of Hexbear users when posting or commenting.
If you think they'll dislike it, it's probably a good post.
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they don't have the ability to dislike, they removed the downvotes (i think) lmao
who is hexbear
These threads are odd to me, considering how many people call all communists tankies. The word seems to be used by anarchists, conservatives, communists, anti-communists, and more, and every person has a slightly different definition.
Half the people here could consider the other half to be the tankies everyone is mad at.
To be clear this isn't me saying "be nice to the tankies" this is me saying "the overuse of this word is confusing the shit out of me."
I'm an anarchist, we don't call anybody tankies. Tankies is a term coming from the UK i think the 80s some eastern european nation was taken over by the USSR and some Brittish came out in support of it. So they were called tankies.
These political fighting words need to be layed to rest. Communists hate me as much as anybody else but I'd rather engage on the idea level instead of ad hominem attacks and name calling.
I suspect this whole tankie thing might be a coordinated propaganda campaign geared at discrediting communists and at the same time creating tension between them and other leftits. I suspect this as this whole infighting over small differences doesn't lead to a victory for the left but effectively disables and neutralizes it.
It became confusing when liberals learnt of the word - now they hurl the word at anyone who dares to remind them that being pro-capitalist is still a right-wing thing to be.
Capital co-opting and perversing anticapitalist rhetoric to its own benefit, in my Lemmy? It's more likely than you think.
Anybody left that is not libertarian or social democrat from what I've seen tbh. And often weaponised.
Maybe it's just the circles I run in, but I understand "tankie" to mean leftists who think Soviet/Maoist/vanguard-party styles of Communist revolution/rule were good, actually, to the point of denying any bad things they did/do as "Western propaganda".
Given the red scare in the US, our ability as a whole to use any sort of leftist political labels accurately across the population is basically non-existent, so I do understand the frustration by both tankies and non-tankie leftists about how the term gets used lately, especially in produce circles on social media.
But again maybe that's just me. I don't know if I would consider myself a communist, but I do consider myself as a yet undetermined variety of socialist, if that helps at all.
...because none of those groups are Tankies and they are all unified against Tankies.
Tankies aren't socialists or communists (not that those two things are the same either). They are the purist ideologues of communism, where compromise is defeat. Rampant in telling you why you're wrong, and why only the purest form of communism will bring nirvana. All without understanding the consequences of what they propose.
Even the Communists don't want them on their side.
I think you kinda missed my point. Sure, socialists and communists don't like tankies, but conservatives think the socialists and communists who don't like tankies are tankies. They aren't "unified against tankies", they don't agree who, what, and where "tankies" are.
Tankies aren’t socialists or communists (not that those two things are the same either). They are the purist ideologues of communism, where compromise is defeat.
They literally support a transitionary period and a capture of the bourgeois state for the interests of the proletariat instead of its immediate dissolution, compromise is the thing ultralefts criticize them for.
Then there's folks like me who have no idea what the term means, you're not alone in your confusion.
Edit: thanks for all the replies folks! TIL
Communists seem to be sad, pathetic people now. I thought ya'll had something, but you're all just a bunch of fractured apologists trying to get one over on each other.
Sad, ya'll actually had something going on at one point, now you're just irrelevant
Based AF
Fuck tankies
The guy needs a speech bubble that says "Stalin did nothing wr-"
"We should all look up to Chi-"
196 is one of the greatest
subscommunitiesya'll should be proud. Thank you for adding a little queer fun to my normal CIS life
Fuck tankies.
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Hey everyone, just a reminder:
- Yes Nazis are also bad, we don't have Nazis pop up anywhere near as often as Tankies
- We remove and ban Nazis too
- We're aware of Lemmy's main code writers being ML's, and it's not great.
- Please report any bigot bullshit, or fascist/tankie dogwhistles.
We’re aware of Lemmy’s main code writers being ML’s, and it’s not great.
I don't know why thats so bad? Why are MLs any different from other commies? Why are they being compared to fascists? whats going on?
MLs don't tolerate there being other commies but themselves. Got a different version of Marxism? That's counter-revolutionary and must be crushed. Advocating for something that doesn't agree with the party? Cannot be tolerated. A lot of this comes from the concept of democratic centralism, where high ranking party members can debate issues behind closed doors, but once the party votes on it, dissenters must shut up and pretend there is no disunity. It's the idea of a united front to an extreme. It inherently centralizes power and leads to lifelong dictatorships.
its not great
Then stop using it. I'm sick of you people building your stupid meme communities on top of good hard working communist laborers.
lol
It's funny that everyone is up in arms about this post but the literal sticky post says no tankies
Tankies can't read.
I think most of you need to worry way less about sounding sufficiently the "right kind" of leftist and focus more on promoting leftism through action. More than half the "tankie" discourse is, at best, a needless distraction from actual progress. Lose your buzzwords and stop the ideological purity pissing contest and actually put in the work in your communities instead, goddamn.
I'm not against the hostility being shown towards tankies here... but it should be remembered that there are a lot of well-meaning and well-intentioned people who get caught up in the technocratic ideology tankies buy into. Let's face it... if you google anything about leftism you are more likely to end up reading about Marx and Engels than Bakunin or Goldman - and right-wing propaganda is as perfectly fine with conflating everything "leftist" with the technocratic (ie authoritarian) left as tankies themselves are.
If we are leaving some doors open for fascists and capitalists who turn against their programming, we should remember to do the same for tankies.
As someone who's read Marx and lenin, and Bakunin and Goldman... not to mention kroptikin(god damn that guy bullshat his way through conquest of bread)
The anarchists always decry practical steps that are needed for the transition, but they have a poverty of ideas when it comes to propose better alternative solutions to the problems faced by actual revolutions. And frankly, reading their literature I understand why. They're still hung up on ideas and values and not material analysis much more than MLs. They're still trapped within liberal hegemonic thought though they are against liberal capitalism.
The stupid part is that the third-way labor parties and social democrats are doing a much better job at socialism than any Leninist or Maoist tradition. But every leftist space on the internet seems to hate these "fake socialists" as much as anything else. That's really all the evidence I need that these people are more interested in revolution fetish fan service than anything resembling actual statecraft.
The stupid part is that the third-way labor parties and social democrats are doing a much better job at socialism
Well... no, not really. It's not that leftists hate social democrats... every anarchist I've ever spoken to appreciates the effort of people like Bernie and AOC - it's just that we understand what they are allowed to do and what they aren't. The political establishment will allow them to protect capitalism from itself by restraining it's most obscene aspects it to a certain extent (and even such meagre self-protective measures are a bridge to far for the right-wing hivemind)... but that is all they could ever achieve.
Remember - no matter what the media hysterically screeches - the term socialism has a very hard and uncompromising meaning... a condition wherein the workers control the means of production. If it doesn't measure up to that or only pretends to measure up to that, we can't call it socialism with a straight face.
There's nothing wrong with reading Marx and Engels. They are the fathers of socialism. What isn't cool is defending authoritarian practices and genocide. I don't give a fuck if someone was too mentally weak to understand the garbage they were reading that led them to defend Mao and Stalin. They're a tankie. Not my problem that they're too stupid to know that their ideology is terrible. And leaving the door open for fascists to turn against the programming? Nah. It's 2023. People have made their choice.
Bakunin or Goldman
who are these people, i've only heard of marx and engels. Didn't they found the commie ideology?
who are these people, i’ve only heard of marx and engels.
Yes, and this is why...
and right-wing propaganda is as perfectly fine with conflating everything “leftist” with the technocratic (ie authoritarian) left as tankies themselves are.
There are two sides to the left... and they are violently incompatible. You've never heard of that other left because both tankies, fascists and capitalists like pretending that there is only one.
i wonder why this post about tankies is suddenly popular
sees top posts criticising israel and fascism
ah there it is
Eh this argues that we even have a democracy that is functional enough to undermine in the first place, and I reject that premise.
Better than a single oligarch for sure.
I’m not sure it’s that different. In place of a real personality, you get the country’s persona. With US foreign policy for example it matters little who leads because they are adhering to the persona. While the majority of Americans don’t want war, the US persona does. That results in the same thing (a population ruled by one idea set) just a hologram of person rather than an actual one.
what democracy?
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.
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In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
something like 70% of Americans want universal healthcare and yet it remains politically impossible.
The people screeching about tankies constantly just learned the term in the last year and want everyone to know they know it
Knowing what the "Dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" is so basic it almost doesn't count as reading theory.
Leftist who want to fix this are by far the largest group of leftist. And there have been multiple successful leftist political victories. You can not get these victories without a considerable amount of leftist and left leaning voting. And it's your discourse that just wants to pretend that nothing can be done, it's too late, Democracy isn't real... That is undermining leftist progress in our current society. And this is the problem, tankies aren't interested in protecting, fixings or saving current society. They want everybody to suffer the breakdown of society in order to hopefully get a revolutionary uprising that magically turns everything into a communist utopia. It's poison and you're injecting it.
And there have been multiple successful leftist political victories. You can not get these victories without a considerable amount of leftist and left leaning voting.
The entire conclusion of the study I linked is that this is not happening.
There's nothing wrong with voting, I vote every two years, but it's dangerous to convince yourself that voting is enough. You need to also organize. You need to strike. You need to unionize your workplaces. If you really want to push the government into conceding real improvements in our lives, you need to apply direct pressure on a large scale. And when the crackdown comes, you need to collectively organize to help each other. Bail people out of jail. Help people pay rent when they're fired for trying to unionize. Doing this on a large scale is how you get actual fucking change, and it will never happen if people lie to themselves that voting alone is sufficient.
Vote harder next time
Tankies as well as fascists are imperialistic scum.
I swear almost every American election cycle, some weird word will start popping up everywhere. like how all the trump supporters started saying cuck out of nowhere in 2015-2016
Tankie has been a thing for over half a century. The Soviets used tanks(from other countries) to invade and crush antisoviet revolutions/protests in Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
This was considered shocking for some communists and other leftists while some communists supported those actions. Those who supported this "intervention" were called tankies, in order to differentiate them from the non tank invasion supporting communists.
In Greece(my country), which was in the "West", this event caused the split of the greek communist party(KKE) into 2 separate parties, KKE(Moscow controlled tankies) and KKE "interior"(weak ass soy communists who cant stomach the use of tanks in order to create a better tomorrow).
KKE "interior" kinda eventually became SYRIZA which surprisingly won the elections in 2015(breaking the 2 party status quo). Then the EU decided that the greek people decided poorly and punished them. So when the greek people decided correctly(elected a right wing government), the EU rewarded them. Carrots and sticks make the world go around. Thats how you make a majority leftist country, into a right wing one.
PS Greek debt is as high as it has ever been but Greece issued negative interest bonds. Tell me again how is the economy supposed to work? Noone talks about the greek debt anymore, it's a non issue, Greece has been accepted into the EU's infinite money glitch scheme.
Tankie has been a thing for over half a century.
Disingenuous in regards to their point.
"Cuckold" had been in use for a long time before it's cultural adoption in 2015 too. They weren't disputing the appropriate use the term, they were clearly commenting on the shift from appropriately-applied usage to the saturation within the cultural lexicon as a buzzword. Why is this thread full of disingenuous asides and non-sequiturs?
tarted saying cuck out of nowhere
You know they have been wanking of to cuck porn for decades... it was bubbling below the surface...
Agree, but to me they're no different from any other genocide denying pieces of shit. If you are a NATO apologist that sees what happened to Iraq or what is currently happening to Gaza as any less abhorrent, you are just as bad as someone apologizing for Russia or the USSR.
The economically motivated NATO intervention in Libya was justified with false claims of a genocide. This was the conclusion reached by the British parliament report. Now Libya is a war-torn failed state with open-air slave markets. That intervention was less than a decade after “Iraq has WMDs,” a lie that has killed over a million people. When we have all witnessed these events in our lifetimes, I think we should be a little skeptical when enemy states are vilified. I don’t know if public backlash could have prevented the intervention in Libya, but I hope we’ll at least try to prevent the next one.
I don't wanna be a tankie, but I want hot alt people to physically abuse me 😔
Have you tried therapy and/or a mosh pit
Instructions unclear, opened up therapy practice in a mosh pit. 7/10 would treat again.
I'm not sure anyone knows what a tankie is.
Apparently saying any country other than the US should take a turn at world leadership is a tankie opinion.
I've seen "Tankie" pulled out on Lemmy and Reddit over things like:
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Suggesting a revolution is required to stop global capitalism, and that we cannot vote our way out of Capitalism
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Countering common narratives that paint US Geopolitical Adversaries and Existing Socialist/Communist regimes as comically evil villains.
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Criticizing the western perspective on the Russia/Ukraine conflict, and by extension criticism of Ukraine, or praise for Russia
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Suggesting that violence against Nazis is ok
I mostly get the impression that people don't like violence, and dislike the idea that capitalism may need to be opposed through violence. Though I've also seen it thrown out at suggestions that capitalism should even be defeated at all. It feels like a poison tbh, we really should just be uniting against capitalism.
I've seen tankies making strawmen out of things like:
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People who don't think ML strategies are a good idea for global revolution.
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Recognizing that the US, Russia, and China are all fallible. Not equally bad, but comparably flawed.
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Believing Zelenskyy is like Churchill in both the flattering and unflattering ways, while no amount of Azov Nazis justify Russia's brutal invasion.
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Ignorant liberals representing all left leaning opposition.
I get the impression that you want to paint serious objections and disagreements by genuine leftists as either factionalism that must be silenced, or a plot by capitalists to stop redistribution. Tankies are real, terrible, and willing to defend or perpetuate almost any crime against humanity if they have faith it will contribute to the greater good.
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The problem is when that country is Russia or China without major reform. Since those are quite authoritarian.
I know you didn't ask for this rant, but that's ok, it's not meant to be directed at you. This is an open -carry ranting state, and this is rant is legal even though it's unregistered because it's from the Internet.
It is shitty to rule - setting aside corruption and greed, and imagining a world where leaders were just and smart and altruistic, etc - even then - ruling will lead to mistakes and failures and horrific results. That's.. unfortunately kind of natural.
But holding that leadership accountable - that's normal too. That's how you remind them what a fuck up is, and what horrific means. Our protests against their failures in leadership are there to right the ship. Our voices are a vital part of the plan.
(And, yeah, obviously things are weighted a little (a lot) unfairly due to greed and corruption - but that's not the point. The point is: when something is wrong, it's wrong. When leaders do wrong, you yell at them. That's how you tell them what wrong is.)
To say that we (the USA) can't be criticized because "omg leadership is hard" is making excuses - and if you stop telling them what wrong is, they're going to start to forget.
Kind of is at this current moment given the other superpowers, but it's wrong to even think that the world should have leader like the US. No country has anywhere close to a majority of the people, so an actually multi-polar world, or even a world with no clear poles would be ideal. Taking a turn implies that we need someone else in the US's role, but the reality is that the role shouldn't exist.
I still don't understand what a tankie is
Edit: From what I gathered, they're essentially authoritarian communists
The type of "communist" that supports authoritarian, usually state capitalist regimes like the USSR, China, and the DPRK.
The lack of meaningful worker enfranchisement in any of those regimes should tell you all you need to know, really - they're red-coded fascist lunatics.
@backhdlp the term was invented to describe those communists in the West who thought
Rákosi (a Hungarian Stalinist)[edit: whoever it was, there's a communist historian correcting me downthread] did nothing wrong when he and Kruschev sent military tanks into Hungary to force them to stay in the Soviet Union. That was in the 1950s.Hakim has a good video about it https://youtu.be/LcJ5NrJtQ8g?si=Fgc2HTHJHd-pJvPC
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It seems to be commies getting angry at other commies, which seems very counterproductive
This might help https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
stalinists basically
Hell yeah!
Wtf are tankies?
Theoretically, they're authoritarian leftists. In reality, leftism has little to do with it. They glorify former communist authoritatian countries and are anti-west no matter what the west does. There are pro-russia tankies (Lemmygrad.ml) and pro-china tankies (hexbear.net), with some overlap between them.
Calling them left at all is playing into their game of self-legitimacy at best or trying to delegitimize actually leftism at worst.
Pretty sure those are run by APTs.
The types of leftists that will defend any regime that opposes the US/the west, and say any ethical/human rights violations done by them are either necessary in the moment to fight capitalism or is just fake news. You usually find them celebrating China's government.
“Tankie” is a term that was originally coined (ironically, by Marxist-Leninists themselves) to describe members of the CPGB (Communist Party of Great Britain) who justified the Soviet Union’s invasion of Hungary in 1956. It has since become a catch-all term used to describe (self-described) leftists that slavishly adhere to the propaganda of or justify the actions of authoritarian regimes that are (or are perceived to be) “socialist” such as China or (bizarrely enough) modern-day Russia.
I can't thank you enough for this. I've been too afraid to ask what the labels all mean.
It's nice to get some clarity on these things sometimes. I'm just trying to live my best life over here and not step on anyone's freedoms... I'm not in the know enough to be familiar with all the parlance of the various movements, despite supporting many of them (mostly from the sidelines as a straight white male).
Every time
Waiting for an answer
Authoritarian apologists that pretend to be communists. You can find them in the wild typically talking about how great and strong the Chinese government is and how evil and corrupt the "US Imperials" are.
Historically the term was used to describe communist members that defended the use of tanks against civilians during an uprising idln Hungary, hence the name.
Do you have nothing better to post?
What is a Tanky?
It's a pejorative term to describe authoritarian Chinese government apologists. Historically it was used to describe communist members that defended the use of tanks against civilians during a Hungary uprising.
TIL. Thank you.
Anyone to the left of you
That's impossible, I shoved all those counter-revolutionaries into a ditch and ran them over with t-
Uh oh
"Tankie" is a term that was originally coined (ironically, by Marxist-Leninists themselves) to describe members of the CPGB (Communist Party of Great Britain) who justified the Soviet Union's invasion of Hungary in 1956. It has since become a catch-all term used to describe (self-described) leftists that slavishly adhere to the propaganda of or justify the actions of authoritarian regimes that are (or are perceived to be) "socialist" such as China or (bizarrely enough) modern-day Russia.
Unfortunately, the only way to kick tankies out of 196 is to get 196 out of Lemmy. Because Lemmy is being developed by two tankies themselves, with a third one about to join. And because despite being defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad, lemmy.ml is still a free roam place for tankies from those two cesspool places. So, either defederate yourselves from lemmy.ml (nobody would do that), or fork lemmy into a new clean place (not impossible, but difficult to perform), or do as beehaw will do soon.
So, either defederate yourselves from lemmy.ml (nobody would do that)
I mean, if push comes to shove why not? It’s not the “main instance” anymore, it’s only got twice the users of Hexbear. Around a third of .world. I don’t think defederating would be that bad of an idea if they get too oppressive.
If you don't mind, what is beehaw doing?
Lemmy.ml is NOT defederated with lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net
In fact, the lemmy.ml admins/devs are admin on lemmygrad.ml
Choose an instance that defederated with hexbear and lemmygrad and you won't see many tankies. Even if they post on Lemmy.ml you won't see it because that is how federation works.
I didn't try on any lemmy instance, but while I was on Kbin, I've posted some comments on lemmy.ml (worldnews, if I remember correctly). Nothing out of the ordinary. One tankie called me a nazi (I had to change my profile photo becuase of that), and other tankie called me a loser, having myself ADHD and ASD.
In fact, the lemmy.ml admins/devs are admin on lemmygrad.ml
Why do you think so? Can you prove it?
So, either defederate yourselves from lemmy.ml (nobody would do that), or fork lemmy into a new clean place (not impossible, but difficult to perform)
How forking will help in any way?
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Rule.
Since when are screwdrivers tankie symbols?
They aren't. The meme is originally about Nazis.
What is “196”?
It was a meme community on Reddit, but I don't know the origin. Seems to have a lot of non-binary folks in here, so I'm still wondering why reddit thought it applied to me, but they had some good memes over there.
It is a spinoff of 195. 195 had a rule where you had to post before leaving, and most of the posts were people pasting their clipboard, usually a screenshot. 196 is supposed to be similar I think but is mostly just people posting memes and has a specific subculture.
Further down the rabbit hole… what’s “195”?
Based
Uh but isn't a revolution an undermining of democracy? I don't know who these tankies are, but it seems like yall commies just making some big deal about your little beef with other commies. Its kinda silly.
ya, this might shock you, but not all "commies" are looking for a revolution, and to make matters worse, most of these other "commies" were in power in the era that created the great American golden-age, and then when someone let liberals in again they ruined everything so that their aristocracy can have their dragon hordes back, ironically when southern pride really started up again...
Eliminate the state UwU
A-fucking-men, brother!
Define tankie. I've seen that work be used in so many different contexts that it seems to have lost all meaning. This are word has been used to describe so many different things by people that don't know what it means that now it has lost all meaning.
Similar case for the word "Authoritarian"
Same story goes for the word "authoritarian". I've seen that word being defined as "When government uses it's authority to stop you from doing something", but by that logic any society with laws and law enforcement is authoritarian. This are word has been used to describe so many different things by people that don't know what it means that now it has lost all meaning.
I’m so tired of hearing the term tankie everywhere. The amount of times I’ve seen it to describe literally any leftist is insane, as well as the many times I’ve seen it as a way to divide the left.
We’ve seen it before. Western pundits make the left out to be dangerous when they’re mostly just trying to help their communities. News corporations make them out to seem dangerous. FBI infiltrates them to make them seem dangerous. Their leaders are killed in the night. The world creeps ever nearer to fascism.
You're talking about socialists, communists, and anarchists. Tankies are Marxist-Leninists who condone the atrocities "leftist" governments like the USSR, Russia, and China. Too many times I have seen tankies argue in defense of the Uyghurs or the Ukrainian Invasion. Those two things are not cash money and do not follow the libertarian socialist ideals actual leftists believe in i.e. anticapitalist and antiauthoritarian.
Also keep in mind the history of tankies and "state" communists backstabbing and killing anarchists. I also think it is better for the leftist movement to differentiate ourselves from tankies because come on.... they don't deny the Holomodor or other monstrosities. Look at the interview with Benny and Charlie Kirk. I consider her (them?) "Baby tanky" and that was just not a good look.
There is no room for authoritarians and capitalists in the left. Especially those who use "left" as a veil.
your label is threatening labels I identify with. Not agreeing about actions and methods. My labels are the only true way to understand my views
Are these "Tankies" in the room with us right now?
