One of these cultures has normalised vegan and vegetarianism for centuries, the other is trying to wean a meat-obsessed population.
They are not the same thing, nor do they have the same requirements to reach their end goals
How prevalent is veganism in India? Whenever I look at Indian food, it's butter this and milk that. Sure, there are some very good vegan choices, but it seems to me that Indians love their dairy.
Veganism is actually a fairly new phenomenon in general, a lot of Jains in particular have adopted it. But vegetarianism in India dates back over a thousand years BCE , so yeah, they've got a bit of a head start.
Yeah I have a lot of vegetarian Indian friends, not as many vegan.
It's not vegan so much as veggie. They definitely respect those cows they get the milk from though.
Quite popular, in my city it's quite hard to find meat in the popular restaurants. And these places are quite old and we'll know.
Most foods don't have any form or trace of meat or eggs, although milk and related items are very widely consumed.
It's vegetarian and not vegan.
This is what people don't get, if you've been veggie for years then you don't need meat substitutes, these products are for normies trying to cut back or give up while they break the cultural training.
I've been vegetarian for... more than a decade? I love meat substitutes and generally prefer having the substitute present in meals (either as the main thing, like a burger, or as an inclusion). I do agree that meat substitutes are a fantastic way of reducing meat consumption for meat-eaters, but that doesn't mean you need to do away with it completely once you're in 'full veg' mode
Maybe. While I do sometime choose the plant-based meat, thinking of it as a substitute was my initial reluctance to try vegetarian food. Back then, I ridiculed the idea of a “veggie burger”, but really liked grilling a “black bean patty”. Did you realize Mac and Cheese can be vegetarian? “Greek veggie dip” is horrible, but I love hummus. I always loved various potatoes, but it was quite a revelation that you could spice them up and use them as a meal. My latest infatuation is Halloumi or Paneer - don’t ever call a nice grilling cheese a substitute for anything.
At least for me, it is easier to choose foods for their own value, rather than suffer with a substitute, r a variation “without”. I’m not a vegetarian and have no interest in it, but I will choose what looks good to me at any given time, on its own merits
I mean, the United States has, to be fair, developed a food culture that emphasizes using a lot of meat, especially over the past century or so. It's not surprising that people from an area that eats so much meat, who go vegan, are going to want to look for ways to still make dishes familiar to them
Yep. It's all about helping people transition. So much of American food culture is centered around burgers, steak, BBQ, etc. It's really hard to just drop all of that on a dime, even if you want to. These products help people with that mental itch.
Not just the meat, there is cheese and milk involved in a lot of it as well.
It's not just culture, or itch, or whatever.
I just love the taste of meat! My body craves for it. But if I can keep that delicious flavour in my plate without killing an animal, that's great!
If its any indication into other factors, every time I try to make butter chicken it ends up tasting like a British persons home made curry recipe so there's that. Jokes aside as someone who likes cooking, a lot of traditional recipes, of any culture are simply much more labor intensive than slapping a bean patty on a pan then furnishing it. I'd wager the pace of a lot of western lifestyles, the choice gets weighted quickly.
To be fair, a patty sandwich of any type (be it hamburgers, chicken sandwich, beans, or any kind of imitation meat) is going to be similarly labor intensive and time consuming if one had to make the patty and bread oneself rather than being able to just buy them. I'm sure traditional recipes for most cultures can be made similarly convenient if probably somewhat different from their original form, if demand exists for them to be premade and sold that way. There's a specialty grocery store very close to my home that specializes in Indian food, tho also has some international foods from other places too, and it's freezer section has all sorts of Indian dishes done up as tv dinners, or premade frozen samosas of various flavors one just has to fry in a pan for a few minutes, among other things.
I was taught to cook a ton of things growing up.
most of those meals involved meat. So took a bit of relearning. Being able to just make an old thing but with fake meat was nice. Then sometimes brain craves something from child hood, so have to find an alternative.
I get that it's a meme, but what's the problem? I'm vegetarian/flirt with veganism; it's purely for moral/ethical/environmental reasons.
Indian food is delicious. An Impossible burger on a pretzel bun dripping with grilled onions, avocado, vegan aioli and mustard with a side of steak fries? That's also delicious, in my opinion.
Meat is delicious, and that's not at all incompatible with my reasoning for being vegetarian.
Aioli is naturally vegan. Classically, it's just garlic paste and oil. Flavoring mayo with garlic is not supposed to be called aioli.
Try making the proper kind. You'll be impressed.
Nothing against people who prefer meat substitutes. But I do think they should be brave and just abandon meat altogether. If you keep relying on meat substitutes, you haven't let go of meat entirely, I found it easy to get back to meat eating.
Bravery has nothing to do with it. It tastes good, and there's no harm to any animals. So why not eat it? Denial for the sake of denial is not a virtue.
If you keep relying on meat substitutes, you haven't let go of meat entirely, and it would be easy to get back to meat eating.
That's like saying that if you enjoy shooting people in video games, then you're one step away from shooting people in real life. I've been eating fake meats for almost a decade now, and I've never been tempted to eat real meat.
I know how horrible and senseless factory farming is, and I have images of the slaughtered seared into my memory from vegan documentaries. Why would I go back to that when I can have substitutes that are just as good, if not better?
Who cares for bravery? Avoiding meat is avoiding meat. Crazy strawman.
Being called stupid and criticizing my decisions kept me from "being brave"
Like "You're not good enough until you are this much" bullshit. If that's the attitude, then fuck no. Why do I wanna go even further into things if y'all are assholes right off the bat. Like, no. fuck you. If it's this complicated then I am going to do what has been a life of hassle free eating. My guilt is very easily wiped away like that.
So your whole point is a slippery slope fallacy. Gotcha.
Nothing against people who prefer meat substitutes. But I do think they should be brave and just abandon meat altogether.
Looking at someone not eating meat: you should stop eating meat.
I don't think meat substitutes is is the major problem to worry about. In fact, perhaps they could help?
https://plantbasednews.org/opinion/do-84-vegans-and-vegetarians-give-up-diets/
Nothing against people who prefer meat substitutes
That's good.
I do think they should be brave and just abandon meat altogether
That's bad.
Now, firstly, thank you for defining a lot of people cowards.
Secondly, while I like indian food, I like meat more. And I liked it since forever. If I can have the delicious taste of meat in my plate without killing an animal, that's great. Fantastic! I'm eagerly waiting for lab crafted meat any day. I'm willing to pay it more than real meat, because I'm not fond of killing living beings to eat them. But if that's not yet possible, I'd still have my steak and my hamburger.
You don't make friends with
saladthat attitude.
A lot of Indian cooking is vegetarian, not vegan. Ghee is very often used.
And paneer.
Not quite the same, but if you want to replace ghee with something vegan, try avocado or coconut oil. There is vegan ghee (made from palm oil I think?) but it's bad for you the same way old timey margerine is bad.
Incidentally, unprocessed red palm oil could be a nice replacement, but it has a characteristic earthy/almondy taste. I love it on fish dishes but it's not the taste you expect from Indian food I think.
"I fucking love Ghee, it's like freebasing butter" - Malcolm Tucker
I'm vegetarian. Western food is so focused on meat that people often have no idea how to make a meal that doesn't contain it. My mother once asked me how to make a vegetarian version of Chicken Parmesan. So keep the tomato sauce, cheese, and spices, but swap out the chicken with pasta. Congrats you've made vegetarian Chicken Parmesan. I like to call it Spaghetti.
and people get so pissy about like 'where is muh serving of protein??' like just because you saw an infograph as a child doesn't mean you have to have a hunk of a living creature every meal
There’s nothing childish about paying attention to macros. If you’ve ever spent time doing any programmed exercising that includes making linear progress, you know the difference protein can make. And it’s hard to achieve even when you’re not extremely limited in ingredients.
I’m not knocking vegan or vegetarian diets. Just saying it’s not at all easy, and that protein matters a lot.
Also most vegetarian Indian food is absolutely loaded with butter/ghee. It’s not “healthy.”
Italy and Japan life expectancy: 84 years.
India: 70 years.
Drastic differences.
Can I still have 11 bread?
like just because you saw an infograph as a child doesn’t mean you have to have a hunk of a living creature every meal
Especially when said infographic was not only wrong, but also propaganda.
Yeah I don't get the whole "replace meat with a vegan steak" idea. Just prepare a delicious Dahl, the recipe of which has been around for hundreds of years!
They're not made for people like us who have been veggie or vegan for years and have learned to cook with pulses, legumes, etc. They're designed for people who want to cut back or give up meat but have to break the cultural training that every meal needs meat. Also they allow casual food places that don't have professional chefs like pubs, cafes, etc to have quick and easy veggie options on the menu.
Things like Impossible Burgers, absolutely. I tried one once and it was so much like an actual meat burger it grossed me out. But I will make a seitan corned beef to put in a Reuben sandwich just because it's an awesome sandwich.
Hmm I was 27 years a meat eater, advocating for meat consumption in the face of a vegan mate. Saying things like "we need a little bit of meat in our diets...they're killed humanely...etc"
Took me one moment of realisation, then I dunno, I just tried, not even that hard, vegan 7 years now.
I can see that the transitional foods are a good stepping stone, but imo, the second you see inside the animal agriculture industry without any blinders on (biases), you'll choose to act within your life, if you have the compassion/empathy to.
If someone sees the reality of what goes on behind closed doors and continues to consume animals in much the same way, it says more about that persons internal morality than anything else.
There's actually a lot of plant based meat that are chemical / preservative free, Redefine Meat comes first to mind. As there is a lot of animal meat that is full of chemicals, preservatives, carcinogens, and antibiotics use.
I would only assume most fast food meals, meat ones included, are not chemical / preservative free. That's a western fast food problem, vegan or not.
Lastly, vegan people broadly don't eat plant based meats. Like it get the joke... It's just broadly inaccurate. Meat eaters, people trying to eat less meat, and some vegetarians buy plant based meats.
Very true, great points all around
Now with that out of the way, this is literally just a lame “I've depicted the group I don’t agree with as the Soyjak and my group as the Chad, thus superiority confirmed”.
It was never going to be a balanced take
Lastly, vegan people broadly don’t eat plant based meats
I think it's a demographics thing. There's a whole lot of vegans who eat "fake meat" regularly or even exclusively. I have a successful restaurant chain near me that specialized in "plant-based alternative" meals, from burgers to lasagnas and everything in between. No it's not all meat. Lots of "Cashew Cheese" and similar.
And honestly, I don't think vegans should be faulted for "wanting meat but not eating it". It's the ones that get judgey of non-vegans like the other 99% are somehow inferior to them. I know way too many vegans who are vegan for good reasons or for personal-trauma reasons, and they should be left alone. Even if they want a miracle burger and mac 'n cashes.
Of course there is. Not saying no vegans eat it ever. It could be a regional variable, but I'm speaking about population as a whole, not your local vegan restaurant. Google says 86% of plant based meat is bought by meat eaters. I also work in the field so have some knowledge on the subject. 86% is about right but could be 5-8% high. But in any case, the people who buy it are broadly meat eater, or more likely "flexitarians" .
And vegans should eat more plant based meats. The better brands are very healthy and it could help them stick to their vegan diets.
There's actually a lot of plant based meat that are chemical / preservative free
Literally everything in this sentence is wrong.
Thank you, it drives me nuts when people say shit like "chemical-free". Everything is made out of chemicals, tell me which one otherwise I'll just assume you're uneducated and afraid of things you can't pronounce.
Vegans are great, especially with garlic in a nice butter sauce.
Edit: also you're literally made out of chemicals.
Literally not a single thing in our world isn’t chemicals. Lemontek - chemicals interacting. Alcohol for some party - Chemicals. Every part of any meal - chemicals. All of it.
In general I think people are referring to things that are either A) heavily proccesed and/or B) something that isn't naturally occurring. When they speak about "chemicals"
Your body is made to eat natually occuring plants and animals. Any deviation from that is risking long term issues. Effects that are very often (at least here in the states) ignored unless they just straight up kill you. And even then it'll probably take a couple decades before anyone actually does something about it. So, yes while many people misuse the word "chemical," their fear is not misplaced. You should be skeptical of things that are synthesized until they are proven to interact with the human body appropriately
I think we need to understand what definition people are using for "chemicals". They usually are referring to highly processed ingredients, with highly processed preservatives, highly processed artificial flavors (called "natural flavors", but taken for example from the anal glans of a beaver... yes this is real and common). By the broadest definition, absolutely everything is a chemical. Generally, people should avoid any definition for a word that makes the word nonsensical. And also generally, you will find big lobbyist groups using that general definition to shell-game about the specific chemicals they are trying to protect.
When a food-concerned person mentions chemicals, they are referring to things like antibiotics or hormones, preservatives or processed sweeteners with known side-effects. Some of them are talking about isolates, like soy protein isolate to which there are valid health concerns.
And yes, sometimes people referring to chemicals don't know what chemicals they're complaining about. And yes, sometimes people complaining about chemicals are complaining that their meatless burger's consistency comes from methyl cellulose, (probably) completely harmless but absolutely artificial.
The same way some vegans are made ill by the thought of meat, some folks are made ill by flavor- or consistency-related facts in their food. I mean, I think vegans would be concerned to know the beaver anal secretions above was in some plant milks under the term "natural flavors".
I’m a vegetarian, but feel free to cover me in butter and smother me in garlic anyway.
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I love both, I'm not sure I know any real person who thinks this is a competition
Every vegan I know is on some sort of culinary journey.
Vegan btw
Vegan from protein shakes lol
Same, it's nice having more options. Apparently that's a bad thing according to some.
That’s because this meme isn’t about veganism at all, it’s about anti west narratives
Different cultures have different fucking food preferences, more at 11
Ohhhh scary, buzzz words... Chemicals.
It's literally just heme, the same thing that makes meat delicious. They just get it from plants instead.
Don't forget the preservatives!
I, on the other hand, enjoy all-natural pickled vegetables, which are just regular vegetables immersed in water,
sodium chloride, acetic acid & trace flavors --- chemicals which act as preservatives for the vegetablessea salt and vinegar.Those spices and herbs certainly have 0 chemicals in them.
Most vegans in the US do not eat food that mimics meat.
Most Western butt holes cannot handle Indian food that well. The couple times I went to Indian weddings, I was clamoring for anything that would not burn my butthole. The good combined with the ridiculous amount of alcohol made the toilets cry.
I don’t know, that’s a stereotype that may not be true. I mean, I’ll also make fun of my culture’s lack of spice and spice tolerance, but I’m the opposite data point. I love spicy food, prepare very spicy food for my kids, and on my one trip to India had at least the spice tolerance of my Indian co-workers. We’re not all white bread and mayonnaise
"spicy food" doesnt mean the same thing depending on cuisine. Different types of heat are used in different dishes.
I can eat mexican meals for days and have no issues, cholula and all.
Meanwhile mild indian is usually a treat that sets off a small bomb in my gut.
Also, people make fun of americans like we dont have fuckloads of hot sauce brands all over the place. We live next door to mexico, guys, we have plenty of spicy cuisine.
I'll have you know our British digestive systems can handle almost anything from over 60 years of Indian, Pakistani, Carribbean and Mexican food. When Taco Bell arrived on our shores it was bland disappointment compared to existing burrito outlets, especially given all the hype that it apparently puts an American in the toilet for hours :(
Taco bell gives you the shits because its poorly cooked meat with a lot of beans, not because the food is good or spicy
Think this post confuses veganism and vegetarianism. Also it's chemicals all the way down. Those spices? Made of chemicals.
Those alternative burgers are actually pretty tasty but also very heavy because they are imitating beef. For American fare I'd generally prefer a sandwich with deli style meats made out of tofu or seitan, or a bean burger.
"pulled pork" Seitan is probably my favorite fake meat, its got the right mouthfeel.
Haven't been too satisfied with Tofu, its ok, but there's no pretending its not bean cheese.
Lol, I'm calling it bean cheese from now on
Tofu has a lot of range, there are many types of tofu you just won't see that many in a Western market. There are also a lot of ways to prepare tofu, it's very versatile.
You mean to say scientists don't sit in a circle and summon the "Chemicals" from the lower tiers of hell?
vegetarianism minus butter/ghee = veganism. there are tons of dishes in vegetarianism without milk products
My only problem with Indian food. Whenever I try a restaurants it's shit. But when my coworkers would bring in a feast on Diwali, it was my favorite time of year.
I can't find any restaurants that taste even similar to their home cooked meals.
The best indian food I've ever had from a restaurant was from a truck stop in the middle of nowhere off I-80 in Nebraska.
Sounds about right honestly It's a shame the best food comes from the most random and niche places
That's because you can't beat home cooked meals.
Yeah, the same goes for Korean food. I think a lot of it has to do with the quality of produce. In the west produce is often picked before it's ripe because we have to ship it hundreds of miles. They also tend to change the spices and sweetness to accommodate western pallets.
That may be more of a problem with the restaurants where you live. I live in San Antonio and we have dozens and dozens of exceptional Indian restaurants where everything feels like it's a home cooked meal. I definitely miss Diwali before the pandemic though. My old company had a lot of Indian workers and the spread of food they would bring in was always incredible.
I don't know what country you're in, but lots of Indians in the UK are actuall run by Bangladeshis and the food is a bit middling. Once you find a good one you become loyal.
Honestly the Indian one should have just been "Here's your meal." "Thanks. It is delicious, as expected."
I was lucky enough to travel to India once, and try some great food … I wanted to be vegetarian while there, simply because it was so good. The guys thought they were being helpful pointing out meat dishes everywhere we went, but it was typically an afterthought on the menus, not well prepared, not worth eating.
— In an American restaurant the focus is on meat and it is well prepared so that’s what I’m looking for
— in my limited experience with restaurants in India, the focus was on foods that didn’t have meat, and was very well prepared, so that’s what I’m looking for
As long as the vegetarian option is a substitute, or an option, or doing without, rather than the focussing on a good meal, most of will have no reason to select it, no reason to expect it to be a good choice
Ah yes! Herbs and spices, the original chemicals and preservatives.
Beyond Meat Ingredients: Water, pea protein, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate[Vitamin B5]).
Based on my light research, Beyond meat is not too bad, ingredient wise. If someone wants to chime in, I don't see any preservatives either.
But, but, but... Few ingredient good, many ingredient bad!!
If only we could genetically engineer cows to grow NATURAL beyond meat burgers everyone would be happy... wait no...
Mfw when 'whole foods' turns out to be a rule of thumb, not a lifestyle.
This has to be the most eat pray love meme I've ever seen. Hindus are vegetarian not vegan (disclaimer: they aren't a monolith) and use a lot of ghee (milk product). That brown dude looks like a Sikh; they are typically not vegetarian or vegan.
Unless OP put it somewhere in the comments the word Hindu wasn't used.
India is known for vegetarian cuisine due to Hinduism. Jains are a small minority.
I never did, lol
With the power of spices... I lived in an apartment with Indians as neighbours 2 floors beneath.
There wasn't a single day when you couldn't smell all spices combined when you walked past their apartment. It was ... an interesting smell...😮💨 I don't believe they could smell/taste the original flavours of their food
Nice neighbours though
the original flavor of their food?
what is that? bland?
Yeah, tell him.
I like that all my different vegetables taste like cinnamon and curry.
Probably. The spices must have been worth more than the actual food though (:
I used to work with a guy from Pakistan, my car would smell of curry for a week after a couple days of driving about with him. I could tell that he'd been back to his hotel room by the lingering smell in the hallway.
Haha :D
Yeah, some foods are like that - my ex-father-in-law had a similar thing with garlic. You could tell he had it for a couple of days
Nice if you like Indian food.
The smell of all the spices is too much for me at times but I am super sensitive to smells. Gives me headaches.
Let's not forget the Mediterranean cuisine either. Falafel. Hummus. Baba Ganouj, Dolmas... crap I've made myself hungry now.
North-East Mediterranean you'd be hard pressed to find anything vegetarian let alone vegan.
I had a meal in Bosnia that was just four different kind of meats and the only non meat was a shit ton of raw onions.
That's my people!
Both are good but fake meat is the Pinnacle of processed foods
Shared first 🥇 with real meat products.
Still rocking a higher life expectancy though, vegans got that going for them.
BEYOND MEAT IS PEOPLE! WE GOTTA STOP'EM! SOMEHOW!
Don't worry. I've heard researchers came up with a new food resource. It's supposed to be super healthy and low cost.
Stay tuned for Soylent Green™
Americans eat like shit anyway lol, they won't notice
But why choose when you can have both?
Good point!
Shit, now I want some Indian food. Not even vegan, I just like it.
I'm vegan for a while now and live in Europe. In the past, vegan options were creative and often good and now it's this fake meat all over. I wish I lived closer to India then to America
Welcome to the culture wars. How am I supposed to demonstrate my sigmoid male prowess to fertile young females, if I'm eating a plate of seasoned vegetable mush?
Whereas if it appears to be a juicy slab of meat, I can maintain the veneer of my fragile masculinity. And who knows, maybe one of those cute progressive females will open her legs to me if I appear to care about animals.
we ate burgers with i think corn-based patties once. actually tasted better than a burger imo. definetely a carnivore, but the vegans sure have some dope alternatives.
edit: omnivore would be more correct
Not a vegan, but a vegetarian. This is why I love Indian food. When food is made from the beginning to not include meat products, it doesn’t feel like it’s ‘missing’ anything.
Here's my thing about meat: I'll switch away from meat if you make it taste good. It doesn't have to pretend to be meat, as long as it tastes good, that's all I care about. I will still eat the occasional burger or bbq, but if you can find me vegetarian or vegan recipes that make me as happy as bbq does, I'll try it.
I'm not vegetarian or vegan, but occasionally do a diet with my wife that makes us get creative with food. Here's a few things I still eat:
Pad Thai is a good place to start
Oreos are surprisingly vegan
Taco Bell's bean burrito, actually most Mexican food can just replace the meat with refried beans.
Bacon bits are vegan, toss them on some pasta like Cacio e Pepe
Chipotle's chorizo is fake pork sausage, get it in either a bowl or a burrito.
Then the classics:
- tomato soup with grilled cheese
- peanut butter and jelly
- pancakes
- mac & cheese
- All cakes and pies (well excluding chicken pot & Shepard's)
Oreos are surprisingly vegan
It's less surprising when you realize that stuff that processed almost might as well have been constructed from raw hydrocarbons. It's like some NileRed "turning paint thinner into cherry soda"-level shit.
I said this above as a reply to another comment, but I do feel there are a lot of interesting dishes around the world that would be loved almost universally and I wish they would become universally accessible too
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What a brain dead post, which makes sense given the unfunny and lame as fuck “I’ve depicted the group I don’t like as soyjack” bs
What a weird post to get upset and offended over
Ok
Yeah all Indians are vegetarians and look exactly like this /s
The same way that all americans eat nothing but meat, and are white, sparsely bearded dudes. /s
america bad
The secret is that meat on its own is garbage. Instead of using plants to make meat taste good (teriyaki, buffalo sauce, nearly a dozen herbs and spices, etc.), you can just use those plants to make plants taste good
That's a bit of a stretch. Meat + salt rarely disappoints me
I don't eat a lot of meat, but after hearing arguments like these from vegetarians and vegans, I gave up on not eating meat.
Too expensive to eat vegan and I got really fucking tired of being called fucking stupid for buying meat free alternatives. It's not worth the effort in the end.
vegan food isn't expensive. artificial meat replacements are expensive, because you're paying someone to chemically torture plants until they vaguely remind you of animals. lentils, beans, and other awesome-tasting protein sources are dirt cheap. vegan-first dishes are great and really cheap.
As a man who fed a vegan child for 8 years…no. Vegan meals cost way more.
That one kid cost as much as two non vegan kids to feed.
Maybe it was because I was buying what she said to buy.
Fortunately when her mom tearfully said, “please be a vegetarian until you grow up and buy your own food.” she went with it.
It was a nightmare feeding her separate from the rest of us, but I respected her choices. I had to cook two meals every evening. That was rough.
Glad she’s grown and off at college. I miss her but I don’t miss all that extra work.
Meat is pretty much the most expensive protein source. You can get tofu for like 1/5 the price of meat. The other guy summed it up well (although with some sarcasm) that eating vegan is only expensive when you try to replicate the meat. Just eat tofu and you'll be healthier and richer :)
How many people called you stupid for buying meat free alternatives? I largely do not eat meat and I can count on one hand the number of times it has been mentioned in the past decade. It's also only comparatively expensive because meat is so subsidized.
I mostly do not eat meat because it is fucking terrible for the environment.
Middle of a Safeway once, in line at McDonald's my ex was called a poser for ordering the veggie burger by someone in line at a fucking McDonald's (dont care if youre just there for the fries), online community of course adds to it because, well yeah, here we are.
Entitled people have a way of announcing and decrying those below them. Like morons who think Android phones are for the poor.
I got really fucking tired of being called fucking stupid for buying meat free alternatives.
Sorry that you met condescending assholes. Some people just have the urge to feel superior over others for absolutely silly reasons. The rise of meat alternatives is one of the few things that make me optimistic for the future, along with renewable energy, electric cars and heat pumps. Factory farms are so much worse for the environment and animals, of course we should embrace alternatives to the worst option.
Prices also go down with more competition. There basically wasn't any market for meat alternatives 10 years ago, now it's growing quite fast. In 5 years, many of them will likely be cheaper than meat.
Nutella is vegan.
That's oreos you're thinking of
Jello is not vegan.
Indian food most often is vegetarian but definitely not vegan, in my experience. Also: It often seems to be colorful mud. Some parts of the dishes tend to be way too hot.
I mean have you all seen the videos in tiktok about the zero hygiene they have in the street food places while preparing the food, oh my...
Wrong. The fake meat in the top portion is overprocessed and tastes like garbage instead of delicious meat, while the bottom portion is 100% delicious vegan food.
Edit: downvotes from people who hate vegan food, I guess.
Depends on the brand IMO. I actually really like Impossible Meat; to me it tastes like decent quality beef with some really good hard to place seasoning. If it wasn't so damn expensive I'd get it over actual ground beef.
It's still overpriced and overprocessed. Ridiculous sodium levels as well.
I mean, isn't all Indian food overspiced? You could probably make curry out of just about any meat or meat substitute and it will still taste like spices.
American food has a higher focus on meat flavor, which is why so many meat alternatives try to imitate meat. You can buy vegan Indian or Chinese food here that tastes decent, but it's not a steak.
Overspiced!? Umm..no. No it is not.
I mean, isn't all Indian food overspiced?
Only if you're British. But if you're British then using basic salt and pepper is sometimes considered "over spiced".
Imagine conquering the world for spices and then you don't use them in your own cuisine.
Overspiced? Not really.
isn’t all Indian food overspiced
Nope. So much nope that I'm curious if maybe you understand over spiced to mean something different.
Depends which part of India you mean. Telegu food is often very spicy. Bengali and Gujarati food is actually mostly sweet. Himalayan food is 99% bland and 1% volcano hot.
I didn't know that was a concept. Probably because I like flavor
You people just make shit up at this point 🤷♂️
The US has some of the best food in the planet.
Im not sure if you're trolling or if you're american and serious.
100% serious. On the average our grocery stores are better with far more access to food choices. I can pick out essentially any type of fruit or veggie year round and have access to fresh food from across the planet.
Not your thing? Well, I'm my small city (.5mil) I have access to 3 farmers markets which will get me fresh local veggies and meat.
Y'all are on crack if you think you have access to better food in the EU or Asia.
You'll find that 95% of towns in the US will have access to fantastic food year round.
Chicken nuggies, doritos, and mountain dew please
I mean if you want to be a fatass, that's your choice. You can continue to live however you want. I just had. Ribeye last night from the cow we had butchered a few weeks ago with some potatoes and brussel sprouts from the local market.
But okay, the existence of soda definitely means we don't have access to good food.
