Someone please correct me if Iâm wrong but didnât the democrats start the KKK and were they not as religious? Or is there something else?
Also does modern kkk still burn crosses?
Weird story time: My great grandfather was obviously the source of the autism in our family line. Man could not read social subtext to save his life. He felt driven to find some sort to group to belong to that had set meetings and such. For a 5 year span, he joined, like, everyone. Elks, masons, you name it. When we were helping him clean out his house in the early 90s we found a KKK uniform. We asked about it. Apparently it was billed as a menâs group and they just had costumes made. He went along with it for a few meeting and then the extracurriculars were discussed at his last meeting. He finally got the point of it. He got out. We had his calendar book from that year(and every year from the 30s-retirement) and we saw the date where he started crossing out the KKK meeting times.
Why he kept it? It was the best work his wife had ever done.
Several years later I asked my grandfather if his dad was racist. Basically, he said that his dad had gotten in trouble for not understanding the racist, unwritten policies he was supposed to enforce and kept asking why, as there was no logic to them.
I don't know what to tell you if that was the first thing that tipped you off.
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Yes. Yes they are. Also, I think a "radical Christian" would be the opposite of the KKK.
I guess I'm a radical Christian then.
I believe Jesus taught tolerance and love, so I try to treat others with tolerance and love. And not fake love like "thoughts and prayers," but real love, which comes with action.
I believe Jesus taught tolerance and love
So that's what he meant when he said
34Â âDo not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35Â For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36Â And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
Matthew 10:34-36
or when he said:
âWhoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters."
Matthew 12:30
So tolerant and loving! đ
Yeah they are reactionary christians. A radical christian would be like the Catholic Workers and Dorothy Day, or the Fasci Siciliani, or Leo Tolstoy
Especially since radical doesn't mean extremist, but seeking the root. You want to know what a radical Christian looks like? MLK. Arguing for equality to be achieved through peaceful means but a positive peace that includes justice.
The kkk are just positive Christians, but unwilling to call themselves that because that would imply that they might be g*rmans and they ain't no stinking deutschbag
They were Protestants and hated Catholics. Still doesn't make sense.
I mean I hate everything about catholicism too. I mean I hate all religions, but catholicism specifically. But I don't burn their symbols. I just avoid any circumstance I would have to be exposed to of it.
But yeah, still doesn't make sense to burn a symbol you share with the people you hate. This is just their silent screams of self hatred. Not loud enough to drown out the "everything besides white people" hatred, but still somehow present. I guess they can't even like themselves. Too busy hating.
Gotta get that hate-love ratio under control.
Uh...
Yes.
Without a doubt
It started out as a prank organization to scare black people... Those outfits they're canonically supposed to be dressed as dead confederate soldiers haunting the south.
If you ask me they leaned too heavy into the racism, and not heavily enough into theatrics and costumes. The problem is they held onto some 1900s sense of injustice, and didn't roll with the times, didn't stay up to date. They didn't evolve with justice or improve on their first poorly selected target... So they became violent and nasty instead.
A shame, I'd love a horse back theater group "haunting" cops and healthcare CEOs... In that timeline the KKK would be a different organization entirely.
Hmm, we should start a rival organization. We can keep the ghost theme, but perhaps go with dead WW2 heroes that push against fascism and abuse of power of every variety.
Maybe the WWW? World War Wraiths. We can also defend the free internet due to the naming collision.
If you ask me they leaned too heavy into the racism, and not heavily enough into theatrics and costumes
You know, I watched my wife work all day gettin' thirty bags together for you ungrateful sons of bitches! And all I can hear is criticize, criticize, criticize! From now on, don't ask me or mine for nothin'!
So, gray hoodies and green fiddler hats?
They are stupid, yes, but also are against everything's in the Bible so they don't actually care about Christianity.
Don't wanna argue with the premises here. But isn't Christianity also a bit stupid for praying towards the instrument that's been used to torture and kill their leader.
Just imagine you are Jesus and come into a modern church. You'd run away screaming with all those crosses triggering your PTSD. And that's before you've even heard of all the atrocities they're doing there in your name.
Not just their leader, early christians were violently prosecuted, they turned their symbol of oppression into the symbol of their faith in an ultimate act of defiance as well as love and forgiveness.
Sacrifice is a big thing in Christianity, the cross is the symbol of the biggest sacrifice that God did for us, on Christianity canon.
Totally. And it really makes sense when you think about it...
God is all-powerful, all-knowing and all-loving and he created man in his own image... And then doomed them all to an eternity of suffering because... reasons.
God was known for being petty and jealous, so he forced humans to destroy their food to prove that they love him.
God, being all powerful, I guess changed his mind about wanting people to burn for eternity, so being the all-powerful, all-loving being that he is, he changed his mind and deleted hell so that all humans could enjoy eternity with him... LOL jk.
No, instead he split himself into another being and became a human with the sole purpose of being murdered in 30 years so that humans didn't have to burn for eternity...? Actually, I kind of lose the thread at this point. It's never been clear to me why an all-powerful god would need to create such a bizarre, convoluted, byzantine means for redemption when he could have just snapped his fingers and made it all go away.
But all of that makes sense when you think about it as just another sacrifice to prove to god that you love him, and our rudimentary understanding of symbolism is all we need to prove this. After all, there's no need to read any other books, therefore this has to be the deepest, most profound thing ever written. I mean holy shit, Jesus is the "lamb of god" that needed to be sacrificed! Just like when we burned our food! Wow, talk about deep connections. No human could ever think up such an amazing story with such deep symbolism!
Anyway... I lost my train of thought.
The core of Christianity is originally the redemption, not the threat that necessitates it and often is more prominent.
The cross is a symbol of the sacrifice made to redeem people from the threat of hell. More relevant here is that sin separates humans from God, and through that sacrifice, the connection is restored. It is a catalyst of redemption and reunion. In that sense, they don't so much pray towards an implement of torture as an implement of liberation, salvation and mercy.
Given that those are hard things to put in a visual, tangible form and that humans tend to place a lot of value in visual, tangible representations, it's basically the simplest symbol you could come up with as a nascent cult.
It's not the only symbol, and particularly during the rise of the Roman church, you'll note that icons of saints become very common too. Some places will even have the Crucifix feature the crucified Jesus as well, to drive home the point about sacrifice and gratitude.
Protestants later held that the worship of saints was tantamount to idolatry and did away with them again, leaving just the core of the message of redemption. There was in some places a conscious choice to pick the "empty" cross rather than the crucified saviour as a symbol that he is no longer dead.
All in all, given his divine wisdom and love for metaphors and similes, I'd think Jesus would understand the point of the cross...
...then proceed to trash the place out of rage over the waste of money and effort that went into gaudy churches and gold-embroidered robes instead of helping the sick and poor.
As a Christian, I've always found that stupid, so I don't do that and don't attend churches that do. The second commandments says:
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
I'm pretty sure a cross counts here. I also believe Jesus taught a higher law, meaning the 10 commandments are outdated, and the only thing Jesus said to do to remember him is breaking and sharing bread and sharing wine (Communion in many churches). That's it, that and "feed my sheep" (teach and help others).
I don't get where everyone is getting the "wear and rub a crucifix for luck" idea. A silent prayer should be a lot more effective than directly violating the second commandment.
I choose to remember Jesus' life. His death was an event, his life was full of teaching and wisdom, so I focus on how he treated others instead of how others treated him.
I like your perspective and wish Christianity aligned more with your post than whatever itâs doing now.
Iâm not Christian, but I have observed that the worship of the cross and Christ's death is directly tied to the theological idea of salvation, especially with evangelicals. If his death is the single most important part of your faith, then the cross becomes a symbol and reminder that youâre saved and not going to hell. It was primed to become a symbol and eventually an idol.
I also think historically the cross as a symbol for Christianity comes from the Greek letter chi (x) in the spelling of Christ. âX-tiansâ was a shorthand form way before the âtaking Christ out of Christmasâ nonsense.
But to the original point of the Klan burning the cross: Iâve read that they argue that cross burning is a medieval European affirmation of faith, something that is doing double duty of arguing that itâs an expression of their faith and connecting them to their âracialâ roots.
You quote the third commandment but you believe they are outdated?
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
Even letters are images...
I'm not Christian but isn't it just very emblematic of the Christian victim complex? Praying towards the instrument of your faith's victimisation is sort of like taking the power back from that symbol and acknowledging the victimisation your belief system has gone through... As far as I can understand it at least đ
I honestly don't think most Christians even think this deeply about their own faith.
Besides what everyone else said it used to be a fish, and the ChiRo (the one that looks like an X and a P) Symbol. It's easy to see the evolution into the cross.
I feel like this was a George Carlin bit or something...
it makes more sense when Christians were a persecuted minority, executed on sight by the Roman empire. You're sharing in a symbol of sacrifice that could itself get you killed.
But that was 1500 years ago.
You may be on to something there
Quick answer yes.
Longer answer... yeeeeeeessssss
I mean 1 step above them is the classic tale of taking how your God was murdered and basically worshiping that symbol without the fire ...
...a lowercase 't'
...t...t...time to leave!
Obviously
no they surely just hate the lowercase t
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