Trump to discuss ending childhood vaccination programs with RFK Jr.
Trump to discuss ending childhood vaccination programs with RFK Jr.
Summary
Donald Trump plans to discuss potentially ending childhood vaccination programs with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee for Health and Human Services.
Trump expressed openness to revisiting vaccine policies, citing concerns about autism rates, despite scientific consensus debunking links between vaccines and autism.
Critics warn reducing vaccinations could lead to outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.
Kennedy, known for questioning vaccine safety, would oversee the CDC if confirmed.
Public health experts remain concerned about the implications.
Anybody with half a brain can see the collapse of the U.S. coming from a mile away based on what's happening right now. Our institutions are at an all-time low in trust, all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.
all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.
I mean yeah. But also because Americans are profoundly stupid. No excuses. As a whole, we're stupid as fuck.
Politicians do not benefit from an educated populace.
Decades of republicans cutting education and lying will do that.
You mean that?
And I swear you guys are going to take us down with you (as a Canadian). The Trump "jokes" about annexing Canada are really starting to get to me.
So much for being good trading partners and friendly neighbours I guess
Edit: this isn't really directed at you in particular, it's just that as Canadians we didn't even get a say in this but somehow you voted overwhelmingly for him again and now he's threatening to invade us before he even takes office. I'm fucking tired man (and a little drunk)
Tell me about it. I can feel the rumblings of something awful coming for Canada. All because if this bullshit down south. Our rights are being threatened because of reactionary politics. Half the people I work with can't seperate Canadian politics from American. They think it's all the same.
Drives me up the wall.
i swear if he really tries to annex us i would be defending our borders. But do you know what bothers me more? the Canadians who would defect and help the US annex us.
I agree with everything you said except that all the blame lies with Trump and Russian/Chinese disinfo campaigns. This has been going on since
the Tea PartyGeorge W Bush/CheneyNewt GingrichReaganprobably before anybody reading this was born
"trump to discuss bringing back ever terrible disease we got rid of or mitigated in the 1900s with RFK Jr."
We're gonna party like it's 1899
Covid was just a warmup
Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.
They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.
As is tradition!
No, then it will simply be democrats fault, or immigrants
Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It's the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.
All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?
Who exactly do you think voted for Trump? lmao
Doesn't matter if enough people aren't vaxed for herd immunity
I feel bad saying this, but part of me wonders if this is what they need. A real wake up call, a real understanding a real view of how bad a country can get if you throwaway the guardrails in place that was there to keep the very government in check and allow them to outright eat the poor to supplement the rich.
I just hope it doesn't destroy the country before they realise what's taken from them.
I have a deep yearning for this to happen. But logically I find it far more likely that they'll just blame anything going wrong on Biden and Obama initiatives.
With the Supreme Court in play, They might just start locking up people for criticizing the government. It'll be fake news soup to nuts
These are not people who will learn from experience. They'll just look for more scapegoats.
As long as the liberals kids die too they're fine with it.
To be fair, the price of eggs will likely be more affected by bird flu which will spread uncontrollably, since Trump will abolish all common sense regulations.
But what about the price of pre sliced cheese?
Not to worry, they will probably come up with a near total ban on abortions and birth control, and then there'll be that many more children, so that enough of them can survive to become wage slaves for the billionaire class.
I hope at least a sizeable chunk of Trump voters regret voting for him. It breaks my heart to know that there are legitimately people who have paid attention to all his lies and already broken promises and still want the guy to lead the country. I don't know how to salvage someone like that.
I researched this exact question. There is a way called deep canvasing https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-change-a-voters-mind-is-deep-canvassing/
It's scientifically proven. Try having a one on one conversation with someone. Listen to what they say and respond with empathy. Then gradually and calmly introduce your message that is related to what they said. For example if the person you are talking to said they are worried about grocery prices and specifically egg prices you could mention that bird flu was the root cause of the price increase and that Trump's tariffs will raise prices on groceries. Building trust helps your message get across. I've had personal conversations with Trump supporters who trust me and you'd be surprised how much success you can have.
This is correct, I use this method a lot in my work with the disabled. Often with clients that struggle with mental health, it's important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
The easiest way is to empathize with <negative thought or feeling> acknowledging it as worthy of the space it's taking up and offering up something related that I might worry about. Then redirect with a similar subject, but framed in a way that gives more power over it. Maybe a news article that pointed out how <related thing> is being solved by someone, or overcome, or even simply made fun of.
If you can laugh at something for being ridiculous it has less power.
You don't need to change their belief in <negative thought or feeling> you just need to redirect it and reframe it, they will then have a different mental relationship with it later, and over time change.
Wow! Thanks for the link. You've brightened my evening a bit.
This is true in my experience. People are extremely mimetic and validation driven. If someone respects you, they listen and imitate. It can actually be frustrating to me as an adult, because I don't find the aphorism "imitation is the finest form of flattery" to be flattering in many cases. It can start to look manipulative or lazy when it's middle-aged adults floundering for approval.
But your point stands: respect is an effective platform from which to share ideas. So many folks close off their minds, because they are lonely or otherwise insecure. If you can positively move either of those needles, they listen. From there, the only question is whether they truly internalize the idea, or whether they are chasing the feels of socialization.
I would never discourage anyone from trying this, but do you think people haven't already? Most of these people are lost. Their brains have been turned to mush. This shit does not work on them.
You have to age them out there's no other way, their brains are rot.
I don't think this is going to work. There are just as many younger trump/cultist/conservative voters now as there have been. Church attendance is not falling off and megachurches are getting more and more popular. People have been saying the same thing about the right-wing die-off as long as I've been a voter, and as much as I'd love to see it, I don't see it happening.
I'll sound like Google, but I think you'd like The Brainwashing of my Dad.
You can't. They are lost causes who simply can't be trusted to make the right choice for themselves or the rest of the country.
Look at you mister! You are the smartest guy in the room, aren't you! So smart yes you are! Adorable!
Unfortunately, the majority of them are incapable of that regret (or at least admitting it).
Promote them to CEO
The US is in the fast lane on the super highway to full stupid.
That'd be fine if they weren't dragging the rest of the world along with them.
A wise man once said - never go full retard.
Words to live by.
Holy shit, is this for real?
It's been anticipated throughout the campaign, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other horrible stuff about Trump. RFK Jr. is the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world. Trump ran with him openly to get his cult on his side. This is the obvious result.
It seems like every horrible thing about Trump never gets any attention because of the other horrible things about Trump.
Why the fuck are people still surprised?
Yes it must be the vaccines that are causing autism rates! Ignore the studies and decades of evidence that show they don't, because they definitely do!
It's not all the micro plastic pollution, or car pollution, or chemicals in our water, or hormones in our food, no it's definitely the vaccines!
- This message is brought to you by Karen and Cletus
autism is genetic.
It, like ADHD, has a strong genetic component, but it's not a 1:1 correlation.
Epigenetics likely play a massive role also. Which might be the genetic correlation we're seeing. Epigenetic influences have been shown to last multiple generations from the original trigger (specifically with the effects of trauma).
In the case of autism and ADHD, the epigenetic triggers are likely environmental, such as microplastics, over usage of antibiotics, and various toxic chemicals we're exposed to daily.
My own personal theory is that the current rates of autism and ADHD might be affected (but not solely caused by) the use of lead in gasoline 50+ years ago. Lead exposure has lifelong implications and absolutely affects embryos as they're developing. But that's just a personal theory.
Edit: Holy hell! This popped up on my Google News Feed only hours after making this comment.
Even if there was anything real about the claim that vaccinations increased autism rates, using that as a justification to stop vaccinations would still be a crazy stance. Autism is not a deadly disease, but many of the things we vaccinate against are.
Kill the department of education and force religious curriculum. This whitewashing will hide the history of slavery and make indentured servitude a normal way of life. If you tell them Jesus said it, they will believe it because they can't read or just don't care to take the time and do it. Religion is about blind faith in something that may or may not exist. It is a form of control over those with little to lose.
Ban vaccines so people are sick and weak. Make all other health care unaffordable. Make them starve by inflating prices. Make their bodies weak to avoid physical conflict. They can't hurt you when they are barely able move or care for themselves.
End sex education and ban abortion. People are going to get sick and die constantly. You will have a population falloff preventing any increase to your wealth and power if you don't force them to have kids faster to fill the labor pool.
Keep their wages low so you can buy out their housing. Force them to be reliant on you to put a roof over their heads. Make them work multiple jobs at little pay just to afford this rental housing. Having no home is a real killer of hope.
Pit them against each other. Crime is up, must be the illegal immigrants! They are taking all your jobs! That black guy down the street is going to steal you stuff and your women. That Jew works at the bank and is the reason you can't get a raise or a loan. Your neighbor is your enemy and They will take everything you have if don't have a gun to protect yourself.
I'm could keep going down the rabbit hole, but why bother. These assholes want us back in 1800's where the rich control and own everything.
Don't let them fool you. The rich control both parties in this country. It's just that one side doesn't give a fuck about being open about what they are doing or public perception.
I am not condoning violence, but this is where we are going to end up shortly if the rich stay comfortable. Freedom isn't free, and we are almost out of fight due to apathy. Average people care more about what some ass clown doing in their social feeds than seeing what is about to slap them right in the face.
Pro-life crowd really trying to murder as many children as they can. That's crazy. Good luck America.
They are not "pro-life", they are "pro-forced-birth".
Wow, the measles are going to absolutely ruin America, and then spread to the world. One of my family members was 'immune' to the vaccine for it, and a doctor took my aunt aside and told her that basically any large crowd was a danger to my cousin. IE. "Go to the fair and there's a chance he catches it." Luckily he was able to finally reach the % required that from the vaccine but I think he was 16 before that happened.
So many children are going to die. I wonder if people who didn't vote in the US are starting to realise what they've done.
and then spread to the world
But the rest of the world still has the vaccine programs. Very quickly Americans will require proof of vaccination before visiting other countries. While there might be an uptick in cases outside of the US, it will be nothing compared to within.
If vaccine requirements go away, this is bad
If vaccines become illegal or prohibitively expensive, this is a disaster
99 dead kids in the ground,
99 dead kids
Remove a vaccine, no longer to be found
999999999 dead kids in the ground
Make infanticide numbers great again
Thank you USA if you do this, it will most likely show our crazies here in Europe why exactly it is we do it.
Of course I feel sorry for the children that will get needlessly sick.
We may see Darwin awards on a national scale for thefirst2nd time in history.
Except this time is worse, because it's parents killing off their innocent children through stupidity. But A kind of Darwin award nonetheless, since they are ending their genetic line.First time in history? Did we forget about the Herman Cain awards already?
You are right, it already happened during Covid. I made an edit.
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What.the.fuck. why .
RFK is insane. Trump hates the poor
You also have to recognize that Trump is proudly stupid and yearns to be loved. If he thinks one more person will like him for getting rid of vaccines, he'll do it.
Bro. You know why. Trump is a puppet and Putin's pulling the strings.
Behind the bastards has a great episode on RFK that will probably help you to understand why
Make America Sick Again. But not, like siiick, dude!
Chaos.
This has such "Doctor Strangelove" vibes, although the idiocy on display in that movie was meant to be satirical and absurd, yet here we are
Oh? Sounds like someone wants my precious bodily fluids. You. Cant. Have them!
That's why I only drink grain alcohol and rainwater.
I think we are forgetting the rate at which Trump chews through allies. Kennedy is simply another useful idiot. He was useful to have his idiot base vote for the turd. They will (maybe) look at the numbers, pharma will say that stocks will go down, and Kennedy will be substituted by another useful idiot. Wash, rinse, repeat.
That’s the only thing I can hope, is that the pharmaceutical and insurance industries will tell him to bury rfkj in a hole in the desert
I too have been hoping for his usual fascist, use-then-discard tendencies to kick in.
So, what do we DO? Quick vacations abroad to get vaccines and prevent our kids from dying? Or just accept life as long as possible before the 2027 polio outbreak causes a lovely descent into chaos?
Much like women seeking health care across state lines, it may be required to travel to another state for vaccinations, and depending on supply and cost, perhaps traveling to another country would be practical.
As for outbreaks, either wear a mask and avoid crowds, or have a passport and find a country not embracing insanity.
Compulsory quarantine for people coming from the US into EU is gonna happen very fast
Well at least all the historians will get to see what the collapse of the Roman Empire was like in realtime.
Was cool while it lasted.
I have to wonder how many unvaxxed kids are out there right now where their parents have lied and said the kids are vaxxed. I wouldn’t put it past some unscrupulous doctors (and savvy parents) to forge vax docs where required.
If true, I would imagine what Trump and team are doing is only going to embolden unvaxxers to be more open and honest, rather than hiding it away.
Regardless, it sucks that kids are being used as pawns in their nutjob parent’s conspiracy theories. They don’t deserve it (the kids).
I wonder how the Turtle will vote, he had polio when he was a kid....
Not enough polio.
Can he remember that far back?
Well he does identify as an Elephant, so I guess we'll find out
The Walrus was Paul, but who is the Turtle?
I guess Trump wants to eradicate the American population? How does this make them money?
A new period of prohibition begins. How do I buy vaccines illegally?
Likely Elon Musk and some other people are covert eugenicists. A lot of eugenicists work with Lysenko-style "genetics", and think generations surviving deadly diseases will bring forward a smarter and stronger humanity,
That makes sense. Musk is the poster child of pusedo-science.
Well, if America is no longer a superpower, then Putin and all his oligarchs buddies are planning on sweeping up the spoils of its ruin for themselves.
Wouldn't the diseases travel back to Europe of the US weakens at all? People immigrate to where the money is.
So RFKs gonna say “vaccinations bad”, and Trumps gonna be like “thanks for letting me know mate”, then cancel vaccinations…. And then the shit really will hit the fan.
Many nearly extinct diseases are already planning their great comeback tour in the US.
Wonder what will happen when the rest of the world denies entry to Americans for health reasons.
The fool gets more ignorant by the day sheesh
It's interesting to see how much he will fuck up the country. I mean, terrifying, of course, but interesting too.
Congrats. You reap what you sow
Enjoy your wiggly kids Republicans
Ah yes, the ol' classic vaccination / autism correlation. It makes perfect sense, I mean I'm autistic and then I got vaccinated. Definitely a connection here, let's ban the 'tism and solve all the problems.
While the link between pollution and autism is very clear, but people still vote for drill baby drill.
It's not the vaccines that cause autism, you nincompoopidiots, it's the violent videogames, obviously!
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Suddenly it's an elective procedure and no longer covered by insurance.
Though I guess it may get more expensive for insurers to cover the unvaccinated so the market might actually win out with that one...
Other countries: “Oh no our birth rates.”
America:
Maybe that's the Republican's plan to combat global warming, kill off a large part of the population with preventable illnesses. I really haven't heard anything else from them
From what I learn from being alive, if people are required or forced to do something, they probably aren't. Much like volunteering, most people don't volunteer, heck, jury duty is required yet people don't want to do it. Imagine if voting was required by law, how this would change things.
I'm not sure i understand what you're getting at. By that logic, if voting was required, wouldn't people vote even less?
So they just want a mass die-off right?