Lots of PCs are poised to fall off the Windows 10 update cliff one year from today
Lots of PCs are poised to fall off the Windows 10 update cliff one year from today
Windows 10 is by far the most-used version of Windows, and support ends soon.
Have my second pc on running Linux mint for about half a year now and it’s been a pleasure so far.
I think I’ll be prepared to switch over fully in a year.
So fucking refuse to switch over to 11
I only have one computer that can run 11 because of the TPM module, it upgraded by accident.
All others will run linux
The one that runs W11 can still be upgraded to Linux. Keep the W11 partition and run W11 in an emulator inside Linux when you really need it - which should be less and less the more you’re familiar with Linux.
Similar to yourself, I switched to Mint about 9 months ago - initially on dual boot before ditching Windows altogether (the Windows updates kept fucking everything up). For the one piece of software that I missed on Windows 10 (Fugawi Digital Maps) I simply created a Windows 7 VM, that doesn't connect to the internet, and installed it on there. In fact, it has made me realise just how crap 10 was in comparison to 7. Linux has been a pleasure. Not only has it made computers interesting to me again, but I've learned a shitload along the way. It's nice to have a computer do what I want it to, rather than the other way around.
I’m using Linux mint all day at work, while I have a couple of rarely-used Windows machines at home. I think the swap to Linux on those home machines is going to be a winter project this year.
It might be more accurate to say the project will be setting up the Linux version of a few key pieces of software. The actual installation of Linux Mint is the easiest part!
All of the random BS it requires is a bit of a turn off but the 10ish percent drop in gaming performance is a no go. Linux with proton should outperform the os the games are designed to run on but here we are.
Me too, but im betting windows 10 gets an extension. Microsoft will take too much flack ending support while so many people are still on 10 and too many computers that can't upgrade are still in use. They're going for a scare tactic to try and fluff up 11's numbers a bit before doing it is my guess. 62% of computers are still on 10 right now. They won't end support.
Recently decided to try Linux for gaming. It wasn’t without a hitch or two, but largely fine. A number of games I play don’t even need an emulation tool like Proton.
The only reason windows was lying around was for gaming.
Looks like it’ll only get used for flight simulation.
X-plane natively supports Linux, works using proton too.
I’d stoped flying x plane when MSFS came out. Will give it a whirl too.
Same here but for sim racing
Barring Gamefreaks games, most of the popular racing games do not support Linux well. Forza 4/5, Asseto Corsa, iRacing, Crew.
This is going to have a much bigger impact on the third would countries.
Most people here are not going to buy a new computer there are tons of people who buy second hand laptops that are old to be able to afford them.
Additionally people are not tech savvy and don’t understand the implication of this. When they see an ad that says to buy a new computer, they are going to dismiss it the same way they dismiss all the other ads online telling them to buy stuff.
Can't wait! Cheap linux laptops are abound!
Prices of Windows 11 incompatible hardware have been dropping like a rock all year as companies upgrade their fleets, and it'll get far more pronounced once consumers start getting squeezed to upgrade to continue using software XYZ
My biggest worry for this is, there's probably dozens of black hats out there that have found some very large exploit for Windows 10, and are holding off on abusing it until the day Microsoft ends support.
Currently, my plan is to make a partition for Linux Mint, set up dual boot, see how much of my daily computer obsession I can execute through there, and then try to slowly transition while slowly moving stuff from Windows. (I am vaguely worried I'll run into that Windows issue where files accessed from outside the OS login are security-restricted. That has even screwed up my Windows reformat fixes)
might be better to separate drives, windows has been known to fuck up Linux partitions recently.
True once the day comes you can possibly do a raid config
NTFS file reading and writing is reasonably well supported under Linux, though exFAT or native filesystems are preferable. Actually finding software that will understand your files is one level removed, and getting equivalent or even the same software running is another level still. e.g. reading MS Office documents - LibreOffice is pretty good at that. For games, Steam and Proton have a lot of that covered.
If all you do is on websites, most if not all of the usual web browsers are available and work indistinguishably.
That said, I will leave you with these three words: Backups. Backups. Backups.
I'm not worried about interpreting the NTFS filesystem or individual files of given formats. Mainly, I'm worried about a Windows security-level problem I've had where Windows restricts access to whole directories based on user-level permissions, since the old "user" that owned them on a given operating system has been obliterated. It's an issue I've had even when reinstalling Windows to the same computer.
Mint's sweet I switched from 10 a few months back. Biggest difference is getting use to the different file system, only 2 games have been unplayable (didn't try to make them work tbh).
PR nightmares will keep significant exploit fixes coming. Microsoft isn't that stupid.
Frankly, I don't care.
I'm going to keep using Windows 10, updates or not, until I absolutely have no other choice, hoping against hope that the cracks in the Recall/AI monolith with have spread wide enough that a future Win 12 or 13 won't have them in it. I don't run a business. I don't keep sensitive information on any internet capable devices and my work uses the AS400 system.
I know Linux is a thing, and about a dozen years ago I spent a year using Ubuntu exclusively. While appreciating the OS, I got tired of chanting magic spells at computer every time I wanted to use software I liked on it, and so went back to Windows.
These days, despite being a reasonably tech savvy person approaching 60, I'm getting to the point where I'm just not up to learning/relearning an OS unless there is a critical need, and using Windows 10 there just isn't. At least not for me.
The days of "chanting magic spells at computer" being synonymous with the Linux experience are far gone. I recommend you just make a Fedora installer and take it for a spin on the live test system! You don't need to commit to it to just try it
[Children of the Omnissiah plays]
Some questions:
What version of Linux does Fedora install? Is it directly compatible with Windows software such as games and OBS, or does it require modifications/compatibility installations such as WINE? Does it have documented support online or is it a matter of haunting forums and such for when problems occur? And no matter how solid an OS is, I will tend to break it, generally by doing stupid shit, but I will break it. Before putting it back together. Which is generally how I tend to learn software.
I upgraded to 11 and honestly it's about the same. Very familiar and fast. I've had no problems with it in the 3 years I've been using it. If I had the preference I'd use 10 but only by a very slim margin as they are virtually identical in day to day usage. I do think it's faster.
I’m going to keep using Windows 10
Me too. I will be glad to get no updates and not have to worry any more that Microsoft is going to ruin my computer.
Despite what the fanboys say, linux still isn’t completely ready for primetime. I’ve been a casual linux user for twenty-odd years, and it has come a LONG way from assembling Lego bricks into a usable OS to a mostly plug-‘n-play setup.
There’s plenty of stuff that doesn’t work. Compared to Windows the software isn’t all available. Sound and video can still present difficulties. I moved my Steam library to linux and many of the games work well, but forget it if you’re into AAA online play, anti-cheat software still doesn’t play nice on linux.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a much more polished and easy to use setup than it’s ever been. But it still doesn’t beat Windows for the amount of mainstream software available and still needs to be irritatingly fiddled with if you want to do anything off the beaten path with it.
What’s the “plenty of stuff that doesn’t work”? And what audio/video issues are you having? Pipewire is miles better than anything Windows can conjure up in latency, quality, and customization. Video is literally just rendering pixels, which works with web browsers, and local video players (mpv and vlc). The only valid complaint is [Windows] software availability.
A better use case for linux desktop could not have been invented.
Thought about it.. but drivers are hell..
You just download them, like with windows?
If you've never downloaded drivers manually it's super easy these days. You'll get a tool from the device manufacturer that checks your hardware and system and automatically installs the correct driver with computer restarts at the correct places. You just press the go button.
That said most default drivers are open source and included in Linux, so you should be able to get by without downloading anything unless you need the latest manufacturer driver.
I've been using Linux at home for a decade now and have never needed to install a driver.
You usually don't need to download drivers in Linux, unless you want to use some really special hardware
I have installed Linux on a dozen computers from crummy laptops to custom build with graphics card. Most went fine. For the graphics card one, I installed popos to avoid learning about internals , but I could have spent time to solve it, I was lazy.
But I recommend having several distros on usb to do tests . That way things are easiest. Some installs have default settings that work best for random computers. So just spend a few minutes on each to test sound, WiFi and graphics. 5 minutes on each to test 10 flavors
No need to mess with any text settings at all these days.. I mean, you can
Not to dog pile, but unless it’s some niche hardware drivers are the last thing that springs to mind on my Linux boxes.
I will say the Linux volunteers have a slight blind spot for creative workflows.
Linux has drivers baked in to the kernel or is a dependency smth doesn't work try another distro or install nvidia non free driver
They havent been since 10 years ago. Nvidia excempted.
Oh, look, a post on Lemmy about Windows. I'm excited to engage in a unique, nuanced discussion about the topic of the post!
So glad I'm not on Reddit where people just repeat the same predictable thing over and over then jerk each other off.
(I use Linux too. But I hate seeing copy+paste Linux shilling on every Windows post. It's preaching to the choir and uninspired.)
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Linux. The operating system is extremely nuanced, and without a solid grasp of command-line interfaces and system architecture, most of the concepts will go over a typical user’s head. There's also the community's open-source philosophy, which is intricately woven into its development—its principles draw heavily from the ideals of free software and collaborative coding. The true enthusiasts grasp this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to appreciate the depths of these systems, to realize that they’re not just functional—they represent a radical shift in computing. As a consequence, people who dislike Linux truly ARE uninformed; of course, they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the brilliance behind commands like "sudo," which itself is a profound commentary on user permissions and control. I'm smirking right now just imagining those confused novices scratching their heads in bewilderment as the power of the terminal unfolds before them. What fools... how I pity them. And yes, by the way, I DO have a Linux tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the tech-savvy eyes only—and even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Linux.
Not necessarily. ChromeOS is Linux, and is easier to learn/use than Windows is.
The true enthusiasts grasp this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to appreciate the depths of these systems, to realize that they’re not just functional—they represent a radical shift in computing.
Unix (which Linux is based on) is 50 years old. I agree that Unix/Linux is vastly superior to Windows though.
It's all part of the authentic lemmy experience.
Wtf is this a reasonable comment to discuss a nuanced topic where a person who never used Linux and has no desire to can maybe find options to adjust and keep my windows from enshittifying?
Inb4 get linux
I get it. I just don't want to learn a new operating system. And to make it work for most of what I use my computer for.
Win10 LTSC still has quite a few years left.
It’s not available for individual consumers though unless you pirate it, isn’t it? (which makes it perfectly good reason to pirate it)
Pirating it is a bad idea if you're downloading it from a non-Microsoft source, since malware would be a big risk. That would defeat the purpose of installing a supported OS in the first place. If you download it from Microsoft and use a pirated key maybe that would work, but would you get the security updates?
What's the point of staying with Windows 10? You're just pushing the problem further ahead in time. You might as well start leaning Linux now, instead of waiting til you have no other choice.
I can only speak for myself, but I have always had bad luck with Linux on desktop. Something always breaks, isn't compatible, or requires a lengthy installation process involving compiling multiple libraries because no .deb or .rpm is available.
On servers, it's fantastic. If you count VMs, I have far more Linux installations than Windows. In general, I use Win10 LTSC for anything that requires a GUI and Ubuntu Server for anything that only needs CLI or hosts a web interface.
Windows Mixed Reality (ie: Windows VR) was deprecated and removed from Windows 11.
So, if you have a WMR VR Set, you're going to be stuck with Windows 10 (or an even lesser supported Version of windows 11 - v 23H2).
It really sucks, given the price point I've throughly enjoying my Odyssey+. I've had it for 4 years, but now I'd need to decide if I dual boot (which sucks) or see if another VR headset reaches my price point (which is also dumb, because I don't find the O+ to be "that bad").
Thank fuck, it'll stop asking for reboots.
inb4 reboot to install windows 11
I deliberately did not enable SecureBoot or whatever it is that prevents it from updating.
My steam deck has taught me that I'll be completely OK running linuxn(probably arch) as my daily driver with a win 11 dual boot (maybe just a vm?) for things that simply won't work on proton.
SteamOS is not the same as its base Arch Linux. If you want something slightly easier but still Arch-based, try EndeavourOS (but please not Manjaro).
If you have the time, try switching on your own terms within the next year. It's almost guaranteed you'll run into issues, but trying to dual-boot now rather than later gives you all the time you need to figure it out before MS forces you on Windows 11.
Fortunately this won't be my first dance with dual booting Linux, I've tried it a half dozen times since the late 90s, going as far back as multibooting booting slackware, nt4 and win98. I'm sure I'll go through a few distros before settling on one that works for me. I've also got 6 drives in my pc (2 nvme, 2 sata ssd and 2 HDD) so I have lots of room to play. One major thing for me is HDR support which is pretty new in Linux so I'm not sure where we stand on that.
Genuine question, what are your criticisms of Manjaro? I've been on it since about 2019, and haven't had any major complaints.
For me, it feels like the best mix of features I've found so far. Pacman, AUR, very up-to-date repos, and Archwiki, without a lot of the major PITA manual labor I experienced with Arch. No shade on Arch, I just don't have time in my life to constantly be tinkering and fixing basic stuff I want to just work.
Curious why some people recommend against Manjaro now.
You may want to try Arch in a vm before daily driving it. It's an excellent distro, but vanilla Arch is a far cry from SteamOS.
I’ve been daily driving Endeavour OS for a few months now and it’s great. It’s Arch based so there is a learning curve but it’s worth getting over the hump.
Give Bazzite a try if you like Steam OS
Do not use Arch as a daily driver if you are a beginner.
Despite what some people will try to claim, Arch is not stable.
I'm in a similar boat. There have been some setbacks, but I've been planning a desktop build to replace my gaming laptop from 2015 for a long while now. SteamOS has given me the confidence to commit to an AMD build with a Linux OS. I've been on the fence between a few distro options though. Maybe mint, maybe Nobara, there have been a few others.
This will be the best thing that ever happened to Linux. Hell, it might even make it up to 4.5% market share.
Linux is already at 4.5%
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/
Last I heard it was 4%.
Maybe it will make 5% next year, then.
Honestly, i predict people and businesses will keep using Win10 years after it's become unsafe. We've all seen the local warehouse still running Windows 7, i'm thinking that scenario but for millions of users.
That's a cybersecurity problem, but what i'm most concerned with is the e-waste problem, because there's still going to be a lot of users that do replace their PC. There aren't enough Linux users to buy all the computers that will be rendered obsolete, and there won't be by then either. I myself am a new Linux user but i'm already covered, i don't need more computers, not even for cheap.
I just really hope this doesn't end with millions of good computers landfilled or parted. The third world already buys a lot of our e-waste, so i hope they'll get a crapton of relatively good computers for cheap and run either Win10 or Linux
We’ve all seen the local warehouse still running WIndows 7
Why would they stop? They don't need the internet. They gain nothing by using a different version of windows.
Most (hopefully all) computers in industry running outdated OSs are disconnected from the internet for that exact reason.
It will legit be a fantastic era for Linux on the desktop though... imagine how cheap we'll be able to get perfectly good hardware.
I think so too, but like i said there's only so many computers that you can find a use for.
I think. That wasn't a challenge, don't prove me wrong
Cool, now I can try and remember to get fully migrated to Linux before October next year.
I'm really excited for when the health authority I'm working for that uses win10 needs to frantically switch every machine to win11... Going to be such a relaxing time
/s
You’re using a consumer version of Windows? Businesses can pay for extended support.
Literally moved everything to Linux (Nobara) like 3 weeks ago and the only thing I can't get to work is Bizhawk which I can easily get around. It's insane how far Linux has come for gaming and whatnot.
I was thinking how, back in the day, the most popular web browser was IE, which wasn't on Linux. Now the most popular browser is Chrome, which has been on Linux since 2009 or whenever it was.
And of course lots of other big software is on Linux, like VS Code, Zoom, Slack, Skype. And Linux is on the Steam Deck. So yes I agree, Linux has come a long way.
Frrr I distrohopped alot till I landed to cachyos its not that bad anymore
Already switched to linux. I still have one windows drive that I haven't booted for about a year. Haven't relied on virtual machines or anything.
I've turned a few older neighbors on to Linux when they complained that window updates caused their PC's to run too slow.
I'd tell them 'before you go out and buy a new computer, let me install Linux if you don't like it, you lose nothing. In the end, each one of them was happy their computer was running like new again.
I'd rather pay for security updates than invite more AI and Microsoft sponsored spyware onto my computer...
Hopefully instead of turning into a bunch of e-waste, a bunch of "useless" desktops flood refurbishers, and refurbished desktops become even cheaper. I wouldn't mind replacing my dying media server.
every few years on Linux Discord groups across the internet
"Hi, Windows just stopped support, you guys got any suggestions?"
"You should definitely try LFS, it's great and you'll have exactly what you want!"
"Arch btw! Customize everything and no bloat, hurr durr!"
"NixOS is the future, go for it!"
Mint
So, could users just ignore that and just buy an anti-virus product or use 0patch? If it's like Widows 8, most apps will still be updated for a few years.
Generally speaking that's ill-advised, antimalware tools rely on heuristics and active samples.
You don't wanna be the first person to get xyz virus. It's certainly better than nothing though.
Unless you have an app you can't live without Linux is the most accessible than it ever has been.
As a heavy user of Playit Live, Excel with macros and Google Drive, I'm stuck in a Windows World for a while yet. The first two could maybe run in Boxes if I send the audio to a USB device.
The most important thing to get updates in the browser tbh. That's the source of nearly everything bad these days, and the main reason somebody would bother to update their PC.
I reckon they'll continue providing updates for those for as long as there's enough people using it. It's not like Google are going to willing turn round and go "whelp, no more adverts and spying for these millions of users!"
And enable a strict firewall
"Switch to Linux" is always the answer but a Nvidia graphics card, Stream Deck, and GoXLR are all things I use every single day, with no official linux support I'm never going to be able to use it as a daily driver. I have plenty of VMs that I run Linux on, but it's just a non-starter for my day to day gaming rig.
MS should have done what they said and made W10 "the last version of windows" instead of doing the typical corpo bullshit and coming out with an even worse version.
As someone who switched to Linux, and found reasons not to for literal decades, this has helped me:
Have a second ssd in your PC that is untarnished by the windows bootloader.
This way one can easily switch via BIOS / UEFI and no other annoying software.
Dual booting is also less annoying, if you switch via boot menu. It lets you test drive and configure Linux anytime you're in the headspace for it and reduces pressure on yourself.
Install linux on it. My current favorite for your situation would be Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop Spin (what a mouthful). Have another exfat partitioned usb disk ready for file exchange with windows. Again, this makes handling windows easier, has nothing to do with linux.
Nvidia on fedora works good enough. third party repos also help a lot.
streamdeck is wonderful hardware, I know a friend who uses it daily with streamdeck_ui
- same with GoXLR Configuration Utility. Software is there, the only question is does it work for you.
This is to my knowledge as close to "official" as you can get. Good luck on your journey!
That will be my next plan, 2 NVMe boot disks, but that may not be before next year. I've been using PopOS, fedora, and Mint in VMs for about a year now just messing around and getting a handle on the GUI side of things since most of my debian containers are cli only.
I'll look into GoXLR and Streamdeck plugins again, thank you for that, I looked a while ago and it was a long way from my comfort level, but given the amount of docker/debian I've messed with in the last year, that may be attainable now.
I'm starting to set up a dual boot and this helps me. I have a 1TB SSD with Windows, and later bought a 2TB SSD for games. I've shrunk the latter's partition so I can set up Linux, and I may reconfigure bios to make that the default boot device.
Dude Tc helicon dropped software support for the GoXLR 1 year ago, indeed the community continuing the support for this device was at first a GoXLR control software for Linux that, after some time, became a windows app too. https://github.com/GoXLR-on-Linux/GoXLR-Utility
Holy crap, I had no idea. Someone else posted that utility as well, I'm going to bookmark it for when I get another NVMe to put a linux distro on
Not trying to make you do something you don;t want to do, but my Nvidia machine is working seemingly perfectly with bazzite, I'd assume the other fedora immutables with different focuses might work as well.
Thank you, I know I have more homework to do on this before I make a final decision, but the more info the better.
Back in my day it was Lynx 2012 / apocalypse / whatever it was called saying that was the last Lynx they'd ever make. To my annoyance, it turns out they were lying. Although I don't tend to hang out with the sort of people that blast themselves with Lynx so I guess it makes no difference either way
Other people pointed out that nvidia and the goxlr have software, but you should know that theres a linux app for the stream deck.
I'll switch my windows drive to the LTSC IoT version, when this happens. The only reason I have dual boot is for a fallback, if some games make trouble. For example for whatever reason BG3 multiplayer freezes randomly on linux. Single player is fine though. So until I got that sorted out I can fall back to windows. But when even the LTSC support runs out, then that's it completely for me.
Yep. Dual booting LTSC and Linux here.
I need to get a bootloader working though. I've just been defaulting to Windows for a few months. But I want to spend more time on Linux.
I'm definitely migrating to Linux at some point before then
Want any help doing so?
I'll probably put windows enterprise iot lts on a vm in case I ever need to use a windows computer.
With the different distros of Linux, do different things support different distros? Like Zoom is support on Arch but not Mint, and Steam is supported in Mint but not Arch; or if an app supports Linux, it is on all distros? And if there is differences, do you have different partitions for different types of Linux?
When an app supports linux, it can do so by either:
- packaging it for popular distro repositories,
- giving instructions on how to build the app from the source code
or
- package it on distro-agnostic, package management solutions like flatpak or appImage.
These last ones are sandboxed environments. That means they have their own dependencies isolated from your system, so they dont have to deal with every distros pecularities at the cost of using more storage space. This is very useful for developers and in your case benefitial for the user because you can have both steam and zoom via flatpak on mint, arch or any obscure distro that has flatpak available, without any major problems.
Edit: Formatting
Yup. The big downside to flatpak is that, as you said, it takes up more space.
To make a Windows comparison, imagine needing to install Java separately for every single program that needs it. Flatpaks tend to be orders of magnitude larger than technically necessary, simply because they’re sandboxed and come with everything they need to run, even if you already have it installed.
All distros are equivalent, as far as software is concerned. They all have access to the same open source software, and Flatpak; AppImage; and Snap can be used for extra portability.
Think of a distro like a pre-configured image of linux. You can always change the configuration later, if you desire. For example, the Desktop Environment. All you have to do is just install a different DE package (usually via command line)
The DE has a major impact on user experience. Use KDE plasma for a more windows-familiar experience, or Gnome for a more Mac-familiar experience. Or experiment with others
The Linux Experiment is a good resource
Distributions are all of the same operating system, they differ in the set of applications and installation management tools. Except for those with different libc than glibc, things will generally work everywhere. Maybe with some effort.
We have all heard this song before and know how it ends.
Yeah. A lot of people loudly declaring that they're switching to Linux, followed by them staying with Windows anyway.
time to block microsoft in pihole then.
no Microsoft, no updates.
To be fair, I may have stopped getting updates anyway? I suspect what happened is typical, that some Win10 update bugged the update process and I was supposed to either roll it back or get the next one by hand and just... didn't.
It is my intention to start looking at linux distros and have one installed by Summer 25...assuming I haven't immolated in a wildfire or been sent to a detention center by then.
Same thing happened to me a few years ago. My old laptop from 2013 is hardware incompatible with something in modern Windows10 and when it tried installing the late 2019 update it just died. Had to buy a new laptop to keep working.
Today, that same laptop is happily running Arch Linux. I'm still trying to decide what I'll do with the main gaming PC.
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Windows 11 requires a TPM chip. On some phones, a TPM exchanges a small, memorable pin for a large key with which to unlock your phone, and only allows so many guesses (20 usually) before it locks up...allegedly.
They can be unlocked with an electron microscope, but that's expensive enough that FBI is going to be resistant to do that to any but the most important devices.
However, apparently Microsoft and Intel are releasing TPMs they can access, not to block off outsiders for the users, but to keep the highest tiered access reserved for the OS controller. That being Microsoft. So your Windows 11 computer isn't yours, rather you're borrowing it from Big MS... and eventually any other state or institution that figures out how to hack it open.
It's not like Microsoft hasn't pulled this kind of stuff since the 1990s, trying to lock down control of every computer for its own profit.
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HDR support and Adobe support... All I really still need...
Plasma on Wayland does have HDR support now... But I don't have a way to test how good it is, and I think it's both still unfinished and severely lacking support from applications. But hey, things are improving!
I wouldn't count on Adobe support though.
Yeah, Adobe is the worst.
Hdr support is only rlly a thing on kde, and I think gnome is implementing it, and adobe... No thanks.
This sucks for me. I have to install Windows 11 on my other hardrive for work. I daily drive Linux.
work is work
I'd get a whole second machine and a KVM switch, it would save you much trouble
That is actually a great idea.
It's hell. But at least you can dial boot the damn thing.
Good. I happen to know companies that will have to kick out some rather nice machines that happen to be just under spec for Win11. Those machines are still top for running Linux.
Still waiting for Fedora to get VR support
Edit for the downvoter: All the VR support apps have about a million compile requirement hoops and dependency hell to jump through before Fedora can integrate them as packages.
Graphic card ist what get's me nervos
I have an old pc running windows 10, it would be cool if it stops getting updates. Makes for a nice offline pc to get some old apps and games running in the future.
I'm probably one of the last people who use Win 8.1. The only thing I use there is Smart Switch to back up my phone. For everything else, there is Mint. I'll keep up with that setup until my hardware fails.
Cant wait to erase windows in October 14 2025 I just need better app support for me idc a out adobe Microsoft office and stuff and roblox I have a few options sober or delete roblox thinking of deleting roblox due to the moderation thing
That was some sentence.
True just my plans and stuff
The year of OpenBSD desktop it is, then!
I'm serious, I'm getting burnout not just from Windows, but even from Linux.
And saying that every GUI is easier to use than every TUI or every config file format is wrong.
GUIs can be hard and easy to use. Config file formats can be hard and easy to use.
The fallacy is that GUIs can theoretically be navigated "intuitively" without looking for documentation for setting up stuff, but in fact I dare you try it.
OpenBSD was the easiest system to maintain on desktop I've had.
Unfortunately, I wanted Wine and gamez.
OK, no rtw88 for OpenBSD, so ... no.
Oh no! Anyway, nobody cares but Linux folks looking to prove how much better Linux is.
And tax payers who have to replace perfectly good systems in schools and government offices.
Here in my southeast European shithole I'm not worrying about my tax money, the upgrade is going to be pretty cheap, they're just going to switch from unlicensed XP to unlicensed Win7.
There will be DOZENS of 10 year old computers that survived 10n years of service in a library or student run orgs. Dozens I tell you!
Let's fix school funding instead of using it as an edge case to support old ass hardware that can barely hold 10fps in a zoom call.
Windows 10 will have been around for 10 years at that point. That’s a pretty good run. You know another OS that is stopping support after 10 years? Ubuntu 14 LTS, but no one complains about that. People freaked out when Windows 7 went EOL, and XP before that.
Ubuntu isn't as paid as Windows. Also, newer Ubuntu versions don't need the user to throw their machine away because TPM 2.0 or NPUs are missing. Maybe these are two of the main reasons why nobody is complaining about its EOL.
I just find it fucking hilarious that people expect software to be supported in excess of 10 years, paid or not, when that’s never really been the case over the past 40 years of software. Sure someone will probably come up with an edge case somewhere, but if you developed software, and continually released versions and updates, would you want to maintain a version you released that long ago?
XP was kind of a F up for MS, they gave us a really decent OS that raised our expectations. People ran that for almost 2 decades because no one wanted the new OS's MS was putting out like ME and Vista. Win 8 was out when XP support fully ended and many people chose to go with the older Win 7 because it was less intrusive and more like a PC OS instead of trying to become like a Apple/phone/tablet interface. XP>Win 7>Win 10>Win 11 imo and all the unmentioned weren't worth upgrading for, but I don't use my phone for the internet and I've been using a PC for over 40 years. We like what's familiar and we can use without having to think too much about the tool used to achieve what we're doing. I have Win 11 on a laptop and I have to jump through a lot more hoops to control my desktop, who can pull my info, what can install, what can run in the background. And every update I have to do it again because they add shit back in again along with new stuff I don't want or need. Win 10 professional at least minimized how often they'd add new stuff or change my existing settings. Win 11 Pro doesn't seem nearly as friendly.
