Jill Stein: The Grifter Who May Hand Trump the White House Again

This video was clearly created by leopard supporters who just wanna be mad at tiger for leopard's failure to beat gorilla. Leopards are basically just light gorillas. Vote tiger.

I love CGP Grey, but he doesn't really understand politics. Proportional representation is a terrible system and leads to party control and extremists gaining too much power. Something a spreadsheet won't tell you.

Star is flawed too, it incentivises people who are voting for the underdog to not rank any other candidate or your own ballot could spoil your preferred candidate. If all thrid party voters voted to mathmatically optimize their candidates chance, Star voting wouldn't change anything for them. RCV is better if you're trying to actually engage thrid parties.

Star doesn't fix the 'spoiler effect' unless you decide not to give your preferred candidate the largest mathematical advantage your ballot can provide, and if you do want to ballot optimize, you should only rank one person, and then were right back to where we started.

RCV in single member electorates is pretty meh, and yeah RCV in general has its issues. But saying it's "slightly better" than FPTP is a MASSIVE understatement.

Change begets change, don't be against changing to something much better, just because it isn't perfect.

we could do what maine is doing, i think it's either RCV or IRV. Whatever the difference is, if there is one.

The green party likes it for presidential elections where RCV doesn't really come into play at all because there aren't three viable parties. They are just making up grievance politics because rcv would never affect them since they never run for anything but president. Democrats are educated enough to know the green party is a scam and Republicans are too ignorant to vote for anything named green.

Certainly not like the DNC which sued to keep RCV off the DC ballot, or Alexandria county VA which opted not to implement it in 2024 because it might confuse the black community?

Paraphrase from Historian Kevin Kruse:

"No, l'm not voting [for the better one of the two major parties in a first past the post system] this election. But rest assured that when the Trump administration starts arresting my nonwhite neighbors and forcing them onto the trains, I'm going to have a pretty big frown on my face. That way, everyone will know it's not my fault."

I didn't ask whether David Doonan had published a press release on a janky web site which was mostly complaining about Democrats trying to remove Green Party members from the ballot, in this FPTP election. This also somehow finds a way to blame the lack of RCV on the Democrats, when a lot of them support it. Here's a list:

https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/endorsers/

I don't see any Green Party people there. I have never heard Jill Stein talk about it, and I've heard her say a bunch of things. That's strange to me. But regardless of that, that's not what I asked. I also didn't ask whether you plan to vote for Kamala Harris. My question was:

Anyone in this thread who is saying Jill Stein is extremely important, but haven’t been saying anything about ranked choice voting or changing the voting system to make third parties realistic: Why? What’s your goal, why did you make that decision about your priorities?

Do you want to answer that question? You don't have to. You can change the subject again, if you'd like to.

Your comment is fascist and while I was reading it my fascist shoes became untied. I would tie them but the strings are fascist. I apologize for using so many fascist letters in my words. At least periods aren't fascist... yet.

God, you again.

Even without him, Stein had it handled by herself. Why do you think she’s back? Jr, who was funded by a Repub PAC, dropped out. Then Stein re-appeared.

I can. The dude is fucking nuts.

Wouldn't the libertarians take more votes from the Republicans than the Dems?

the states to campaign heavy in would be the deep blue/red states.

Agreed. If a third party pulls off a major change in one of these states, it's still likely to go for it's color regardless so the presidential outcome is not affected, but it'd force the relevant parties to examine why the third party was able to make such huge inroads and what of their own policies that they should change.

It’s blantantly obvious what’s she’s doing.

But for posterity I'll state it; she's spoiling for a GOP win.

Yeah, that's the nature of the Electoral College. It sucks. Do you think the Electoral College is something Kamala Harris invented or even wants?

Hate the game, not the playa.

I think that Hillary Clinton showed us the opposite. If the Democratic candidate goes too close to the center, they risk losing the left, and they deserve to lose the left at that point. If the Democrats had tried to put a halfway decent strategy together about Israel, there would be zero worry about a third party. And I don't like single issue voters, but if I had to pick a single issue, genocide would be at the top of the list.

Voting isn't public so how the hell does everyone keep assuming we know who voted for her at the election?

The people that didn't vote for her didn't vote for her.
You can't claim she didn't get the trump republican voters so it's an indicator she needs to move to the left, right? Or Libertarian party?

Its weird false logic based on feelings about justifying a truly tiny group of people voting green as villians. the main base of Kamalas voters should also be Democrats who shouldn't pander and frack just cause she needed an extra 2% at the polls. We are gonna shift further right for that and more Republicans instead of going for any undecided first?

I don't get it. Make the logic make sense.

funny that with instant runoff voting, your vote would go to a larger party as soon as your fringe candidate got eliminated.

The only person who would represent me is myself, and I wouldn't vote for myself because I don't want that shitty job

So you're saying that Jill Stein, the Russian asset who is actively working to get Donald Trump elected president, represents you and your group?

Why aren't you so noisy during primaries?

Oh that's right, your true intentions are masked by bullshit.

What kills me about this is if the neolib dems had taken just a moment at the primary to cast their vote for undecided to show the Dem leadership that genocide was a non negotiable issue they should do the right thing on, it might have worked.

wait, what's stopping them? Not voting because it's not important to them? Sounds like democracy working as intended to me.

100%

But look around this place. Its still the same Blue MAGA here trying to bash peoples head in (now for Harris, then for Biden) as before.

The same people that would demand we drive off a cliff with Biden at the wheel are the ones insisting that we need to support Harris in-spite of her genocide policy, instead of trying to move her on the issue. Like we literally need her to fix her policy or she literally can't get elected. And its self-evident in the data we have. She's now losing, not even accounting for the structural biases we should very much expect from RW fuckery and the EC.

Like just come out against genocide. Its fucking easy. It can be a fucking lie. Just fucking lie to us so we can convince enough people to get you elected Harris.

There is a world in which it's not her fault or anyone else's fault. You can run a flawless campaign and lose for reasons beyond your control, or any other single stakeholder's control.

I’m going to blame [Undecided] if that happens, but we all know [Undecided] is going to become vapor just after the election and then reroll and alt character masquerading as a victim of their own ignorance come November…

So yeah… we all know they won’t be around to take their bow and own it.

Yeah why don't we all just send Harris a harshly worded letter while ignoring people who throw away their vote. Yep absolutely makes sense!

i would hope not, but idk why else you would be running lmao

Apparently enough people are voting for her to inspire the Democrats to spend mone on ads against her.

Maybe someday we’ll have people blame the DNC for choosing to back unpopular opinions/policies losing the popularity contest against

the DNC is choosing unpopular policy? Brother this is a representative democracy. If harris wins, it's because it was the popular policy/stances. There is literally no alternative here unless you thing there is a deep state rigging the elections or that the majority of the american populous isn't real or something lmao.

Thats fine. Theres only 2% of the electorate who are jewish, and a good portion of that 2% also dont support the zionist faction. We give some of them and the youth voters a voice to fight on our behalf. We need to keep the youth vote on side or the party is long term doomed anyway. Any leader who says they are swayed by the voice of youth has a long career ahead of them.

We also say that, "we arent steering the US away from support of Israel, we're steering it away from the far right government sponsored violence of Netenyahu." And we claim we're happy to be friends again when moderates or lefties are in charge in Israel. The zionists cant pretend to have clean hands, and Netenyahu needs to go.

Yes an arms embargo net her an easy win.

The Jewish community does not care about sending infinite weapons to Netanyahu.

Oooh, so Kamala is playing 5D chess and will do an about-face on Biden's genocide policy when she enters office? Because her past record is so stellar on this issue? Like that time she had wine from an illegal settlement served at the White House? She and her boss wipe their ass with the rule of all and all pretensions of even basic human morality on an international level, but she's not Trump!

They really do, oddly enough, for multiple reasons.

If you took half that energy and redirected it towards getting your candidate to stop funding genocide, you might convince actual humans to vote for your genocidal cop.

Or its an easy group to blam a cause they are visible and with same fancy logic and math you can pretend their votes belonged to the Democratic Party. You can't just assume they would have voted that way. They can even write in. Non voters are an issue but blaming another group is liking blaming Jews because they work at the bank you think took your house.

Its crazy conspiracy and emotional logic at best.

keffiyeh

just googled around a little and im not the only one that sees a chainlink fence...I suppose it fits the current state of gaza too.

we won’t have to hear from her

Hopefully not even her shitty folk rock albums.

You can write your forgiveness down on a peice of paper and fold it till its all sharp corners and jam it, for all any of us care

The dems need progressive votes to win much of anything, whether they will admit it or not, the numbers dont lie. Pushing to the right so you can get "independent" voters has never worked, but the dems try it in every election. So you should be asking if progressives will forgive you. If Harrs didnt take AIPAC bribes she'd already have the numbers to win. But she took the dirty foreign fascist bribes so here we are. Try the carrot for a change. Your stick is laughable.

Hey I didn't say I was voting for her. I'm just pointing out the emotional animosity of finding an easy scapegoat. This is literally proving my point that it's just an emotional answer.

You just want someone to blame.

They don't. I've been trying to explain basic political concepts to my older cousin for 20 years and he's been voting for Jill Stein at every turn, and then pretended to be disappointed that a republican won as a nepobaby landlord that hates paying taxes.

People who will vote for a Russian sponsored Republican spoiler are too stupid to be trusted with anything. Or they are morally bankrupt and smart enough to hide it.

If Kamala loses it will be her fault. The fact that we'll all suffer for it is beside the point. You might think it's irrelevant, but establishment Dems lose over and over again by ignoring what the left tells them, then they turn around and blame the left. Continuing to indulge their delusions just leads to more losses.

This really isn't about Trump anymore. The Republican party has been transformed, and every single Republican candidate for the foreseeable future is going to be just as much a threat to democracy as Trump, if not more so.

The Greens hurt Democrats far less than the libertarians hurt Republicans, and neither is going anywhere. Democrats need to focus on being better candidates, not finding someone else to blame.

So Harris should pander better. Otherwise she's clearly not taking the seriousness of a Trump win seriously enough. Pander better.

Maybe they should stop sending unlimited bombs to the psychos air striking refugee tents?

Typical.

Sure. But they won't anyways. It doesn't matter if you think Kamal a Harris is owed the votes if the person can't vote for Jill Stein but there is no reason to think they would vote that way at all.

You can't control other people or expect them to suddenly pick another option if they have one in mind.

I don't get where this idea that all those votes belong to the Democratic party. They could write in or not vote or vote red or other non party... Why is it that everyone focuses in on these votes? Is it a comfort blanket? Because it seems delusional if you step back from it.

Pretty sure that they don't count Stein votes for Trump. Only Trump votes can make Trump win.

Not sure which nonsense you're referring to.

How old do you think I am?

Blue Maga setting up a punching bag as an excuse.

Green's not even polling in measurable numbers yet here we are. Blue Maga doesn't want to be held accountable for their pro-genocide candidate.

Pied Piper, ignoring the rust belt, a shit candidate with shitty politics. She overwhelmingly contributed.

Everything she touches she screws up with hubris - Colin Powell

Thanks friend 🙂. What exactly did it cost me?