You know what the cool thing is? Those of us who were wrong for one reason or another will actually about it. We don't pretend we were right the whole time. We don't pretend it just didn't happen.
Hindsight being what it is, I'm almost wondering if the timing was planned in advance. Biden already told us he'd be a one term president. If in 10 years they came out and said "Yeah, that was the plan from day one but we couldn't tell anyone" I would absolutely believe it.
I'm glad everyone feels this way, I do too. I thought with Joe we had pretty solid chances of winning, but now with Kamala I think we're going to win by a lot more than Joe won by last time around.
Same here. What a pleasant surprise this whole turnaround has been. I was certainly pesimistic that the Democrats would somehow make the situation even worse, like perhaps bring Clinton back.
Don't forget boogaloo fellas and local cops who have been taken in by some kind of propaganda and left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected. I hope not, but the convention has the potential to be a fuckin atom bomb of colliding toxic forces.
Biden seems to be going all in for Harris, but according to the AP, the DNC still hasn't updated their paperwork to reflect Biden dropping out, so it could very well end up a shit show.
I got plenty of flak for suggesting Joe needed to go. The thing is, Kamala isn't a perfect candidate either but holy hell the (perceived) difference in voter attitudes is absolutely palpable. With Joe we'd have had people voting Trump just to avoid falling asleep (not supporting that at all, but the average voter operates on extremely simple heuristics).
The big danger with Biden wasn't people switching to Trump. It was people not voting at all. Democrats realized that would hurt down-ballot candidates, too.
Just another voice in the crowd to say "Same". Herein lies one of the major differences I see with "R" vs "D". One side sees learning and admitting mistakes as the ultimate sin, whereas the other generally embraces learning and changing a viewpoint as new information comes to light.
Just to remind everyone in 2016 people had pretty much already planned their Clinton victory parties and everyone "knew" that Trump was going to lose, the polling was so clear and Trump was such a joke. Perhaps some even took care of "more important" stuff than voting because it was so sure.
So keep your excitement to take you to the voting booths rather than letting it make you complacent.
Even then, the error % on polls is high enough that Trump could be ahead instead.
Polls post their calculated error %. If they could be off by like 5% in either direction, then that’s what they say. And if the poll shows Trump losing by 2%, with a 5% error, that means Trump could win by 3%.
Every single reputable poll that has been published shows a Trump victory within the margin of error.
Thanks for saying this. It's Mid-August. There are two whole months in which things can go wildly off the rails. Rather than celebrating polls in mid-August, let's take this happy energy and make plans to go to the only poll that matters -- the actual election -- and make these mid-August hopes turn into January certainty. Plan the celebrations after we win in November, to coincide with Harris taking the Oath in January.
There are two whole months in which things can go wildly off the rails.
It’s astonishing how long the US election cycle is. There’s longer until the next US election than the entire campaign here in the UK, yet it’s all I’ve heard about for the past three years.
The polls only look good because they're so much better than they were for Biden. It's still a toss-up, because those percentages are within the margin of error of the polls. (At least, for most of the swing states.)
This would suggest that the polls indicated that Hilary was more popular despite Trump going on to win the popular vote. This did not happen. The majority of Americans dislike Trump and he lost the popular vote and never had an approval rating over 50%.
However, there's a lot of reporting on polls that operate like the popular vote, despite the popular vote not really mattering.
The actual assessment is that the electoral college just doesn't reflect/represent the majority of Americans, and it never really did.
Yeah, don't be so sure of winning that you get too lazy to fricking vote. And also watch out because I'm sure there will be some dirty tricks around polling stations as certain Republican areas get desperate
Honestly, I think this is one of the many reasons the hard right hate mail-in voting. There is less time for them pull off their typical rat-fucking dirty tricks if people already mailed in their votes.
Unfortunately I don't see Kamala winning just yet, nothing is certain, there's a lot of Trump supporters in the wood work, and the establishment liberal media play a game of "maybe if we pretend they're losing, they'll lose".
...which is wishful thinking that destroys people's grip on reality, and causes a lot of voters to not bother to show up.
We're draining his power, and we cannot stop. There can be no question that this referendum on him and the culture he fosters is wrong and cannot/ will not be tolerated any longer.
I think Trump is accustomed to thinking his spouses are lesser beings that exist only to bolster his image and serve at his pleasure, and he probably harbors deep feelings of disdain for all of them that he can't express publicly.
So for him it totally tracks to be married to a type of person that you hate.
And Trump's wife, mother, and grandfather are and were immigrants, but it doesn't stop him from hating immigrants. That type of inconsistency isn't an issue for him, so I imagine calling Harris an antisemite is perfectly reasonable to him.
As much as I'd like to celebrate, I can only think about how the attitude was the same regarding Hillary, and we all saw how that turned out. Fingers crossed.
People hated Hillary though. I know everyone who liked her wanted to say it was sexism but the Clinton's are fucking crooks. I don't like that Kamala put a bunch of people in prison for weed but there isn't any evidence that she killed people for political gain.
Hell, Hillary even kept Henry Kissinger around while campaigning Somehow thinking that was a good idea? Basically a hello America, look at this war criminal I am good friends with, let me talk at length about how amazing this war criminal is. To say she was out of touch would be a bit of an understatement.
It's the truth, though... If trump could beat out Hillary, Kamala stands no chance in hell.
Edit: Quit reading into this. It's an opinion based on observation. It's fine if you disagree and want to tell me why I'm wrong. I welcome that. But assuming I'm pro-trump or anti-harris because of this comment is an assumption you shouldn't be making. I said nothing to indicate support for either.
The energy around Clinton was different, even most dems weren't thrilled with Hillary and she was unpopular with undecided voters, meanwhile we know and have seen the threat that is Trump, and Harris is fairing better so far.
We'll see of course, but it's not as similar as it might seem if you're just saying "Woman vs Trump is the same"
Clinton suffered from an overconfident base, that might not have shown up at the voting sites as they assumed it was in the bag. After 2016, some of those voters hopefully learned a lesson
Clinton suffered from a lot of bitter Sanders supporters. This time there was no big 'other' candidate people considered to have been cheated out of.
I know at least some people not crazy about any 'dynasty', and Clinton was mostly remembered by her relationship to Bill. Sure she was Secretary of State (no one cares) and NY senator (which was seen as weird, out of nowhere she was suddenly a NY political figure despite no particular affiliation with NY before).
Circumstances are different, and I don't think people were specifically excited over Hilary. I think some were excited about "a" woman candidate, but not really Clinton in particular.
Hilary lost because she sucked major ass. I didn't vote in 2016 because fuck political dynasties, and the DNC did everything it could to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination, which unfortunately worked. Being less young and stupid, I probably would have voted for her if I were in 2016 again. I would have hated it though, just as I would have hated voting for Biden but would have done so. I'm not particularly excited about Kamala but she's definitely a lot more palatable with SO much more appeal than Hillary or Biden had.
China and Vietnam seem to be doing pretty well as counties. China is markedly more Authoritarian than Vietnam (which is more unionist/laborist), but both are providing livability to their citizens.
Vietnam actually has less homelessness than the US.
Before anyone starts getting a bit too high off their own supply
Harris's polling averages peaked on August 12th. They were stagnant or declining on the 13th and 14th, briefly spiked on the 15th, and that spike was completely undone on the 16th. Today is dropping again. Not big drops, like 1/10th of a point every other day(which day depends on which conglomerates you use), but the growth trend is over.
Today is an all time high on slightly right leaning RCP, and a slight rebound on 538(But not to 12th/13th/15th levels). More like 16th or 11th evening. RCP tends to lag a bit on D rises and vice versa for 538 so we'll see. Still suggests the overall strong growth trend passed and we're nearing a ceiling. Not a bad ceiling, a winning ceiling, but it's there.
The Trump campaign's main strategy for 2024 isn't to actually win votes. It's to deliberately interfere with the counting of the votes and cast so much FUD on the process that as many states as possible either won't (because they're MAGA-controlled) or can't (because there was genuinely that much disruption) certify their votes. In other words, he wants to file dozens of lawsuits challenging the results again, but manufacture valid bases for them this time. Combine that with the chaos of more Jan 6-style violence, and it's very likely he will succeed in getting a decisive number of swing states decided by the Supreme Court a la Bush v. Gore -- and not only does the Supreme Court have a MAGA majority, three of the fucking "justices" were lawyers on Bush's side in that very court case!
This is why Trump is going around telling his supporters that they won't have to vote anymore after this election, and why he doubled down on it when given the chance to walk it back. He has every intention of so thoroughly destroying Americans' trust in Federal elections that four years from now he will simply make a dictatorial decree that it is pointless to have them and he will simply remain in power indefinitely.
Trump is 100% committed to seizing power and being coronated as America's king, votes be damned.
There is already cheating with gerrymandering and reduced voting areas in specific places in many places, so even if you see lots of activity that suggests a major win for Harris, vote anyway to cover those whose votes will be suppressed. That we even have to plan for that in a country that touts voting as a right is insane.
Angry orange will never stop flailing. Hes simply out of his depth and all the life preservers being thrown to him are just so much wet paper and about as effective
I didn't know it was already a thing. I assure you i made that up on the spot. If someone else already made the joke, then i didn't know. But im glad im not the only person who thinks it's funny.
It didn't hit him, maybe only his oversized ego got dented, a man behind him were hit, this guy should be in media on a daily basis, not Trump. DJT was scratched only.
He's a narcissist to the degree of it being a mental illness, I don't think most people are aware how little reality these people let into their psyche, to protect the image they have of themselves. There is no dent, this simply didn't happen for him.
Now, that's not fair. Conservatives offer more than just antivax misinfo.
They also have misogyny, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, anti-education, climate denialism, billionaire worship, war-mongering, domestic terrorism cheerleading and so much more!