This application looks fine to me.
Clearly labeled sections.
Local on one side, remote on the other
Transfer window on bottom.
No space for anything besides function, is the joke going over my head?
I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the program at all =)
Modern webapp deployment approach is typically to have an automated continuous build and deployment pipeline triggered from source control, which deploys into a staging environment for testing, and then promotes the same precise tested artifacts to production. Probably all in the cloud too.
Compared to that, manually FTPing the files up to the server seems ridiculously antiquated, to the extent that newbies in the biz can't even believe we ever did it that way. But it's genuinely what we were all doing not so long ago.
But it's genuinely what we were all doing not so long ago
Jokes on you, my first job was editing files directly in production. It was for a webapp written in Classic ASP. To add a new feature, you made a copy of the current version of the page (eg
index2_new.aspbecameindex2_new_v2.asp) and developed your feature there by hitting the live page with your web browser.When you were ready to deploy, you modified all the other pages to link to your new page
Good times!
Shitty companies did it like that back then - and shitty companies still don't properly utilize what easy tools they have available for controlled deployment nowayads. So nothing really changed, just that the amount of people (and with that, amount of morons) skyrocketed.
I had automated builds out of CVS with deployment to staging, and option to deploy to production after tests over 15 years ago.
This application looks fine to me.
Clearly labeled sections.
Local on one side, remote on the other
Transfer window on bottom
Thats how you know its old. Its not caked full of ads, insanely locked down, and trying yo sell you a subscription service.
Except that FileZilla does come with bundled adware from their sponsors and they do want you to pay for the pro version. It probably is the shittiest GPL-licensed piece of software I can think of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileZilla#Bundled_adware_issues
It even has questionably-helpful mysterious blinky lights at the bottom right which may or may not do anything useful.
The joke isn't the program itself, it's the process of deploying a website to servers.
The large .war (Web ARchive) being uploaded monolithicly is the archaic deployment of a web app. Modern tools can be much better.
Some of us still do 🙃
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Anybody that actually professionally deals with this kind of thing understands just how wrong you are.
I remember joining the industry and switching our company over to full Continuous Integration and Deployment. Instead of uploading DLL's directly to prod via FTP, we could verify each build, deploy to each environment, run some service tests to see if pages were loading, all the way up to prod - with rollback. I showed my manager, and he shrugged. He didn't see the benefit of this happening when, in his eyes, all he needed to do was drag and drop, and load the page to make sure all is fine.
Unsurprisingly, I found out that this is how he builds websites to this day...
People don't use FileZilla for server management anymore? I feel like I've missed that memo.
I suppose in the days of 'Cloud Hosting' a lot of people (hopefully) don't just randomly upload new files (manually) on a server anymore.
Even if you still just use normal servers that behave like this, a better practice would be to have a build server that creates builds, like whenever you check code into the Main branch, it'll create a deploy for the server, and you deploy it from there - instead of compiling locally, opening filezilla and doing an upload.
If you're using 'Cloud Hosting' - for example AWS - If you use VMs or bare metal - you'd maybe create Elastic Beanstalk images and upload a new Application or Machine Image as a new version, and deploy that in a more managed way. Or if you're using Docker, you just upload a new Docker image into a Docker registry and deploy those.
They have bundled malware from the main downloads on their own site multiple times over the years, and even denied it and tried gaslighting people that AVs were giving false positives because AV companies are paid off by other corporations. And the admin will even try to delete the threads about this stuff but web archive to the rescue...
You know what? I didn't believe you, since I'm using it for a long time on Linux and never had any issues with it. Today, when I helped a friend (on Windows) with some SFTP transfer and recommended FileZilla was the first time I realised the official Downloads page provides Adware. The executable even gets flagged by Microsoft Defender and VirusTotal. That's actually REALLY bad. Isn't FileZilla operated by Mozilla? Should I stop using it, even though the Linux versions don't have sketchy stuff? It definitely leaves a really bad taste.
FileZilla isn't even that old school, cuteftp was the OG one afaik.
No way, WS_FTP was more OG.
Oh god, I know all of these.
Also fuck Tim Kosse. Bundled Filezilla with malware and fucked up my machine in 2014. Had to reinstall Windows. I'll never use it again.
I use WinSCP on Windows and Forklift on MacOS.
I remember WS_FTP LE leaving log files everywhere. What a pain to clean up.
Yeah, I used to use filezilla and I'm not that old... Right? ...Right?
Sure, grandpa/grandma, time for your medicine.
I mean, a lot of docker files out there with
COPY . .True, but building the image is not the same as deploying to production.
Fair point
Somehow I miss those days. Now you need weeks of training to understand the black magic behind all the build/deployment stuff in whatever cloud provider your company decided to use…
We got our own platform based on kubernetes and cncf stuff and we don't have to care anymore about the metal underneath. AWS? OTC? Azure? Thats just a target parameter, platform does the rest. It's great.
Naa, once you figure out one the rest click usually.
I remember this. I also remember using
scpinstead. Andftp, if I go back far enough.rsyncis still my friend thoughzfshas mostly replaced it now.How has zfs replaced rsync for you? One is a filesystem, and the other is a filesyncing tool. Does zfs do something im not aware of lol?
I used to use
rsyncto copy data from my storage array on one machine to an external and an off site backup. Since a lot of it was code, it always took forever to scan all the small files, and I had to script unlocking remote partitions.With encrypted ZFS, I can just
zfs snapthenzfs send, and it does the same thing at the block level, raw, so way faster, less data transfer, and no need to send a key or passphrase unless I need to mount it at the destination (meaning a cloud provider could never know the data, for instance).ZFS is also recursive, so if I have
s/storageand/storage/stuffdefined, I can snap and send either level, which makes it as versatile as rsync.
rsyncgang when?The year Linux takes over the desktops!
I fell like the reason nobody uses FileZila and etc anymore is because everybody that wanted it migrated to Linux already. So seriously, it already happened.
FTP and rsync my beloved
I never liked FileZilla. I used Cyberduck
Isn't Cyberduck a paid program though? I remember trying it, but I can't remember why I went back to filezilla. I thought it was because my trial for Cyberduck expired.
Not when I used it like 10 years ago. Not sure about now
I used CuteFTP, but I am a gentleman
"Felt cute, might transfer files later, idk"
okay, but why did you use a password when the ssh/sftp key is right next to the files
A lot are still doing that and haven't moved up
(Please at least use SFTP!)
This is how I deployed web servers in school like 3 years ago.
Yeah it's not all that uncommon in school, just increasingly uncommon in industry.
My school had nothing about react, node, angular, angularJS, SaaS, etc. back in 2015.
We learned Perl, PHP, LAMP stack, SOAP based APIs and other “antiquated” things. Provided a solid foundation of fundamentals that I’ve built a nice career on.
It might have been by design to get a feel for the fundamentals. Or maybe it’s just because the people teaching it have probably left the industry and are teaching how they did it.
My department head was in his 70s and my professors all trended on the older side.
Same here. But maybe that's why i recognize a software stack in the GB as a security risk.
Ah yes, war files
Don't forget ear files. Oh, and don't forget the abomination that is the executable war file when you're using Spring Boot but your company hasn't fully embraced it yet.
There's still a few sites I deploy changes to using ssh+rsync. ...which is made considerably easier by the fact that it's just a static website generated with Jekyll.
This is from before my times, but... Deploying an app by uploading a pre built bundle? If it's a fully self-contained package, that seems good to me, perhaps better than many websites today...
That's one nice thing about Java. You can bundle the entire app in one .jar or .war file (a .war is essentially the same as a .jar but it's designed to run within a Servlet container like Tomcat).
PHP also became popular in the PHP 4.x era because it had a large standard library (you could easily create a PHP site with no third-party libraries), and deployment was simply copying the files to the server. No build step needed. Classic ASP was popular before it, and also had no build step. but it had a very small standard library and relied heavily on COM components which had to be manually installed on the server.
PHP is mostly the same today, but these days it's JIT compiled so it's faster than the PHP of the past, which was interpreted.
You will pry ftp from my cold dead hands.
Can you use sftp instead? Pwease? 🥺
Who can afford the performance hit?
My production server running Win XP Home has to have the firewall off just to make all the super secret company internal networks work. SFTP would cripple us!
/s, except about the performance hit being stupidly unacceptable in 2024.
Did it for the first time two years ago. It was for my parent's business website. I see nothing wrong with this method.
This is how I deployed an app less than 5 years ago (healthcare).
It's sad
I know a place where they still do this. They've got an 8-digit user count, 7 digit monthly profits, all running on one server that costs something like $20 a month. They've downsized a few years ago to single-digit employee number and just sit there and collect profits. And this is why I'm now working for a company that casually dropped a few grand for a glorified CPU usage meter and a few grand on top of that for deployment tool that does the same thing that the old guy at a former place was doing with his trusty FTP client.
This is how I deploy my personal website today. The holster doesn't give ash access.
Cries in REST API
Oh please, you didn’t even have to turn the cassette or floppy disc over. You and your luxuries.
FTP Explorer all the way! Preferred that to filezilla... I mean it didn't support sftp but I liked it.
True story, bruh.
I deploy my apps with SFTP command line .
this app uses java swing?
