Guess I'm another proud ban of the world news .ml instance. Honestly, the pettiness of the mods over there is insane. They're a cult. I can't help but think they're at least partly hijacked by some state sponsored astroturfing campaign.
Couple weeks back I got a 30 day. Made no comment in their instance. Was a random preemptive ban. The mod account listed the reason as a rule 4 violation. That's their rule for spam and ads.
The modlog there is wonderful. Bans all over the place without context to the reasons, what the banned might have done, or who was the mod
It's because if you get into it with a tankies on another instance, or talk shit about them (like in this thread) they will get butthurt and go find anything you've posted on .ml recent and ban you for it.
People need to realize that .ml isn't some innocent actor just trying to keep themselves free of trolls. They 100% intend to leverage their status within the fediverse to keep their thumb on the scale.
well, that's at least in line with how things are run by the CCP
Anything against groupthink is removed. Downvotes are not enough. It straight to the gulag.
They banned me from memes because I won an argument with the mod about how Credit Scores work in the USA.
How dare you, you monster!
I got an account banned for suggesting that their meme responses are childish and cringy.
How dare you suggest Xi Xinping isn't the greatest benefactor of humanity of all times, you filthy capitalist pig? And I'm only slightly exaggerating here.
They don’t like it when I drag my balls across Xi Jinping’s face and he starts motorboating for sure.
Ml is very anti-West in my experience. I heard about that kind of thing existing but wow. I think they conglomerated on Lemmy long before Lemmy was popular.
Lemmy was made by and is developed by Marxist-Leninists as a response to Reddit. You aren't going to find any pro-west Marxist-Leninists. The admins of Lemmy.ml are also Marxist-Leninists, so in general Lemmy.ml is going to be far less pro-west than Lemmy.World, which is a Liberal Instance.
Lemmy.ml has fantastic FOSS and Privacy communities, so not all members are Marxists, but generally liberals coming from Reddit go to Lemmy.world, while Marxists go to other communities, in my experience.
Is it ml or grad that hosts a Mao reading group on their discord?
Not sure, but
.mlmakes you quote from an approved list of communist dogma as part of the application process 😆I am not making that up: https://lemmy.ml/signup
They have a discord?
This explains the coordination attacking people who make anti Hamas statements.
I got banned from one of the .ml communities in my first week here for simply saying I didn't believe in any particular form of government.
Like, that's all I said. I told them socialism, capitalism, communism - I think we need a mix, not a selection. And they were like BANNED. I didn't swear, nor was a disrespectful - I simply dissented, and their CCP brains exploded from my audacity.
This was way back when most of us came over on the FuckSpezflower.
I blocked them because their users, thinking I was Jewish, were constantly harassing me.
It's reassuring that most people have forgotten about hexbear.
Isn't lemm.ee still federated with hexbear? I used to have an account over there and fled to .world when the admin refused to stop apologizing for their God awful behavior.
Yes, they are. In fact I made a multiple-page-long post (on my old lemm.ee account) to the lemm.ee meta community asking to defederate from hexbear.net. Fortunately now you can just block an instance.
Edit: to be clear, I am not criticizing lemm.ee admins. They have their own reasons to not block hexbear.net, and I respect their decision.
Yes lemm.ee is still federated with hexbear, which is frankly fine by me (at least ever since blocking instances was introduced).
If they’re blocked from your feed, it doesn’t really matter.
Think a lot of big places defederated with lemmygrad and hexbear. .ml slipped under the radar, so you have to block it manually.
Nah lemmy.ml didn't slip under the radar, it's intentionally still federated with because it's the main instance of the core lemmy developers. Said developers also own and operate lemmygrad, but lemmy.ml is meant to be neutral ground.
lemmy.ml never really used to be that bad, either. It was only after the mass defederation of hexbear that users from there started making alt accounts in other instances, lemmy.ml being one of the main ones and, unfortunatley, lemm.ee getting its share also. lemmy.ml is still ostensibly neutral ground, however now it has a pack of refugee users skewing how its perceived.
I think feddit.uk is still federated with hexbear btw.
You have the block it manually for now.
I give it a week before some dolt there calls for violence (in a tangible sense(again, lol)) and it gets axed from the zeitgeist like the rest of the auth-right drivel does.
It's the same as that shit I took last week. The memory isn't worth the paper that wiped it away.
What happened to them anyway?
Instance blocking was implemented
Hexbear still federates just a lot of the big ones cut them off (or vice versa)
Your instance still federates
*Blocked
Governments can and should be criticized without bigotry towards the governed populace. We should always take the side of the civilians, as we are civilians too.
It is in fact these governments producing massive amounts of propaganda to demonize “the other side.” What might they have to gain from global culture wars such as this?
Governments can and should be criticized without bigotry towards the governed populace.
In theory, sure.
In practice, there is some tacit understanding that a plurality of residents in a nation will hold views of the popular government.
The end run around this is to assert everyone in Bad Foreign Country are brainwashed or broken. But then you end up with proud outspoken nationalists vocalizing support. So we go to the Wumao/Bot narrative, where everyone speaking positively is paid off or fake.
And then finally you get to an actual conflict of civilizations - an Israeli / Russian invasion that is popular within the invading country - and that's when you have to square the circle.
When hundreds of thousands of people are killing/dying to perpetrait a national agenda, it can't just be "Country Bad / People In Gray Area".
At some point, you have to see trees as part of the forest. It can't just be a flag that you're upset by.
If you think russians are just normal folk wanting normal things - think again.
Everyone lives in a culture that's somewhat manipulated by the government they're under. I don't think now is the time to discuss rationalist economics.
Wanting trans people to not be exterminated is not "culture war", fuck you and your both sides bullshit
I got several comments deleted on .ml for insulting bitch ass pooh bear Xi, even called racist as if dictator is a race.
Dictators tend to be psychopaths. I wonder if we can call psychopaths a race.
If after the following steps:
- Get 2 Psychopaths to make a baby (let's call this subject A).
- Take subject A at birth and nurture it in an environment previously proven to not create psychopaths.
- Test subject A after a threshold age.
Get statistical data.
If result:
- subject A is psychopath with 99% + confidence, then psychopaths are a race.
- subject A is psychopath with < 99% confidence, then psychopaths are NOT a race.
Just to be clear, I will not endorse this study.
Homo Sapiens seems to be a fine term
Homo Neanderthalensis were chill
I got banned from a ml community for saying NATO is a defensive alliance lol.
Same. They can't allow acknowledgement of Europe being in the most peaceful span of its recorded history thanks to the EU and NATO. That cooperation and allowing people to be different but still respectful has been a success for many.
They're stuck in the burn it all down phase of being an edgy teenager that finds out life is hard. Unfair. And kinda sucks sometimes. That humans aren't perfect and therefore our societies and systems also aren't perfect.
But they'd throw it all away instead of iterating on what already works. My job is literally process improvement and change management. People who try to come up with the best idea on their own fail. It's diversity of thought and background that leads to the best solutions.
You got it all wrong.
They like socialism. So they need to defend ultra capitalist dictatorships where class division is in the actual binary state they hate.
In the late 90s and early 2000s, who exactly was NATO defending itself against? there was no longer an adversary superpower that needed to be fought with mass fighter jets and tanks. Russia was agreeing to let American military aircraft through its airspace for chrissakes
The only reason NATO stuck around back then was that a bunch of bureaucrats really wanted to keep their jobs.
NATO is about as "defensive" as the US's arsenal of nuclear weapons is "defensive."
Not something I'd ban you for, though - until you start acting like a shitlib.
It looks a lot like you're trying to alienate other leftists from your position, rather than actually make any reasonable arguments for your own beliefs.
Don't you ever feel like you're betraying your own beliefs when you go for over simplified attacks.
Like using "liberal" as an insult... I mean, it suggests your preferred ideology would be a kind of fascism or authoritarianism. Something without social liberalism.
I mean, you're obviously frustrated and a believer that any serious discussion would be futile... So why not just walk away rather than damaging your own political position?
Haven't you learned how to argue your positions using someone else's values?
Just seems like you're the biggest liberal, like you're doing a big show of the freedoms of political discourse, showing how you're free to be rude. Showing you're openly avoiding constructive discussion, and not realising that's still discussion.
It's a very liberal thing to do.
...and I'm not sure of the purpose but it doesn't seem to be bolstering any other political position. Just seems to reproduce a culture in which the far left are under represented and seen as unreasonable. One where it's seen as just and right to not have a popular Marxist party and to lock that particular rhetoric out.
Why so blatantly lean into the agenda that's so obviously what economic liberals prefer. Doesn't that just enforce the hegemonic false consciousness that works against you and your politics???
Yes, clearly you guys keep losing because of the DNC, not because of your inability to create alliances and earn everyone else's votes.
Remember, if a candidate needs to earn your vote, then your favored candidate needs to earn their votes too. You'll find it difficult to do so while you keep burning bridges.
Yes, I've read Marx and Engels. Yes, I've read Conquest Of Bread. Yes, I've read Lenin. Yes, I've read up on the history of socialist movements.
But yeah, I'm just an ignorant anti-tankie swine. If I read one more Holy Text, THEN I would be enlightened.
I adore Marx, and the only reason I don't regard myself as a Marxist is because I'm not married to many of his interpretations which have been somewhat superseded by later sociological theory on the importance of non-material conditions and postmodernist critiques of structured narratives within the soft sciences. But hey, I'm just some right-wing chud, clearly. I hold every opinion ascribed to me in this comment thread despite often and on this very website espousing the literal opposite position.
This is why tankies and their apologists are so fucking insufferable.
Totally get you, though:
sociological theory on the importance of non-material conditions and postmodernist critiques of structured narratives within the soft sciences.
Maslow's heirarchy usually holds up to the former. But for the latter? It is a realm rife with grift. Even the best intentions can end up warped or being co-opted. So that's probably where the contention comes from especially if you start with an aggressive posture.
Oh yeah, the nature of postmodernism means it's very exploitable. I meant it more as justification for my broader disassociation more than something I bring up; I usually leave postmodernism out of it. Just outlining the internal thought process of why I wouldn't describe myself as a Marxist.
I read this as if it was an Operation Ivy song.
What postmodern critiques are there of narratives in the soft sciences? Juz curious.
The simplest version of the postmodernist argument is that grand, overarching narratives are just pareidolia for academics - people search for shapes where there are none; and that perception shapes reality to such a degree that one cannot examine simply the 'conditions' of a society, even non-material ones, and expect to understand its contours.
It's more nuanced than that I think, but honestly, it's been almost a decade since I was last in college and read up on it, so I don't know how much I trust myself to give a more in-depth explanation, lol.
So which communities in the ml instance have such views?
The fun part about being federated with Hexbear is seeing extremely team-based world views that are different from the ones I normally see. I'm used to seeing people who are blindly pro-America. It's weird seeing people who can't imagine China ever doing anything wrong.
There are a number of users that I enjoyed interacting with but, the instance got way too toxic. They've cultivated a culture of rushing to be the first dunk on people, without caring if there may be miscommunication or factuality. It's VERY tribalistic. And don't dare question the summary execution of the Romanov children, dissidents, Soviet expansionism, or Stalin's willingness to divide up the world with Hitler.
It's funny how people that casually see hexbear always say this but there is critique about things China does there all the time, most posts are jokes so outsiders might misinterpret it. Hexbear doesn't really stan anything as a unit except the end of Western imperialism.
Every time I interact with any hexbear user in anything remotely related to China, it is flying whataboutism "But U.S. ...", "It is unlike the west haven't ...", "We should fix our own problem first".
Thanks, I am trying to fix our own problem. I am Chinese... And they would never defend any western allies' action with the same whataboutism (of course I am not saying they should, whataboutism is a valid excuse to neither China nor the west), like they did with China and Russia. To me, this feels like pro-China/pro-Russia bias.
Besides, the world is definitely not better off with more dictators, people shouldn't be fine with repression just because they are not in the same country as you.
Obviously no community is a monolith, but if I come across a user with that kind of viewpoint, it'll be from one of the stereotypical instances.
Ah so that's why when I compared the smearing of student protests in the US on the grounds of "anti-semitism" as similar to China calling student protests "counter-revolutionary" I got slapped down by someone for "always criticizing China" and my comment was removed.
I'd never even mentioned Chine until that point so I found it completely bizarre.
I see so much whining about tankies, and so few tankies.
Once world has defederated from .ml, which is the next instance to be designated the tankie instance?
I've been an active user since before lemmy.world, although I'm new to my current instance. Anecdotal but I now see far more comments to the effect of "tankies sure are gonna hate this", where tankies then never show up, than those where they do.
It's especially comical with the Lemmy.world users as their instance has blocked the largest sources of tankies. Even my alts in instances that haven't blocked .ml don't see anywhere near as many tankies as people griping about these tanky boogymen that have yet to arrive. I've even seen people who obviously aren't tankies or even tanky adjacent being accused of being one. I've been accused of being one for just pointing this all out.
I'll suggest a possibly unpopular opinion: the term tankies is turning into Lemmy's equivalent of "woke" - many of those using the term don't seem to know exactly what it means and its loose definition is expanding toward "anyone I don't like".
Lemmy.world is generally filled with extremely ideological Liberals with no real niche interests represented by Lemmy.
Reddit is getting worse and worse. After all, how could it not? The profit motive ruins everythinh over time, after all. Therefore, the people who leave Reddit for Lemmy generally dislike the direction of Reddit, such as Marxists, Anarchists, and ideological Liberals.
This brings us to Lemmy. Lemmy.world is a microcosm of Reddit, it's the largest explicitly generalist instance. It's the fediverse for people who don't care about the fediverse, it's for refugees from Reddit. The problem is that the leftists are on different instances from Lemmy.world, because they go to the explicitly leftist instances, or other instances for niche interests.
That's why Lemmy.world represents Liberals too ideological to stay on Reddit, but who also aren't comfortable with Marxists or even Anarchists. It's Reddit 2.
You might just have a more narrow definition of tankie, for me, tankies are about 4/5ths of .ml instances are tankies
What are you on about? lemmy.ml has always been a tankie instance, that was the first Lemmy instance and it was set up by the tankie devs.
And you're on lemmy.world, which has defederated from most of the extreme tankie instances anyway.
Could be the ratchet effect. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are both explicitly Marxist-Leninist, but .ml is explicitly FOSS and Privacy based, just with Marxist-Leninist admins.
I suppose the "next boogyman" will probably be an instance with a very lax defederation policy like Lemm.ee, db0, or Shitjustworks, if Lemmy.world ever defederates with Lemmy.ml. Either that, or Lemmy.world will jump ship to Sublinks and that will be an entirely different platform.
I mean there are communities dedicated to having a problem with Lemmy itself being developed by Marxist-Leninists. Not sure it'll stop at the instance level.
But hey: Shitjustworks defederated Lemmygrad since the admin doesn't like them and hexbear defederated shitjustworks, so I only ever see these kind of after-action-reports from the folks that go out searching for bad takes from those instances or wherever.
whatever one they all switch to so they can spread their bullshit.
Well, you're the first one to own up to centrists' methodology for trying to push lemmy to the right.
There's a lot of tankies. You're one of them. Although you pretty narrowly focus on "biden bad" propaganda
State run capitalism is not the way
No, don't worry, Socialist Billionaires With Chinese Characteristics will TOTALLY be conducive to the formation of a worker's state. /s
I'm on ml, it's actually quite nice shitposting and linux memes. I think this is mostly true for the insufferable assholes at hexbear. Just block them.
My lemmy experience was drastically improved when I blocked hexbear, highly recommend
You don't miss the hundreds of random giant emojis comments in threads?
Same. Lemmygrad as well
Sadly blocking them doesn't prevent them from harassing other people. Their behaviour is awful and it likely drives away new users. They can still vote and reply to your comments, you just can't see it yourself.
Lies
You got me. It's actually communists vampires propaganda and chocolate cookies recipe.
ayo bruv, don't be slandering all of us
It's more your ruling politburo for lemmy.ml
At this point if you haven't been banned I assume you aren't trying hard enough.
And many just invert the reactions. Not better, in my opinion.
Is the hypocrisy being portrayed here that they should agree criticism of Israel is anti-semitic? Or they should disagree criticism of China is anti-Chinese?
Criticism of China is not anti-Chinese.
Criticism of Israel is not antisemitic.
People are quick to tie the name of a country or nationality directly with the culture/peoples that said name was derived from (or vice versa). Unfortunately to many people, "Chinese" as a nationality is the same as "Chinese" as an ethnicity/culture/language (rather, a group of ethnicities/cultures/languages since "Chinese" is used for many groups, though it's mostly Han and relatively closely related groups), and their logic is criticizing or denouncing China is an attack on Chinese nationals, which is equivalent to attacking ethnic Chinese.
Sometimes their logic is – actions against China are meant as a way to undermine Chinese influence for the purpose of committing hate crimes or genocide against Chinese (China is totally the protector of ethnic Chinese in this case). Basically similar to Russian bots' favorite excuse but rebranded.
With Israel it's a lot easier for them to separate "Israeli" (the nationality) from "Jewish" (the ethnicity & religion) because (in English) they're completely different words, so it's a lot easier for them to tell "Israeli ≠ Jewish", as opposed to their head exploding when they think "Chinese ≠ Chinese". It's easy for the uninformed and malinformed (and those who benefit from such a viewpoint) to rationalize the sentence "attacks against Chinese are discriminatory against Chinese" but less so of "attacks against Israeli are discriminatory against Jewish", even though in both the first term is a nation or nationality and the second term is for a variety of ethnic groups that isn't necessarily tied to the nation and describes many peoples who have no connection to the nationality.
In Chinese you may call someone of Chinese descent
huaren, but you generally usezhongguorenfor both Chinese nationality and ethnicity (withzhongguobeing "China", essentially "China people"), while Israeli isyiselieand Jewish isyoutaiwith no chance to conflate the two. The Chinese bots get confused by the same language issue too.
yeah, seems legit
Two leaning things attract people: The leaning tower and people leaning left😃
Which makes the simping for China all the more inexplicable.
Just what Lemmy needs, more toxic instance bickering
being against a genocide, and repeating blatant lies about a country are two different things though
I'm aware of the Uyghur genocide, but what lies are being told about Israel?
That it's massacring children in self defense maybe? I've heard that one a lot
did they ever release any proof on that one yet or is it still just pics of random prisioners?
They have right to exist
Without taking sides, I love how I could find two people in here that would both vehemently agree with you, but also disagree with each other.
a lot of infighting goes on
Found one!
Oh look! Here’s one now!
I don't know, seems a lot of the tankies are saying the top one too from what I've seen
Are there? Normally I see them saying things like "All Settlers are Legitimate Targets of Resistance(tm)"
Stalin was an anti-semite who was planning his own Holocaust:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_and_antisemitism
Notable Jewish person, btw: Karl Marx.
So, I guess original flavor tankies are just following their favorite leader?
They absolutely are. Don't forget tankies have never been ideologically consistent. They'll espouse whatever they need at the moment to further Putin and the anti-west interests.
Communist China*
You can criticize Real China all you want
I mean, I'm about as pro-Taiwanese-independence as they come, but the fact of the matter is that the Kuomintang was basically government by mafia, and so corrupt that a large chunk of the Chinese populace decided "hey, let's throw our lot in with the guy who thinks insect-eating birds are bad for crop yields, he can't be any worse than the status quo." That turned out poorly for them, but to a certain degree I think that if you want to recognize Taiwan's right to self determination you also have to respect the historical decision of mainland China to go a different direction.
Libs and whining about imaginary tankies on .ml name a better combo
Linkerbaan and apologizing for authoritarian garbage.
Next
"Imaginary tankies"
Don't you have some Hamas atrocities to play apologist for or something?
Well, in their defense, when white liberals start criticizing China the white supremacist dogwhistles are never far behind.
I mean... just look at the shitlibs congregating on this post of yours.
Aye Komrade
Damn you roasted that strawman.
Are the tankies in the room with us now?
No they're over in ml, lemmygrad, and hexbear circle jerking to Xinnie the Pooh hentai
