I actually like Linux, but I'm considering just blocking all the Linux communities because it's so incredibly boring to just see you guys circle jerking all day long. We get it. We all get it.
My guy, you are on linuxmemes lmao
There's like 6 of em hah
Why do so many memes seem to be about windows then? 🤔
I mean just go ahead and block it, why make this rant at all, if you are seeing it on All its because of the amount of Linux users on Lemmy.
Block it then. Don't waste your attention on posts that don't bring you joy.
This feels like an appropriate time to let you know that I use arch, btw.
Nobody asked, nobody cares, just do it.
Feel free to block any communities you please, I personally block them even if they're fine because they fill up local/all feeds with content I do not understand/care about
Why we don't have any server side memes yet, probably there is some non-windows meme material there.
"So regarding these security vulnerabilities... We see that RHEL 5 is no longer supported, so what is your plan to get support..." So basically you're telling me you walked into a giant ravine without ever realising it for almost a decade and now you ask me if you could get some support to assemble your now tiny fragments back into working order?
+1
Calm down MacOS hasn't done shit to make it better. They decide what you do and don't get, daddy apple already made the decision and you have to deal with it.
"We did the thinking for you, and you'll like it." Might as well be their slogan.
When I got a macbook from work I was honestly choked at how awful things were.
Even the simplest of tasks required googling. It was so very unintuitive.
I mean, I had to do some weird dragging to install an application!?
Even to this day, I totally avoid using it.
An aside, You can make KDE feel like that, but youd know every hairbrain behavor because you did it yourself.
People who have ever only used one operating system, and tried to apply everything how they use that exactly to a different one are awful. Yeah, different OSs are different, that's the point of it. That you don't do everything exactly how you are used on it, doesn't make the OS bad, you just need some time to get accustomed to some things being different.
The people here are the most biased possible.
Yep. Same as Windows.
It's 2023 and Apple is a trillion dollar company, and they still don't have window snapping/tiling in OSX. I don't have anything positive to say about their OS lol.
They’ve had it for a while
Bro they don't even have touchscreen support
I was missing the KDE style drag/resize windows with modifier keys, then I found https://penc.app that kinda fills that void
it also does snapping and auto 50% with trackpad gesture
The first thing I do with a new Mac is install Better Touch Tool UI. It's mandatory software for Mac as far as I'm concerned.
I feel like the full screen tiling on mac makes up for this. Having used both windows and Mac a lot I think I slightly prefer Mac's way of splitting full screen windows but I see the appeal of both
I had to use MacOS for 2 years after using Windows for 20. The copious amounts of energy suddenly releasing when thousands of dying stars start to explode in unison can't compare to the deep, burning hate I feel for MacOS.
But I know there are people who like or love it. No problem with that. It's just a personal feeling.
You do you, but I just hate MacOS way of tilling. When I'm tilling windows I'm generally multi-tasking and I need my dock to look at a third window from time to time. Having it in full screen renders this impossible and the animation for switching is sooooooooo slooooooow😅
Nothing wrong with that, IMO those features suck and always annoy me when I encounter them by accident. By god I'm going to manually position every fucking window that I use. That keeps them where they should be.
Don't get me started on encountering a 'feature' by accident, I'm looking at you hot corners 🤮
Everything wrong with that lol, also that's just weird. If I want to have two windows side by side, I'm going to want to drag them to simply the edges of the left/right of the screen.
MacOS: let's lockdown our system customization
MOAR TITLE BARS
Hey MacOS, you know these days most people are using wide or ultra wide screen monitors and have more space at th--
😡MOAR 😡TITLE 😡BARS 😡
I want NeXTSTEP-style menus back. Much better for big screens than title bars.
The title bar is so annoying with a vertical monitor. Oh you're using the bottom window? All your application menus are literally a foot away.
GUI? Yes.
UNIX command line? Six of one half dozen of the other versus Linux in my experience.
But yeah. I love i3wm and it's a real bummer that you can't do something like that with macos. I use yabai, which is nice, but i3 it ain't.
Yes easier to use, it's already there
jk
I don't agree with the Mac one.
The Mac UI is basically windows 3.1.
It's absolutely awful.
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that's it. You can't open anything, you can't delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
It's so fucking bad.
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
The almost exact same thing happened to a friend of mine using Windows 11. The machine booted, but he was unable to log in.
Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.
edit: Thanks to [email protected] for teaching me something new. (quotes formatting is a thing)
Your wife’s experience sucks, but having done IT for sizable orgs in the past, my experience was that OS X and Apple’s hardware usually needed less coddling than the various Windows machines. Although they did have some lemon OS releases here and there, and those fucking keyboards from several years back were the devil.
Any OS is going to have anecdotal horror stories. If you want to get a real read on reliability you really need more than a sample size of 1. You need scale.
You need scale
Can't scale. Hard drive full.
I was supporting MacOS and Windows systems in an extremely vertical stability situation and I honestly never had to touch the Windows machines that were cobbled together parts computers. All the Mac's were a constant house of cards waiting to topple. Coming drives constantly for last minute hail Mary solutions, crashing issues that could never be explained without any explanation or hint to what the issues were. Sending systems back and forth for repair. Fuck it, avoid MacOS at all costs
That's insane lol, how did they even let an issue lile that slip by... is it just a bug with one version of MacOS or something?
Also to fix it, maybe you could reinstall MacOS? I installed MacOS on a computer I built for a friend years ago, it was a "hackintosh." If you can install it on all non approved hardware surely it's possible with an actual Macbook. Just because they're so absurdly expensive it would be a shame for it to be gone for good. Which is another issue with Apple's x86 products, you're paying what like $1500 or more for about $350 of hardware which half the time thermal throttles anyway because they make it thin at the expense of cooling.
Honestly, whyd they never think to use a seprate home partition or setup quotas or fix hdd expectations to prevent errors bricking the desktop.
It's also become less and less stable over the years
Lol Apple absolutely does not do that... They just add extra crap nobody wants.
Meanwhile yesterday I fucked up my linux installation trying to find alternatives on how to be use the wheel click without having things pasted with it :/
I'll be trying again when I am not lazy to reinstall it again.
Click "Activities" in the upper right and search for "tweaks", click the "Tweaks" icon. Select "Keyboard & Mouse" and turn "Middle Click Paste" to "off".
For Gnome ^ but I'm at work and can't confirm.
Damn, someone who actually gives GUI instructions and doesn't yell at the person? Keep it up. The Linux community needs people like you.
As far as I remember I tried that but it didn't seem to work and some xdotool script that disabled the wheel click entirely. Then I installed kde, tried a few more things there, and then I tried to go back to gnome but... ...
I recently tried out Fedora and it deleted my Windows boot files so I had to fuck with the computer for hours trying to troubleshoot... not to mention that almost all Linux tools can't create a proper bootable USB Windows recovery drive :/ Never had this problem with OpenSUSE (I had the best Linux experience with that one for sure) or Ubuntu, they behaved properly with dual-boot install. I guess Fedora never again. And what's with that name anyway? It's dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
And what's with that name anyway? It's dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
Fedora Linux was thing before fedoras became the meme we know. Also, I would imagine some of the original Fedora Linux guys really did wear fedoras.
It is made by Red Hat, and they went with the hat theme. I used a few distributions, and RedHat was one of the worst. I don't know why it's popular.
Next time try NixOS or use BTRFS snapshots.
TempleOS: Let me make the screen flash so much it might trigger epileptic seizures, because God hates epileptics..
If you install windows and set the language to be english (world), there will be no preinstalled BS apps like tiktok.
Of course most people wont do that
Wait, what are you talking about? Windows doesn't pre-install TikTok. Are you talking about OEM versions? Those come with a bunch of bloatware because they get paid by the companies to add their software to the install. If you get a copy of windows that's not attached to a pre-built computer, then it shouldn't have any bloatware. Granted, I haven't installed Windows 11, and don't plan to, so my knowledge could be dated.
The only one that doesn't have bloatware for money is MacOS. If Microsoft cared they would ban that.
Before anyone says Linux doesn't have paid bloatware for money, Ubuntu had Amazon baked into for money. Additionally, many distros use Firefox that Google's pays to have Google be the default search engine.
I tried Windows 11 on an old laptop I had. Experience:
"Why the hell is TikTok installed?"
Clicks icon
"Installing TikTok"
"No, you retard!"How about not using slurs?
also it runs at a snail's pace trying to upload all of the telemetry data.
i thought linux users would be smart enough to know what ads are and their first thought would be to right-click and choose "remove", instead of opening it
guess i overestimated them a little
For whatever reasony work tools on Linux aren't working right now, so I am using win10 for the moment.
The start menu is a fucking nightmare. I don't care about what's on the internet when I am looking for my software. This isn't a mobile phone.
What's even worse is that I know what the name of my software is. But half the time, when I use the start menu, the web results and ads load first and it takes a while to show my software, if it ever shows up at all.
I highly recommend Powertoys Run (powered by Wox) with the Everything plugin. It brings a Spotlight-like search with lightning fast search and many features like calculator, running commands and others. I almost never use the start menu nowadays. And all of this is available through Chocolatey.
Also there's plenty other nifty tools you get as a part of Powertoys (I couldn't live without Fancy Zones).
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-set-up-microsofts-new-spotlight-esque-powertoy-i-1843566673
I love Everything. Cannot recommend it enough.
I will look into that. I installed chocolatey and I really appreciate a package manager in windows. Gives me a bit of familarity
Install Classic Shell. It lets you change the windows UI to go back to the old Windows 7 UI (or earlier.)
Let's not live in the past. Just disable internet searching from the start menu.
I agree, it shouldn't have been built in and on by default and it should be easier to disable.
Personally I think Win10 start was peak Windows start because it was the most customizable.
Maybe it's just my age, but I use File Explorer to find things on my PC.
But Windows loves to not show you things, and the main folder(C:) just seems to get worse and more cluttered with folders with a name like: 4783DDBMJUD84WWIOT.
PC gamers have modded every game that has been released, whether legal or not. I can't believe there is no "remove ads from start bar" mod available yet.
I have recently been using BloatyNosy at my IT job when setting up new Windows 11 PCs.
It's a lightweight little Windows 11 debloater. It's just a simple UI with checkboxes to modify and run a powershell script. Just in case anyone is looking for a FOSS alternative. The link that you posted looks similar, but it doesn't appear to be open source.
Agiant most of these comments.
Mac actually does have one major similarity to Linux (beside it being posix)
spoiler
The UX sucks just as much as GNOME 4x
xfce for life lol
I don’t like start menus, I much prefer the UX of Gnome
The main two things I like about start menus is that it keeps all your apps out of the way, and in some resemblence of organizatoin, instead of just barfing them all out in one big cluttered mess, which is part of what turns me away from Apple, or Gnome. However, they're not as easy to use on touchscreens. That said, ads deeply nerf this advantage.
Do you guys think linux will ever win over time? I see hate towards ubuntu every now and then but I think of it as the most "idiot-proof" distro (maybe I'm wrong)
No. Something with no marketing never beats something with billions of dollars in marketing and partnerships.
It’s not about marketing, it’s about trying to turn on surround sound, almost blowing up my speakers with static, and reading through pulse audio or Alsa configs for hours to do what an AppleTV just does innately.
Linux, and especially desktop linux, is a collection of disparate technologies by different groups with different priorities and it will never have a cohesive vision or responsive support.
I’ve had a Linux desktop on and off for over 20 years and it’s always some bullshit or another.
It’s always the year of Linux on the desktop if you’re a masochist.
Signed: a masochist.
Do you guys think linux will ever win over time?
Depends on what you mean by "win". Linux dominates everywhere except for desktops.
Will we win on desktops, too? Who knows. If it does happen, it probably won't be anytime soon.
I think Ubuntu and some other Linux distros are arguably more idiot proof than Windows, especially if used by a child with no former experience with anything. The issue of course, is that people just expect every piece of software to work out of the box, and much software that gets advertised to people, including games, targets Windows. Yes, most stuff works with compatibility layers now and more software is targeting Linux as well. However as soon as a person encounters a piece of software where something doesn't just work they will probably ditch the OS, not look for fixes or an alternative, especially for something like a game where there is FOMO attached.
Kids and elders in my family get Linux. It's especially easy to sell it to them too, since:
- They only need email, office suite, browser, games
- They don't want to buy windows
Well, Ubuntu pioneered this thing! Fortunately it was short lived and you could opt out.
A good and user-friendly distro nevertheless. Who knows if it will ever "win" on the desktop, but I am sure the more mainstream it becomes, the more hate it will get!
I think the newer immutable distros will become the more mainstream option.
In practice it behaves more like a phone where you use sandboxed apps and the base system cannot be modded.
However on immutable distros you can make changes to the system but only with a specific method. This is how the Steam Deck is setup and I can see it working very well for the average user.
I think if somehow office 365 got working easily on linux there will be a decent sized shift
People say why go the extra step just to disable ads and uninstall crap on windows 10, but never say why go extra extra step just to get that one windows software running on Linux oh and MacOS is fucking suck lol
This is why I switched. You need to edit to registry to make edge not create a toolbar on your desktop. And I was like, if I jeed to edit toolbars might as well run linux. And i did
Laughs in OpenShell
Laughs in a clunky alternative hack that is miles behind any sort of native solution.
Needless to say, just makes myself happy to use Linux in 2023. Never buying another Windows device.
Yah wtf happened. I used Linux back in the day and it sucked. Now I check out Linux and it’s gotten so damn good over the last few years.
What do you have a Surface or something? What Windows devices do you have?
No Surface. Just a dual-boot Lin/Win PC, a flight sim PC, and a driving sim PC. All run Windows. Everything else has Linux, even a Galaxy Book2 360 (which is notoriously hard to get Linux working)!
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They've already done this with Windows 10, get new material!
I thought ubuntu tried to do an opt-out-able advertising scheme.
At least you could opt out of the amazon search without paying money or installing 3rd party software
no shot I'm trading in win 10 for this ad-ridden win11 bullshit. They'll do anything to keep them record profit quarters coming
with that said, these comments are just fanboi bullshit. Fuck this 'my team' mindset bs.
You shouldn’t stick with 10 past the end of security updates (2025)
Go to 11 if you want to stick with Windows or go to Linux/Mac if you want to be ad free.
And you can hack the ads out of 11 but you won’t get Microsoft to stop unless you threaten their market share
O&O shutup 10
you'll love your windows machine once you turn off the bullshit.
That might be acceptable if they didn't turn at least half of the bullshit back on with every bigger update. And some things just can't be turned off. E.g last time I checked it was impossible to tell Windows not to “recommend” setting edge as default browser in the fucking start menu.
Who told you it was impossible? Let me be clear, the things Windows support people say are "impossible" certainly are possible, they just aren't recommended or authorized by Microsoft i.e. Breaking License Validator for endless Valid activation.
The really "impossible" ones often require a lot of work, such as patching dlls or exe files, they're still possible though. Microsoft and their stans can argue "but security" but the fact of the matter is that windows is already insecure garbage, it's not going to get any better and arguments that it will are almost 100% cope. If security was a real concern they would've jumped ship long ago to a Unix system like Linux.
Just get brave browser and set that as the default. No issue.
If you need to go out of your way to periodically turn off half the OS in order for it to be good then it's not a good OS.
Leaving aside the fact you can't turn everything off without either knowing exactly what you're doing (at which point begs the question why you're doing it rather tjan the better option) or being willing to blindly follow some tutorial at the risk of bricking your machine, disabling all the bullshit windows does is way more time consuming than installing Linux for no real benefit.
For my machines, i would be forced to use windows if the smart people didnt make proton and wine. Otherwise Ms puts you in a bind where you put up with it or lose access to software. EXEs hold any software hostage thats not also compiled for other platforms.
No no no they didn’t do that didn’t they?
The word art really makes the joke
made in mac?
And yet most people choose Windows.
You guys will never ever understand and you'll be on your death bed screaming Linux DE is just fine and totally just as easy to use.
I read about "how much Crap there is in windows" and thought linux should be much smoother to run on my laptop. But it turns out to be the opposite. Firefox for windows works much better than Firefox for linux. For me windows just works. Linux even without telemetry struggles to perform as good as windows.
Which distro are you using? That doesn't sound very normal
- running on a certified windows laptop.
Also, prob. some graphic issue or no compositor installed.
For me Firefox on linux without a compositor ist the best. Doesn't feel so sluggish.
Linux even without telemetry struggles to perform as good as windows.
This is not normal. Even Xubuntu (with snaps and all) brought back a Core Duo (not a Core 2 Duo), which is EOL as of 13 or so years ago now.
Windows 10 was barfing all over itself and the mouse would take a good 20 seconds to make it across the screen. With Linux you wouldn't be able to tell the system was older than a couple years. Sure, programs took a bit extra to load, but once they did it was really smooth. I knew it would be better, but it worked fantastically.
The person using that system has been using it since the beginning of the pandemic to work remotely. I keep asking once in a while to see how it's going and each time they say it's working great. No errors, no issues, no slowdowns, just does its job.
Sounds like you picked the wrong distro!
I've put Linux on a few computers over summer. Actually, I put Debian on a few computers, but I tried a few different desktop environments. Debian internally works fine for my needs, and IMO it's kinda a "low drama" OS. So on my 4-year-old laptop and 7-year-old gaming PC, I used KDE Plasma, and on my 15-year-old PC I used LXQT, which is considered lightweight, after trying a number of options. The laptop has NVidia graphics and the 15-year-old PC has some janky GeForce integrated graphics, so I have gotten stuff to work with NVidia. Debian in particular has a really straightforward guide on the wiki on how to install graphics drivers.
I use Librewolf (Firefox derivative) on most of my Linux PCs, but Firefox ESR (extended support release, bundled with Debian by default) performed fine on the two newer computers. It's a bit sluggish on the older one, but fit for purpose.
I really think you should give it another try. Debian has live installs preconfigured with all the different desktop environments. That's how I picked Debian with KDE Plasma: I tried it out for three days and I decided i needed to have it.
There are probably compelling reasons to go with a distro other than Debian, but IMO Debian works great for me almost 100% of the time for a few different use cases. It's probably not the best OS for everyone, but I do think it's "pretty good" for most people. It'll get the job done.
But more importantly, there's a Linux distro for every niche. There are lots of lightweight distros with old PCs in mind that are much faster than even old versions of Windows. If your computer somehow can't deal with a desktop environment, a window manager like Fluxbox will work great.
Well it may not be cpu performance that firefox struggles with on linux. There is a Touchpad Scrolling Bug for firefox on wayland, that neither GTK nor firefox want to fix (if I remember correctly). There are some more things like that, that suggest Firefox team focuses more on Firefox for windows than Firefox for linux.
Which distro?
Windows can embeds ubuntu.
Checkmate atheists
Yea, I totally want more embrace, extend, extinguish from the FUD factory headquarters, thanks.
lmao can't you retarded fanboys take a joke more lightly ?
I'm on windows, love it or hate it, but I don't even remember the last time I used the start menu.
Get a live!
You mean on YouTube? Like a "live" stream?
he meant Windows Live
Man, this is the kind of "Linux" meme I wanted to get away from when moving away from Reddit.
Can we please instead make memes that don't just boil down to "Windows bad"?
Man, this is the kind of “Reddit” comment I wanted to get away from when moving away from Reddit.
Can we please instead make comments that don’t just boil down to “Reddit bad”?
Windows bad is 90% of linux memes.
The other 10% is shitting on gnome or something.
Perfectly balanced
market share bad
Why sub to a meme community if you don't want memes...there are a bunch of great serious Linux communities on Lemmy too.
I'm on kbin's all page and getting 3 linuxmeme posts. I'd have to actually block the community to see less of it.
I'm not doing that because it doesn't actually bother me that much, just pointing out being subbed isn't remotely a requirement.
I don’t how correct am I, but I’ve noticed that a lot of meme communities on Lemmy have very radical heavily opinionated users.
The other day I commented on a meme saying that schools should include education related to real life formal work. For some reason I got downvoted for saying that. A lot of the comments were antigovernment and things like government wants to keep tax system complex so they can take advantage of people through fines.
That is just disappointing to be honest that they removed about not learning irl formal work, but don’t want schools to teach them at the same time. I just don’t understand.
I think it's more that there needs to be more people posting. Of course 1 person is going to seem radicalized when they're the only one posting topics they care about.
Like all 3 of the linuxmeme posts that just popped up - they're all from the same user, so of course they're all memes that interest that user.
