Tencent says it's not a Chinese military company and is willing to sue the US Department of Defense if it isn't removed from a blacklist
Tencent says it's not a Chinese military company and is willing to sue the US Department of Defense if it isn't removed from a blacklist
The conglomerate was one of several Chinese companies given the designation at the start of the year.
Isn't every chinese company part of CCP
"all right Tencent, make a game where you play as Tank man defending the innocent at Tiannanmen Square please"
Yes.
Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.
Not a Chinese Military company. At least at this moment. If and when Xi decides that they want to use information gathered from Tencent for military purposes, they will. Nobody can or will stop him.
I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.
Not to mention I'm pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.
It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.
EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it's probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.
So all veteran owned businesses in the US are extensions of the US military?
Like thats not a bad idea from an international perspective, there are plenty of folks who maintain connections and may or may not be at minimum an annoyance. Though I also feel like American culture is mercantile and independent enough that such risks are generally minimized, except from so called Christian companies those sons of bitches always have a secondary goal beyond profits.
Given the way things are going, the US will implode long before China does.
If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.
Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It's not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked
Same goes for US companies.
Have we learned nothing from Snowden?
Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).
China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Edit: For people who think I mean "party" like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
Here's a list of websites China bans:
- YouTube
- Yahoo
- Wikipedia
- Marxists Internet Archive
- Fandom
- Netflix
- Zoom
- Blogspot
- Bing
- Twitch
- Roblox
- Steam Store
- Steam Community
- Spotify
- Messenger
- X
- Skype
- Tumblr
- SoundCloud
- Signal Private Messenger
- Dropbox
- Pornhub
- XVideos
- Medium
- Dailymotion
- BBC
- The New York Times
- Vimeo
- The Guardian
- SlideShare
- Discord
- DeviantArt
- The Washington Post
- Nico Video
- Archive.org (Internet Archive)
- Bloomberg
- Flickr
- Wretch
- HuffPost
- The Wall Street Journal
- DuckDuckGo
- Scratch
- Reuters
- NBC News -TIME
- Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
- Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
- Bandcamp
- Technorati
- Archive of Our Own
- Viber
- South China Morning Post
- Plurk
- The Economist
- ABC
- Voice of America
- Radio Free Asia
- NBC
- PBworks
- The Epoch Times
- The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
- HBO
- WION
- Hong Kong Free Press
- Apple Daily
- TikTok
- ChatGPT
- Rockstar Games
- GitHub
- Hugging Face
- Flipkart
- Zomato
- Clubhouse
- Swiggy
- Truth Social
- National Weather Service
- Kanzhongguo (English)
- Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
- Microsoft Copilot
- Telegram
- Voice of America (Chinese)
- Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)
I know this is not a complete list, but what about instances Lemmy? Would be very interesting to have conversations with Chinese behind the great Firewall!
.ml Intensifies
I came into this thread just to downvote their lies.
Yeah didn't even get to number 7 on the list before hitting a Marxist resource. Uh oh...
Basically any site that they don't have full control over/can't buy favor from and has the ability to spread info they dislike, even if it's something as simple as 2+2=4".
And if you're looking for someone outside of China to blame for their internet shield, Cisco was responsible for helping them set it up.
And then Huawei allegedly stole Cisco's IP? Ah, the irony
Xhamster slides in undetected...
That's more freedom than Texas
Fuck, I'm saving this f9r future arguments. Love it!
I can't be the only who thought the list would be long am I?
Fair point, but that means the ban should be coming from Department of Commerce, not the DoD.
Don't try to come up with bullshit excuses about espionage.
"We're banning these private-business Chinese websites because China bans our private-business websites and that's anti-competitive".
Low effort post
We should have done the same
Yeah let's follow China's lead and become just like them! I support restricting political freedoms and a giant firewall and a social credit system too.
They are obviously the superior system and therefore we need to emulate them.
Of course it’s not a military company, it’s an espionage company.
See?? Totally different!
Normally, espionage can collaborate with other branches of government, apart from the military.
Next you'll tell me all those cheap Chinese routers would allow our very telecommunications infrastructure to be hacked unless we're using end-to-end encryption.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/27/chinese-hackers-telco-access-00196082
Lol sue the us?
Money vs money, go for it
Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, "Foreign companies we're blacklisting for classified reasons". How terrible.
Discovery process, you say?
Which documents, you say?
What happened?
Shredded, you say?
How badly?
To bits, you say? Oh my my...
Lmao, poor little babies
The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.
Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?
Thus proving that Tencent is either stupid or is insulting our intelligence.
Come at me bro
almost as if it's never been about security but about sinophobia
Lol
I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
Sure, go ahead and try to sue the single most powerful entity on the planet.
Lol they cry like tankies when defederation talks begin.
Keep it a note that having them listed as a Chinese military company could let US put pressure against open source groups to not collaborate with them; very similar to how US forced Linux Foundation to kick off decade old russian collaborators.
That's a bad mischaracterization. You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily . Torvald spoke in support of it. I'm sure many governments and groups using the Linux kernel and open source want Developers that are vetted. Or can be reasonably sure won't be forced to act maliciously under duress.
It is not a mischaracterization though. Open source projects can be forced to stop accepting contributions from employees of sanctioned companies, which would include Tencent employees if sanctioned. Anyways, Tencent is not being sanctioned here, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Also, Linus was definitely forced to kick the Russian maintainers out by USA sanctions.
Cry more and maybe the west will care (we won't, but still.. try)