Woman jailed after using shooting suspect's catchphrase as insurance company denied claim.

Agreed. It’s straight up murder

Maybe if you get another vote?

What was wrong?

Financial extermination. But threat of violence would’ve been my next step in trial and error. It’s my family.. I’d do anything for them. People even told me I should’ve. It was a tough situation and I was young. A little younger than Luigi.

Paid speech

Elon Musk could tweet about this (he won't, though, because he's a shit-eating ass nozzle) and nothing would happen.

Nothing. Not a thing. They can do anything they want, but the poors get shit on and jailed.

And also shouldn't be

So, Trump will be arrested as well?

Ouch. "This place is a shit show," the judge said. (Not really, just fixed it for him).

They need to appeal this. Clear judicial error. If he wouldn’t have done this 3 weeks ago legally he can’t do it now.

100k for a threat made in reaction to what was likely fear for her life, or the life of her loved one.

It's pretty amazingly cruel.

Not saying you are wrong about the marginalized, but in this case she made, what could be considered threatening, a call to a health care provider that was not only actionable, but entirely recorded.

"The system" won't make an example out of her, "Exhibit A" will. That's the difference.

Oops, I completely misinterpreted your comment. Not sure what etiquette says, but I feel silly and am removing mine.

I agree that this person saying "you guys are next" is not a threat to the degree that it should be chargeable, and that she's being made an example of.

Were their threats recorded? The fact that people have said worse doesn't change the fact that it was a threat.

First amendment doesn't cover true threats. So it all kinda depends on context and whether who it was said to felt as though they were in real danger.

Ohh good point. Have a call center friend; heard stories...

Do not threaten commerce, they don't tolerate that. The money must flow at all costs.

I don't think it's terrorism either as I understand. Terrorism targets citizens for leverage.

The whole fucking system is as crooked as a $3 bill

previously it was at some poor customer support agent in a 3rd world country, now the danger is to the mega donors oligarchy club members.

won’t be tolerated.

Yet, if some citizen tells another citizen directly, "I'm going to kill you until you are dead," and that second citizen then goes to the police to report it, the police will respond, "we have no proof other than your hearsay, person one has to actually commit some act of violence before we can even issue a restraining order (worthless) let alone do any 'police work.'"

This is how it acts in citizen-to-citizen interaction in the real world. A business gets special treatment versus a citizen, yet again.

(Regardless of how crass or inappropriate her angry comment was. Remember: America lets Nazis exist because "free speech" - it's a huge hypocrisy.)

She didn't say she was going to be involved in whatever the "next" thing ment. Might have been a heart-felt warning against vigilantes.Also, the "next" thing might well have been "...to get much needed care denied".

Legally this is so flimsy it's a waste of time. Looking at wording from politicians there's way more direct calls to violence which will never be prosecuted. In practice it shows the pull of big corporations with cops, and inconveniences the life of an already inconvenienced person.

I was literally told by some dude that “if I see you again, I’ll fucking kill you” while I was walking my dog at night around my town’s library. I told the police and they didn’t do jack shit. Whereas this lady gets a hit by a $100,000 bond?

It's weird, because I took it to mean that the people she's talking to are going to be denied insurance in some way next.

I mean we can assume, and it's fairly likely, that it was a reference to the assassination, but American court is fucked if this is enough.

Fear can be a very powerful motivator, as everyone one rent check away from the street knows. It’s time for the leeches to feel some of that fear

Well is the ex a CEO?

Just dont say what I dont wanna hear

It's because she said they're next, and it was recorded. Threats aren't protected speech.

Well, she actually said "Delay, Deny, Depose. You people are next,"

That's a pretty direct threat. The headline is misleading.

Well, “depose” isn’t pat of it. The killer added that part.

The plebians are uppity

“You people are next...”

"... to hear from my lawyer!"

"... to get bad press once I go to the newspaper."

"... <insert anything that doesn't mean physical violence.>"

I hope we don't jail people based on what we think they meant.

Let's say an elected official or candidate (bless em if any would actually do this) says this phrase in a speech. Would they be arrested? Or would they be given an interview for them to explain themselves, where they deftly state "obviously I'm not talking about doing it myself - but generally speaking these companies are heading in a concerning direction". There would be debates over it, some people would be upset, but the story would fade and the politician would likely move on as well.

Say that phrase with Trump's voice in your head and it sounds like much of his political speech.

Regular folks must be a lot more careful with their speech in the US, far less of it is free.

Sure that's the reason but is it a justification?

Do you know how many people are saying shit like this everyday all day?

This is the police protecting corporate America over the working class.

I guarantee they are taking orders from the oligarchs. Squash any talks of more execution

No, her lack of money is the reason for jail.

That won't stop them from trying. After all, the prisons are profit centers for them.

I'm guessing one of the dimensions is time, so we're talking about an aged cheese. The fifth dimension, I've no idea what it could be

Mind blowing really

She's been released with no charges. Fucker's didn't have a case.

That's not a threat. Thays a awning. She never said she would do anything specific. This is a slam dunk defense case.

She should of said, " The second amendment people will take care of you". Now that is presidential.

What a fucking farce that our POTUS makes threats all the time but a citizen can't even speak their mind.

It was the, "You people are next". If she had just used his catchphrase I doubt we'd be here.

Clearly what we all mean when we say depose is get them in front of a lawyer asking questions on the record.

I'll make the textual argument that depose could mean "To lay down; to divest one's self of; to lay aside." Which i believe applies.

I agree with the end of what you wrote, but I thought the mob didn't actually kill the police officer? I try to absorb news from diverse sources so I'm used to getting different versions of a story. I wonder which version is more spun?

Edit after writing that comment, I looked at the wiki article about it. I guess the police officer was pepper sprayed by two rioters, one of whom got 7 years prison for that. The officer died the next day of two strokes. There was some misreporting about the cause of his death, but it was ruled natural causes. That determination also ended up a little controversial.

I think of them all the time actually...

nothing controversial here, almost all of us want to do something like this but are either too chicken or have dependents that we do not want to leave behind alone by going to jail.

Don't forget the capitalist ideology based on profiting from the denial of basic human needs. Not just free but completely indoctrinated!

I knew those frozen peach yogurts were up to something

Are u saying quoting someone who committed violence is a threat of violence? What if i where to say liberty, equality, fraternity is that a threat of guillotine?

Charging at them directly where they want you to charge, their designated fall guys, sounds like a superbly inefficient strategy. You are pinching a huge amount of bystanders caught in the middle to for a proportionally negligible effect.

Yes, if someone who is desperately asking for a proverbial (maybe literal?) bullet in their head puts a hostage between you and them, can you still plow right through the hostage and get them that way? Exhaust everyone they can possibly field to eventually break through to them? Sure, in principle. That can balloon to an absurdly high casualty count, though. Is it really all worth it?

It's a lot more efficient to, wherever possible, sidestep around the hostage, get behind them and strike directly at the problem. That's exactly what Luigi Mangione did, and its effectiveness is exactly what's being applauded.

If your rebuttal is that what Luigi did is far more of a risky path to take, you don't wish to take a risk like that, and you'd rather faff about kicking low level grunts instead because that's an easier, lower-consequence option for you that theoretically makes progress, okay, I guess. I personally think you're just wasting your time and energy pissing off only the wrong people. Only big stunts are gonna move the needle, in my opinion.

Their frontline workers should take the brunt of what the public feels.

Yes. That is the job. But the fact that they already take the brunt doesn't justify anyone screaming/abusing/threatening/ect the CSR.

Sounds like a win to me. Company goes under because no one wants to work for them knowing the public hates them or they will get paid enough they don't care.

A win for whom? What exactly do you get out of it? Satisfaction? Is it just some kind of flaccid moral victory or something?

If this were actually the case, quite a lot of businesses would've gone under a long time ago. Most of them still pay shit wages.

In the meantime, real people are negatively affected by the assholery of customers every single day.

This is not a win for the workers. It's hard enough being forced to spend most of your life working to make just enough money to scrape by, let alone being screamed at, insulted, condescended to, ect.

But then you can't access the person who is at fault so there is nothing you can do.

except to berate the CSR, apparently. There's definitely nooo way to voice one's concerns while speaking like a respectful, emotionally competant human being.

Wait, what does flipping out on them accomplish again?

Low wage phone workers HAVE been taking the brunt of this shit. It just never mattered to CEOs until now because they never thought theyd be the ones to get the bullet. They probably expected a mass shooting at one if their call centers or something. You know, nothing that hurts them directly.

The worst part is call centers often have policies that say they aren't allowed to hang up. So they have to sit there and take the abuse. I wonder what the depression and suicide rates are for call center workers....

The point is people are fucking desperate, told to be happy they have a job, and end up in the employment version of an abusive relationship. And like folks in abusive relationships, we should cheer for them to leave while also recognizing it can be quite difficult to do just that.