[Tom Warren] The PS5 Pro still hasn’t sold out in the US or UK. Looks like the $700 price point will mean this console will be readily available this holiday

You had me in the first half, ngl

He's saying that it's a good thing it hasn't sold out yet, allowing it to have plenty of supply for Christmas season. It's a good thing due to the PS5 previously being sold out everywhere last Christmas.

While I think it's still too high a price point for me personally, it's at least a logical increase in price because supply and demand has caused it to be increased.

I think they're implying a comparison to the PS4. It was notoriously difficult to get a PS4 for months after it's release because it was constantly sold out

There are a lot of great games for the PS, though.

That's already halfway through it's lifecycle

30fps! 💪😡

But it has ray tracing and 8k graphics or someshit. How amazing.

I don't know about recession, but I know I've hit a personal inflection point with prices where I'm just sick of the bullshit and only buy if absolutely necessary, or on sale.

Everyone is so fucking greedy, everyone wants just 5 more dollars bro to the point where the consumerism has been driven out of me.

I actually have money to buy shit, I just don't want to anymore because nothing seems to correspond to its value anymore.

A new car? 35 k for a fucking base kia, gtfo out with this shit.

New phone? 1.2k for the same screen bullshit as the last 5 years.

Same with this PS5, they are pricing this shit like it's lifesaving medicine, when in reality it's just shit no-one really needs

We also don't give a shit.

If you own a PS5 already, it doesn't offer you much and if you own a PC, it offers you less.

No I think it just proves this is a shit product

Curious to how the lone downvoter views this topic. They disagree with me apparently, but on what point? The fact that people don't want to spend $700+ on a marginal upgrade? Do they though? The fact that we're in a recession? We are though. They bought a PS5 Pro and are actively experiencing buyer's remorse so they have to chime in on every PS5 Pro post with a symbolic "nuh uh"? Probably.

Also $700 isn't going to buy you much of a PC if you don't have one already. Maybe mid spec 1080p.

Not that I'm arguing for PC. I'm pro-console in most circumstances. Only for power modders, power gamers or power purchasers would I maybe argue that PC is the better route. Everyone else, console 100% (except this joke of a console).

It's about the same as the inflation-adjusted PS3 price, but here's the thing: the PS3 had a difficult first couple of years. If not for the Red Ring of Death, Microsoft could have come out ahead that generation. One thing Sony is good at is capitalizing on its competitors' mistakes, and combined with price reductions on later models, they pulled out a victory. Being >$750 inflation-adjusted dollars at launch wasn't why it won.

Because PCs are worse for living room/controller gameplay, you have to deal with Windows or Linux, and many other factors?

It's been a really sad console generation. It could be because I got a steam deck, but only Nintendo seems to be putting out 1st party games that are any good (and even then it's been hit or miss).

Plus if you wait a few years PlayStation will release it on Steam and then you can play it on the deck.

Are PS5 games even playable offline straight from discs? Do you buy them just to save bandwidth?

This is why I like seeing new tech with a high launch price. Even if I want one, I'm patient, and it would be worth seeing a bunch of scalpers get fucked from just assuming that initial demand will set the price even higher.

I hope they thought they had to wait in an uncomfortable line to grab the ones they got and that the store only offers exchanges and no refunds.

This is a bit off topic, but it made me nostalgic. My first argument on reddit over a decade ago was with someone, either a scalper or a contrarian, trying to argue that scalpers provided a useful service that made things more fair, rather than assholes creating scarcity so they could profit selling a solution to a problem they themselves create.

So yeah, I hope they all get fucked on this one, too.

It's already at scalper prices, the fuck are they going to sell it for? Lol.

The last thing we need is Pro consoles getting exclusives. That would be PS6 in all but name.

The PS4 Pro made some sense. The PS4 was underpowered on launch, and 4K became pretty commonplace shortly after they launched. It still had an underpower CPU, but at least you got an upscaled HDR 1440p image for most of the time which is good enough. Even PC gamers accepted upscaling to 4K once they gave it a fancy name and told them it was exclusive.

But here, you've already got a choice of pretty RT mode and 60 fps mode, and if you really wanted both of those at the same time, then you could lash out a big pile of money for a PC.

It's 700 notes for half a generation of slightly prettier gaming. It's aimed at the "turn everything to ultra and have a fit when it drops below 60fps" PC gaming demographic, who have no need for this.

Yep. This gen has been pretty barren when it comes to AAA games that aren’t remasters/remakes and it’s not just exclusives. The handful of AAA games I want to play run perfectly fine on my low spec PC. Sure not at 4k60, but upgrading my pc or buying a PS5 pro just for those few games just isn’t worth it.

For Europe it’s 800 EUR + disc drive + vertical stand, almost 1k in total. No thanks, Sony 🤡

I have a Steam Deck and a PS5 that I will be replacing with the Pro when it ships. So to give you an answer: I'm not going to be plugging a Steam Deck into a 4k 65" OLED TV with VRR. Don't get me wrong, I love the Steam Deck, and I also enjoy PC gaming when mouse and keyboard makes sense, but sitting on the couch in font of a giant responsive display with amazing colors is by far how I enjoy gaming the most.

I'm a huge fan of the deck and use mine daily, but that is just stupid. These are entirely different platforms with different purposes, and deck just fails at new games. I see so many cases of people saying it runs new games perfectly and realistically you get 20 fps on low

The specs on the Steamdeck are pretty underwhelming, and the cost of storage upgrades is outrageous. I was thinking about buying one yesterday, so I just looked at all the specs. It's due for a second version, but that's not coming for at least another year. So, I decided to build a mATX computer instead. But I don't care at all about the portable aspect, so I'm probably not their target demographic.

I think everyone should ditch consoles too, but I don't understand the "no games" comment, I've played through Elden Ring, Returnal, Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo 7...

There are clearly games for it, what gives?

uh what are you even talking about?? It has block-buster console sellers like Concord

Sony is so out of touch it's actually insane.

C’mon, PS5 has great PS4 games, like Horizon, God of War, The Last of Us, …

And no drive, so it's not like it only does movies

Hey now there's like 2 games.

Not enough to make me buy a PS5 but still

Build a pc.

Install linux.

Get confused by linux.

What the fuck does linux want from me???

Rip hair out.

Be bald.

People confuse you for skinhead.

Wear wig.

Wig blows off on sunny windy day.

Lose wig.

Be sad.

PS5 pro is a waste of money, but also lots of people don't want a PC to play games. Two things can be true at the same time!

Or if you want something more turnkey, a Steam Deck. Want more flexibility? Put Bazzite on it.

Been building since 2003.

On Linux since 2018. Currently on Bazzite.

On meh 7950x X Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX and NVME 4.0 drive. 240hz 4k on Display Port.

Who would wanna play on cruddy console hardware lol. Based. Ironically I use a DualSense Edge.

Also have an OG and OLED Steam Deck.

I am spoiled by living near a Micro Center.

Tho the 9800X3D may launch as soon as next month for people wanting to wait.

Who is making all those pc parts? It wouldn’t be corporations would it.

I don't get the hype for the anniversary edition.

I haven't heard it would launch, and one day I saw people offering 2000$ for one on a trade site. My only thought was "wow, glad im not a fucking idiot like these guys".

I sure might be stupid, but not that stupid.

You forgot the 10k for "Attempting to buy the ps5 pro for you" lol

It really is tough to see the doubled framerate when you pause the game.

Wait is that really how blurry it is in game? That would make me sick trying to play a game like I was nearsighted constantly.

It's more, almost only, visible on the enemies venom is destroying. Overall it's slightly less blurry.

In what ways is it worse?

The PS3 also had damn few games to play at launch. If it wasn't for Sony's decision to ship it with a BD-ROM drive it probably would have been a total flop. Home theater nerds saved the PS3.

Especially when the differences to the base console are barely noticeable. It's bad when the reveal has to zoom in to sell the difference

Here is this giant enemy crab

Man we don't even get Ridge Racer anymore, it's why the generations just haven't been the same.

Ps5 pro, just got released. But it’s entirely too expensive for what its offering over base ps5, doesn’t have a disc reader, and while I love my base model there really aren’t that many games taking advantage of it so having to pay more for remastered last gen games doesn’t feel like a good value for most folks I’d imagine.

This is the Pro, the mid-cycle refresh with more power and whatnot.

Almost nobody buys a new phone every year. And if a phone is your only computing device, buying a high end one isn't a bad idea.

The $700 console is overpriced relative to its power and has pretty much no games.

Every year? The only person I know within my immediate vicinity has phones ranging from 2019 2022.

Also something you use probably 3-5 hours a day vs something you might use only a few hours a week isn't immediately comparable.

A modern day necessity vs a relatively niche item.

Don't forget about the advocado toasts!

Make no mistake... those people are clowns too.

What puts me off is the lack of games this generation. I'm not spending £700 on a console where the only worthwhile exclusive that isn't already on PC is Astro Bot.

If that's the best thing that Sony and Microsoft can give us after three years of releasing their current consoles, then we're well and truly on the verge of another market crash.

Who even buys a new phone every year?

People usually clown on Apple users specifically for doing this, but every Apple user I know uses their phone for multiple years. In fact, Apple was giving users multiple years of software support while Samsung and others were only doing 2 major Android updates for flagships. Google was the one to FINALLY change the status quo in the Android world, so that's good at least, others seem to be following suit. Previously, Android users I knew would just keep going without software updates. Luckily they mostly still receive security updates for a few years after the OS updates stop.

None of the manufacturers gives you a compelling reason to upgrade every year anymore. 10-15 years ago the changes were big because the first smartphones were shit compared to what you had just a few years later. Between the original iPhone and roughly the 5 or 5s, every upgrade was pretty major. Same on the Android side.

Now I think you'd have to go from an 11 Pro to 16 Pro to notice anything. And good news in that department, if you still have an 11 or 11 pro, that still got the iOS 18 update. Actually, so did the older XR and XS.

The only reason to buy a new phone every year nowadays is because Apple, knowing EXACTLY what they're doing, changes the camera arrangement every year so clout chasers would know you have last year's model. It's stupid as fuck, but luckily none of the people I know fall for it.

I know some people upgrading Pixels every year because with trade in and sales they only need to pay like $200. I don’t think Sony will take an existing PS5 though…

When iphones went from 400 to 999, I do remember people having an outrage, soon after samsung also raised their prices. It is that moment for console gamers right now.

I think the demographic is slightly different. The people buying consoles might know more about what they're buying and do some research about it. Whereas the newest iphone getting released all the normies will flood to it and get the newest shiny apple product after they hear about its release.