This is a precise depiction of both Lemmy and Reddit, surprisingly.
It could in fact depict any forum, IRC, or organized online community.
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
And generally that's fine. If you're posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn't call it "private" because it's monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
No, it's just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
See, the app won't track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
You can’t unseen the huge one problem that Lemmy has: lack of contents/people
And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.
I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don't get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it's not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.
The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I'm making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.
I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won't be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.
Catch 22. Just gotta start posting content
lemmy now has more content daily than reddit in 2011, we'll grow.
We've already grown faster than reddit
There is substantially less content , but there is content. I don't get everything I am looking for, but enough to keep me happy
And searching for the said content
lemmy aint that private, and possibly easily scrapable
As all sites should be. I'm on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don't put nothing online you don't want the world to know.
I used to think like this, but it's a bit more nuanced./ If you tell people they can't have any expectation of privacy, it's essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they're not welcome.
Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn't be trivial to violate someone's privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.
Reddit isn't privacy-safe either.
I'd put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.
To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn't a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don't really bother me that much.
not having e2ee bothers me on private 1on1 chat apps.
i don't expect it on lemmy though.
You can't guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren't power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won't leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn't make the mods themselves any different and that's all in theory anyway. In practice there isn't currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you've run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you'll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they'll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn't mean different people.
Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.
This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There's some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven't yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
Not only that but where do they think 3/4 of the mods went during the great migration and blackout out reddit?
Lemmy dudes. They haven't gone anywhere lol. Hell, reddit feels even less moderated these days besides the usual stickler subs like /r/anime lmfao.
I got banned from world news for being pro Palestinians and the mods wouldn't even give me an answer as to why I got banned. Then when I kept asking I got a site wide ban for ""harassment"
I got banned from /news for being "antisemitic" because I debunked the fake israeli Rape propaganda and from worldnews for calling out a Zionist mod spreading pro-israel propaganda.
Also took a few temp bans on .world for debunking other Hasbara such as claims about Hamas bases under hospitals in the beginning of the Genocide.
I got perma IP banned from reddit after engaging a pro Trumper in a debate about what candidate actually gives us any remote chance for legalization. They devolved to trolling. I matche their energy. Guess who's comments got downvoted to hell (the troll) yet still is allowed to keep their account.
One thing I find interesting about Lemmy is that the modlog is public. This is the modlog for you on lemmy.ml (I assume you meant [email protected] since it seems to be the largest worldnews community). https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=1572077
Note to readers: I'm not saying this user did or did not do anything deserving of action against them, but I believe public modlogs are a useful tool for accountability.
I was talking about reddit, but yeah
I got banned for criticising Israel too
Back when Reddit was both good and the only option, we could laugh about being banned from the Trump sub.
Lots of mods on my favourite bits of Reddit left for lemmy, they were replaced by admins and the admins' friends
It's easy now to get a site wide ban if you participate in big subs (and a myriad small subs with the same mods) and don't share the mods' politics
my experience is such that people don't get these sweeping bans for having opinions. They get them for acting like sociopathic aggressive individuals.
And based on what I'm seeing when I check folks' profiles reiterating the same story... Yep it checks out more often than not. There's no discourse on the internet when it consists of calling people slurs in a weird barrage of insults. Those are the people who get banned here or there.
Reddit still has niches that (unfortunately) exist nowhere else, probably won't exist anywhere else soon due to the need for foot traffic, and are tolerable as long as old.reddit.com stays up.
And it's the lesser evil over Discord.
Lemmy is of course 1000x better, but it doesn't matter if your niche there is a ghost town.
I only lurk on Reddit these days, but if old reddit goes away I'll be completely done with it.
anything worth value, is 3 > 4 years old, and all those users are "deleted".
if google and duck duck go stop indexing old.redd, I'll probably never see it again.
But, at least trying to grow said niches didn't hurt. I've been on lemmy for more than a year and i've both created new horror groups and "adopted" abandoned one and, at the very least, now there's some life there. Nothing amazing, but people post and interact now.
If a group you find interesting is abandoned just start posting there, also, if the mods are gone for more than 9 months, just ask to the instances admins to become the new Moderator, all it took is to send a mail most of the time.
The main problem is, people are not aware of the left path
Well the main problem is that the left path has about a tenth the content.
And also that Redditors are terrified of change.
Correction to my comment, the right road is wider, and is also a giant glue trap
about a tenth the content
I fucking wish.
So many communities simply don't have alternatives here. But I'm happier with the quality of the communities that do exist. So what if they don't have spam bots sharing 6-12 month old memes that sometimes make no sense outside the timeframe they were post and users just repeating catch phrases for karma increasing the amount of "content"?
Is the onboarding experience any better? I remember the initial process of joining Lemmy felt very shady and not user friendly. That can be a massive deterrent for people joining. Then on top of that having to filter out all the communities that are not to my taste.
Overall it was a messy non-user friendly experience, but now that I'm here I'm happy.
I tried to recruit a friend of mine but the moment I tried to explain instances to him, he zoned out. I wouldn’t call it non-user friendly, but it’s not as simple and dumbed down like other social media is.
Also roughly a year ago there have been a couple of articles thrown around on Twitter and certain subreddits which wrote about CP stuff going on on Mastodon. So the Fediverse had some bad press. Which is rich coming from the site that allowed people like Violentacrez to fester.
Kinda feels like the site isn't developing much at all tbh. I know mods have been asking for more tools for a while now
Is there more privacy though? What you post is public and people can use the api/scrape it soo....
We are free from "intrusive advertisers who tracks every movement, clicks and time spent on each kind of post, comment or whatever"
As well as device fingerprinters
yeah, this is literally a public forum. Everything posted is public. Nothing is private.
Privacy is such a loaded term. To some people it means that your data is.not being actively sold to advertisers. To others it means everything is e2e encrypted.
That being the case, I would LOVE better search indexing, so I could search Lemmy, then reddit, THEN the rest of the web lol.
I think most people here would take the left path but there might be a selection bias at play
I tried going back to Reddit after a year and a half away. It's literally unusable now. Got banned from like 5 subs and Reddit within 2 days whereas before my account was 7 years old without a ban. You literally can't say anything there anymore without offending someone or starting a fight and you'll get banned right away for any dissent or wrong think. Every mod is ban happy and if you say anything beyond a one word, vanilla answer, you get banned. It's absolute trash, like I said I made it there for 7 years without a ban, now it's just frustrating to get banned from every other sub for every other comment. And every post you put up gets taken down right away for one reason or another
I'm currently a public enemy on reddit (as in, they ban every account they find that could possibly be me) because I made a comment stating that Egyptians (I'm egyptian) are not zionists. This was in response to someone saying that Egyptians actually hate palestinians and support israel.
I got permabanned, then they proceeded to permaban every account I made, after the first, the one that lasted the longest (and last) lasted 3 months until It was flagged again for saying "I don't debate zionists" which reddit considers hate, they removed the 3 day ban I got for that but didn't remove the permaban the account got for being associated with my old account (used on the same device).
Basically each time I'm banned from a subreddit or temporarily banned from reddit itself my account gets terminated.
All because I don't support israel.
I refuse to make another one out of principle
Edit: I can't stop laughing right now.
THEY ACCIDENTALLY UNBANNED ME
Wow. Zionists have banned me from their reddits for not replying fast enough to their bullshit. That is nuts.
I was permabanned for saying that Lebanese people (I am Lebanese) don't blame Israel for all of Lebanon's problems... just the problems that they deserve blame for.
Seeing my nearly 13 year old account guy permabanned for that when these people have been getting away with calling for the genocide and bombing of Lebanese children is as chilling as it is infuriating .
If you posted anything close to your post history here, well.........
I always wonder who are the creeps that check out strangers post history. Anyways that's my point, I'm not like you you're not like me. I don't like you either but I don't want you banned because you offend me.
What's worse is that if you look at both our histories you're gonna realize we both hate Trump and conservatives, in a person of color. I'm LGBTQ. but you're one of those people who just creams themselves on division so you look for it, even among your allies. So to you in not a true Scotsman and therefore you can now look down on me and feel better. When at the end of the day we're both on the same side, even if we don't jive.
I'm not sure if mods are a proper criteria when it comes to comparing Lemmy and Reddit. The audience is mostly the same and Lemmy doesn't automatically make people/mods better or worse.
Also, you forgot one major point: API! I get to use and support my third party app of choice Sync here on Lemmy which was killed off by Reddit.
Yeah, as soon as Reddit killed off Reddit is fun, it was game over for me
Yup. I made a comment on [email protected] that criticized the recent rigged Venezuelan election, complete with citations. Banned for "misinformation". Sure, you can just go elsewhere, but "better mods" is subjective.
Me over here just vibing by myself on my own self-hosted instance that I pay out of pocket for. I go find communities I like and subscribe to them, and it’s enough to keep me interested and engaged, without most of the bullshit Reddit has.
Exactly this
Definitely a good route!
Majority: everybody uses reddit, so I'll join them
Me: everybody uses reddit now, time to leave
Lemmy.World is undergoing is bit of a Zionist admin/mods problem.
They seem to admire the reddit r/worldnews model.
Add transphobia to the list, saying "questioning another users stated gender identity as a form of internet clout chasing is transphobic" gets your comment removed.
This is the good part of the fediverse too. Search for another instance that is more friendly towards the plight of Palestinians.
I don't understand. If a mod from memes.world bans me from a meme community, I can still comment on memes.world from another instance? Or are you saying just go to another community on another instance that has the same kind of content? Because if it's the latter then Lemmy's userbase number problem comes into play. Even popular subjects only have like one or two big communities.
They've already said they are deliberately on the offensive against Zionists and choose .world because it's the biggest cesspool of them on Lemmy.
I got banned from world news because I simply responded to about obviously bullshit comment with 'nope'. I was fatigued and short on time, but ultimately that was all their false claims deserved.
Nahh the mods are irrelevant, they're human everywhere .
Reddits a turd because its corporate, they're literally exploiting you for their betterment. I dont understand why people are OK with that but here we are.
There are pros and cons. I use both, because Lemmy on its own just isn't big enough to replace Reddit. Lemmy has a decent variety of active communities for very broad/mainstream topics, plus technology and left wing politics, reflecting the shared interests of most Lemmy users. But then for any topic that's more niche and doesn't have a disproportionally large overlap with the interests of Lemmy users, it kinda falls appart. A lot of the more niche subredddits I participate in have no Lemmy equivalent.
I'm also hesitant to call Lemmy's moderation better. One thing I've noticed with Lemmy mods is that they tend to be far too lenient with off-topic posts. Right now the top post for me on "All" is this post from [email protected]. You might notice that it isn't a meme in any way shape or form. You might also notice that it was literally posted by a mod from that community. This kind of thing happens a lot, communities on Lemmy are very prone to getting derailed away from their nominal topic.
Are the better mods in the room with us now?
Internet moderation needs to be performed dispassionately. It's administration, not leadership. But still, it appeals to power-tripping, self important assholes who have no interest in curating a functional community but instead ensuring everyone thinks and acts exactly like they do. The larger lemmy gets, the more of these awful moderators make up the moderation team. There is no mechanism in place to prevent this. I don't even know how such sa mechanism would work, but as soon as one is figured out, the Internet will be a better place.
Lemmy: with account and active participation (but lurking most of the time) Reddit: using RedReader without account to browse all those best posts from days past.
I was just re-wiping my Reddit comments with an updated text yesterday and apparently, the word "enshittification" is banned on r/hellsomememes. Seriously?
I miss the content though, and I have too much of a life to create a fediverse community and fill it with content even if it's stolen. Can somebody break Reddit's ToS and set up a reposting bot?
Reposting bots aren't great. It just means a bunch of articles with no comments that make Lemmy look more dead than it actually is.
These aren't articles, they're just memes. The discussion below is mostly just "aww" and "I'd like a demon friend too" so it's not too important. Of course, the reposting should not be overdone: perhaps limit the bot to a single top post every day.
r/hellsomememes
Would like to see that community on Lemmy
So would @[email protected] and @[email protected]. That makes four!
I am too busy to create it though.
There are some reposting bot, Lemmit comes to mind
Can you, or anyone, explain to me how tf to do the text overwriting thing? Like, is it even doable for someone who doesn't know the first thing about coding?
I am using Shreddit on Linux. It goes through each line in
comments.csvfrom the GDPR export I requested, which is more complete than the data PowerDeleteSuite gets access to. PowerDeleteSuite basically clicks through your comment history on old.reddit.com and submits edit requests, while Shreddit uses the powerful API (it's not paid for personal use but you need to register the client, see the github page) and will find all comments thanks to the legally-mandated completeness of the GDPR export (if supplied; it will use the API to retrieve the comment list otherwise). BTW, you can alter thecomments.csvfor a custom filter (for example, I want to use a Czech string in Czech subreddits). You can use it on Windows (and it's an easier installation) but because of non-POSIX shenanigans, newlines in the replacement string won't work there.If using PowerDeleteSuite, make sure to download the log file it supplies before you close the window or your original comment content will be lost!
If you're talking about your past reddit comments, I used this in the past: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite, not sure if it still works though.
What do you mean by "privacy" on the lemmy side? And aren't the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
Hi, I'm Serinus of the Lemmy.World Community Team checking in.
And aren't the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
No. Most of the mods from Reddit stayed on Reddit to desperately cling to "power".
Also, if you want to help with this, talk to me about modding a community or two.
in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule
It generally takes about five minutes a month to mod a medium (Lemmy) sized community. I have to beg people to volunteer, and they often turn me down.
Our top mods seem to be great people, but I'm still trying to informally limit how many communities they have in favor of having more diversity and fresh blood. But it's difficult when they're willing to actively help out, and I have to go beg otherwise active people who turn me down.
Please, if you don't like super mods and you want to actually help, go take a look at some of your favorite communities right now. See if the mods have posted in the last couple months. If they haven't, talk to me about modding that community. Mention this post.
Tell your friends about the Boost app. It makes things so much easier.
Voyager has big Apollo vibes which I am appreciating
I’m using Arctic and really like it! Apollo vibes.
Boost has ads. Just FYI, I use it and like it a lot but some can't stand ads
Fair. I paid the small one-off fee to disable ads and yeah, that's that. :)
Better than sync?
I used Boost when it was for Reddit, and never looked back. It's got everything I could need so yeah. All that for Lemmy is amazing.
I insulted a mod unknowingly on a subreddit like a decade ago (all I said was that his advice was idiotic) and since then every time I mistakenly post on that subreddit, my account get permabanned and then all my other accounts get permabanned as well. What a completely stupid website.
This happened to me for a Pro palestine comment.
Today they accidentally unbanned me because they can't even run their platform properly.
My account has an "suspension appeal rejected" message and is still running, fucking hell
They didn't even say anything, the account Is just suddenly not banned anymore
FYI, you seem to be new here and seem not to be far-left. For your future enjoyment of lemmy, note that Lemmy.ML is a communist instance and therefore you may not like some of the content there.
I don't hold any ideological leanings and don't mind communists and marxists.
It's not a service issue, it's a people issue. Just wait and see Lemmy just turn up the same.
I want to choose Lemmy but I use Reddit more because Lemmy has technical problems, it keeps logging me out after days or few weeks, Reddit keeps my session for months or years
Have you tried to change instances? I've tried a couple and didn't had this issue so far.
Staying here and reporting issues would help Lemmy, you know? Much more than just complaining it isn't as stable and mature as a commercial product developed by a company for years.
Logging you out from the website of your Lemmy instance or from a mobile app?
If the latter, try changing app. If the former, try contacting your instance admin, or see if there's a mod/admin community. Worst case scenario, move to another instance.
I agree, I really really want to move completely to FOS, even maby help other people over. But there seems to be many technical limitations.
How can we create a FOS social media for all 😭
Mine never logged out since last time a server side update required relogin(nearly a year ago)
Well you got the no ads part right at least for now
Was I the only one who read "power hungry" and "mods" separately and thought it fit with how reddit is run these days? I.E. the owners of the site are power hungry. I mean, the mods are too but they don't hold a candle to the owners or reddit.
I think you may be preaching to the choir on this one. 😅
The mods are not better here.
Are you sure it's not just your instance?
mango is both retarded, and unrelatedly correct.
Yes.
Lemmy's mostly alright, it's nice that it is more politically open, though I've seen a lot I don't agree with from some groups, namely hexbear, but also a bit from other places. ml is a mixed bag for me but at least you can just straight up block things easily.
You looking for an echo chamber? lol
What isnt one today?
With Lemmy you have a selection of echo chambers, so its much more diverse in the end.
Sometimes hanging out with like-minded people is a less toxic, more pleasant experience.
Reddit on pc and lemmy on the phone. Better content on reddit with discussions not always becoming an ad for linux
Recently found a FF extension that works with RES to make the old.reddit mobile site...not a nightmare to use...
Now I pretty much just open reddit when I want tech news and/or feel hopeless...
hi, just created my account and installed voyager to browse on my phone. its great so far, I hope it'll last and I can ditch reddit entirely. Trying to find more interest-based fediverses, anyone know where to look?
Also, can’t search it without google according to them.
It's going to have ads eventually if it continues to grow.
better mods?
i just choose (other than lemmy) irc and some random obscure chatroom hidden in a webcomic
I would choose outline of both statements in opposite colors so that it's more ledgable
Lemmy no official apps but fediverse cross post are awesome
The one I can search posts from about a very specific issue or question I have with google
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It's the same picture.
they ban me wherever i go, so fuck em both.
It may be time to admit that the problem is you, not mods.
no. the problem is this massive pile of limp-wristed softies who need mods to protect them from the harsh reality of our modern predicament.
it is very much possible to be the only sane person in the crowd.
looking at your post history I completely understand why... I would ban you too if my rules included being nice
Are you joking? Lemmy is basically unmoderated, and the little moderation we have is trash.
Thats the neat part about lemmy, every instance can do their own thing.
If you're not happy with the moderation you currently have, you can always check out other instances
Several people have already raised concerns with the fact that they got banned from several unrelated .ml communities by the same mod for breaking the rules in one community. There are several topics with broad appeal that have their largest community on .ml. Switching instances is basically the same as making another account because you're still subject to the .ml moderation.
You're on one of the best-moderated instances unless you hate trans people.
I’m aware. That’s why I chose this instance. And yet.
I’m guessing the issue is that instance mods only see reports. What we’re missing is moderators that care about a community and curate it.
