A judge ordered Planned Parenthood to hand records of transgender care over to Andrew Bailey.
A judge ordered Planned Parenthood to hand records of transgender care over to Andrew Bailey.
A St. Louis judge has ruled that Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey is entitled to Planned Parenthood’s transgender care records, ordering the nonprofit to turn over some of its most sensitive files to the man who has built his unelected political career on restricting health care access for trans people.
In his Thursday decision, Circuit Judge Michael Stelzer wrote that Bailey can collect documents under Missouri’s consumer protection statute that aren’t protected under federal mandate, namely the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, better known as HIPAA.
“It is clear from the statute that the Defendant has the broad investigative powers when the consumer is in possible need of protection and there is no dispute in this matter,” wrote Stelzer. “Therefore, the Defendant is entitled to some of the requested documents within his [Civil Investigative Demand].”
Bailey, who last year attempted to implement a ban on gender-affirming care for people of all ages, was quick to celebrate the decision, calling it a “big day” for the state.
"My team will get to the bottom of how this clandestine network of clinics has subjected children to puberty blockers and irreversible surgery, often without parental consent,” he wrote in a statement.
Ffs, he makes it sound like toddlers are getting snatched off the streets to get "trans'ed".
Give me one fucking case anywhere in this state where a minor was given surgery without parental consent. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Honestly they have sown the myths of trans healthcare so hard that people legit believe 5 year olds are receiving puberty blockers. The barest of sense is easier to hijack than people can believe. It's why we can't depend on a majority vote for stuff like this. The airbrains are being given butterflies to chase and then telling us we're crazy. They probably have some fictional bogeyman-esque case someone wrote an article about or a interviewee they managed to play out of context nonsense from to cite you.
They've managed to convince people that 5 year olds are out here getting gender reassignment surgery, like it's not already incredibly hard for willing adults to get it
people legit believe 5 year olds are receiving puberty blockers.
The funniest part is, that's exactly who puberty blockers were initially intended for. Like the whole original point of puberty blockers is to block puberty in young children who are prematurely entering puberty. They've been in use for decades too, but no one complained until they started to be used in gender affirming care 🙄
Why should it matter if the parents give consent if the minor cant consent? A parents could consent to their child getting a face tattoo, but it doesnt mean a kid can consent to that.
I don't understand your question. Children can't consent, so when they would need to consent to something, their guardians are asked to consent for them. That's how e.g. all medical surgeries are performed on children.
Even better -
Conservatives: show me your personal medical records, I need to know if you are doing something I want to be illegal.
Also conservatives: what do you mean you want to check my mental health background before I can purchase a gun? Outrageous.
The whole LGBT stuff is such bullshit since it should 100% easily fall under first amendment expression it is retarded that they have not been trounced are every turn.
Ah, but you see, there is no restrictions to owning a gun. Our forefathers believed so, even though at the time every gun was a single shot using black powder that wasn't that accurate. They absolutely knew that one day people would have semi-automatic weapons able to fire off an obscene amount rounds in a minute, hitting a target accurately from a long distance.
Not like the Christians care but it also violates the fourth
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Silly commie. The 4th amendment is like the 3rd, 7th, and 8th. They’re all outdated silly things that are completely irrelevant to our modern world unlike the 2nd and certain interpretations of the 1st
The ruling specifically said items that aren't protected under federal mandate. When I deal with HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) information, just about everything you can imagine in the record is protected if it can be paired with another piece of info and narrow down a person's identity.
Scroll down to the 'Protected Health Information'
Hopefully that means they can deny just about every document... but I have no hope when it comes to courts and prosecutors in the states.
yeah no this definitely seems illegal then. There's no way asking for medical documents of trans people isn't going to reveal personal information about them, unless you're looking for fucking statistics?
You’re just saying that because a certain government in Germany forcefully obtained a list of people who’d received gender affirming care. I wonder why the names on that list seem to not have been around in the 1950s
Fuck off with that nonsense. If you can't see the difference between an actual theocratic fascist party (who makes no attempt to pretend otherwise) and a milquetoast neoliberal party, you're either wilfully ignorant, misinformed, or here to spread disinformation.
I think that they are trying to use "Medicaid fraud" as a backdoor to access medical records. I mean, the AG is specifically saying otherwise but that's the loophole they will use to get these records.
This is why they insist that being gay is a choice. They themselves are gay and they have chosen to just live in the closet. Now that it's so much more accepted, they're spitefully trying to force others to endure the hardship they live every day. Their misery is lonely.
But it’s not exactly clear yet which documents Bailey will be able to access or that sensitive medical records are completely off the table, as legal experts warn that HIPAA operates with a fairly narrow scope.
Does anyone here with any experience in this field know what sort of information he could access that would be damaging to patients?
Technically this is a grey area and they are blatantly misusing the exception for court order/warrant rule. HIPAA just states that records must be turned over but doesn't get into details concerning how much or how little should be provided. I really can't believe the judge allowed this but I suspect (hopeful anyway)that this will get kicked up to a federal court since federal law supercedes state laws.
It mostly depends on what he does with the information. Any personally identifiable information that becomes public puts someone at serious risk of being persecuted or physically threatened.
Despite the Attorney General’s demand that PPSLR turn over all patient medical records related to gender-affirming care, the court ruled that individual patient records remain protected — a major victory for patients' privacy rights.
I suspect this means the AG may receive de-identified records including procedure or diagnosis information, but not including any patient identifying information such as patient or billing account, name, address, social, date of birth, date of service, etc.
It could also include aggregate information about providers and facilities, especially if records are obtained under the guise of a fraud investigation, allowing the AG to target locations and providers where patients frequently obtain specific services. That route might be the most harmful to patients, for ex. if they're unable to continue receiving care because of harassment of the providers.
Yeah, I stopped with that line of thought ages ago. Regardless of whether it's true for any percentage of cases, they're still monsters causing massive amounts of damage and trauma to people just trying to exist. They've also shown us time and time again that hypocrisy is no barrier for them.
I'm from St. Louis so I keep up with local politics and shit. While you might find I disagree with most people on a lot of things, especially in the trans area of discussion, at no point do I think it's a good idea to put a politician in the same room as a doctor and a patient. That is all I am willing to say about that.
Hi, you can believe what you want to believe, but I wish I pursued care when I was younger (began questioning at the onset of puberty) rather than transitioning at 25.
The most commonly used model is puberty blockers with parental consent up until 16 and then HRT only with parental consent at 16.
Forcing a child to undergo a puberty that they do not want, is cruel!
Children do not choose to transition because they think it's cool to do so. They still get bullied for it. At least set them up to have a more stable adulthood.
Funniest part of reading this all is that I am repulsed by trans folk. Sorry, that's just that. However I do believe that they should have the right to be. Like, just be - happy, yourself, who cares what others think/feel, they aren't kidnapping anyone to turn them trans, they are doing stuff to themselves only. Sheesh.
But I do still perceive myself in negative light due to that repulsion. And then I see news what happens in USA and I am like, whaaaa. Cuz even if I did act upon that repulsion, that's going weird way. Like, there's no any try at helping. It's not "Ew, unnatural, we need to fix their psyche" (WHICH IS EVIL) or "Ew, they need reaffirmation about their sex!" (...which is barely better). No, straight up "Trans should go on without any kind of help". Why? Wtf. xD
Edit: Hell, even worse. Trans should be persecuted for having feelings/perceptions not dependent on their own volition. Yay. Wtf is wrong with people.
Hah, I tried, yes. I feel it as unnatural and wrong, not sure why, can't really track it to my enviro or anything so I just gave up on it. Especially that in the end it does harm to no one. It's funny though seeing all the dislikes. Also, just in case - person that replied to you earlier wasn't me.
Have you ever reflected upon the why? but you seem above that kind of thing. there are a lot of things in nature you are naturally repulsed by just because its strong does not mean its not a natural even uncontrollable reaction. but i guess framing the question fits you well. the whole repulsion is a strong reaction so it must just be you very bad person is just stupid.
WTF is transgender care what is the difference with just old care everybody else gets nobody seems to talk about that. what exactly is meant with transgender care, is there like gay care lesbian care bi care and what would that even be
There absolutely is. Trans care is whatever care Trans people get. Just like women's care is the care women get, children's care is the care children get, along with elder care and care for the disabled. Unqualified "care" is the province only of white, gender conforming, AMAB men, preferably WASPs. You don't hear as much about it now, but "black healthcare" is what gave us the Tuskegee syphilis human experiment.
Anything these bigots and fascists can use to distinguish the kind of care the "other" receives from normal care is a way to demonize the other and justify making their costs higher and their services worse, less, or outright illegal.
women and children or elder care is only differentiated because different biological things happen. the same with female or male biology that's why you would focuses on that. trans is only a very small subset of that. you only say transgender care because you don't want to directly say what it actually is you are actually asking for. transgender care is used because it sounds better then asking for hormones and puberty blockers and after that surgery's. its to marked something with a more familiar term to make it more acceptable. some people want hormones and puberty blockers to be the only way in reducing dysphoria and a big part of that wants surgery to be the only way. calling everybody bigots and fascists because you disagree with someone only shows how weak your arguments are. it does not help your credibility and it only helps to reduce the impact and meaning of the words.
So "Trans care" is a unique thing. There is some care that overlaps with the idea of "everyone else care" that is withheld from trans people by specific barriers of perceived sex. Like if a cis man is experiencing routine testicular pain getting them removed is a very different conversation in a doctor's office than a trans person who wants them removed for endocrinology reasons. The surgery is the exact same for both groups however. Mastectomy too tends to be very easy for cis women to get if they have a history of cancer in the family and want to play it safe rather than a trans person who wants their boobs gone because they have been binding them down whenever they can for mental health reasons. Same surgery but the non-trans option gets the fast pass. A lot of places you need the sign off of having years going to a mental health professional who vouches for you before that barrier is removed. Any surgery that has a "gendered" component usually has an extra barrier if you as a sex generally outside of the regular percieved demographic and is elective.
Then there is care that is more specific to trans people (though cis exceptions sometimes apply). Cross sex application of horomones for a feminizing or masculinizing, facial feminizing surgery where the bones of the skull are shaved down, vaginoplasty or phalloplasty (bottom surgery) tend to be mainly the domain of a history of research of medicine application specifically in the interests of trans people. Cis people aren't terribly likely to chase these options.
Then you get issues with cis medical bias. "Trans Broken Arm" syndrome exists where uninformed or bigoted doctors forcefully stop someone's horomonal regime sending them into menopause-like states of distress needlessly for things that a difference between the sexes endocrine systems do not effect. Or, because they are uninformed in the other direction they give bad dosages based on birth sex (trans people using horomones actually react to medications based in their hormonal makeup and fat distribution - not their birth sex characteristics) because of basically ignorance or bigotry where they refuse to treat trans people effectively because of what their beliefs a woman or man is rather than the actual medical best practice.
Lots of extra barriers for trans people tend to exist in seeking all types of medical care. Trans medicine is simultaneously a unique field of scientific study, a practical use of medicine for a specific targeted treatment, a philosophy of bodily autonomy and series of patchwork legal issues that can restrict options that could be applied to anyone by basing it's availability on sex.
trans care is only unique in that its trying to get shit by calling it trans care. and not i want hormones and puberty blockers and if i can a surgery. that is the primary reason its called trans care to piggy back of something that is already establish and associate it as the same thing. lets just not forget this is all just for appearance the opposite of something like cancer so what could be the mystery of one being harder to get then the other. hormonal makeup and fat distribution is based on your gender.
Access to hormone replacement therapy or puberty blockers if they've obtained the proper consent from parents or medical professionals (I think there's an AND in there, that they have to get both, varies by state but I'm not positive and haven't looked in years), gender affirming care falls under that too so potentially any consultations in regards to reducing dysphoria.
I had typed out a long response detailing what transgender care is, why it's different from "old care" that "everyone" gets, and why you're uninformed. I even had https://genderdysphoria.fyi/ lined up as a website to help you learn more.
But I have eyes and I am literate. I am able to read how you respond to others.
You're a cunt and you don't deserve the basic respect you deny others constantly. I will not sit here and debate my existence with you and I don't think anyone should take you seriously in any way. If you have such a problem with trans people, consider gouging your eyes out and piercing your eardrums with a pencil yourself so you no longer need to perceive us.
debate your existence is that what you think we are doing. you think very highly of yourself. i was talking about very specific shit like giving hormones and surgeries to kids not adults. i even said if you are an adult i don't give a fuck what you do as long as you don't make it my problem. kids is making it everybody's problem. if you want to make that into i hate trans people that is your problem not mine. making everybody you disagree with into demons is not going to ever help you. respect is earned not given. being trans is not a shield from criticism.