Why? I have a HP tattoo and don't regret it. The fandom has gone past the author at this point. She's a hateful removed but that doesn't mean that we can't still love the world and characters she created. We've made it our own.
You mean the world where slaves like to be slaves and trying to release them is wrong, apartheid is right because the other sentient people look different, the bankers are antisemitic stereotypes and the main character becomes a literal cop enforcing all this?
Have you seen the two hour video by Shaun on the books? I highly recommend it for a look back on the books and the issues that we couldn't have picked up on as kids but are pretty obvious on a reread.
They're not as great as we remember them to be (if I have to read the phrase "mannish hands" or another word about a 16 year old girls "square jawline" again I think I might vomit) and if the best parts of the world are the bits created in spite of the author, why continue to associate it with her work. Obviously, it's easier said than done when you're talking about an entire community, but there's plenty of other worlds created by nicer authors.
The best thing to come out of the series was the cast from the movies being as cool as they are today, but any time I think of the world, all I can think of is the token diversity characters named things like Shacklebolt and Cho Chang (almost, but not quite Ching Chong), the young Irish boy obsessed with whiskey and explosives, and the defense of slavery that's identical to arguments from actual slave owners in the US.
Plus, there's the whole thing with the hook-nosed bankers that totally aren't Jewish stereotypes. You know who created a fantasy race based on Jews that doesn't feel like an offensive stereotype? Tolkien. Tolkien's dwarves are based on Jewish stereotypes, but don't come off that way at all because of how they're presented in the world.
At my last job, the only who was in his 50s or older and was nice to the trans employee had HP tattoos. He saw JK being a terf (we taught him the word) as her (referring to Rowling) own problem to solve.
It's a great example of why you shouldn't get a tattoo of something that is intellectual property. It's way too easy for that shit to get associated with bigots/hatred/etc down the line.
Another example: I'd love to eventually get a Star Trek tattoo. I can see the suits at CBS eventually burning the IP to the ground, sure. But they probably wouldn't turn anything Star Trek related into a hate symbol. But what happens if it turns out that neo-nazis start using ferengi imagery to spread anti-semetic hate? You can't guarantee your favorite skin art keeps the ethical values or meaning over the entirety of your life.
I've seen quite a few people with the old Carlsberg logo tattooed on their bodies. Imagine being a beer lover only to discover people think you're a Nazi. /s
Edit response: yeah it is very weird. Imagine getting a tattoo of Hitler's (obvious exaggeration) paintings, and then have people come along to say they shouldn't feel bad because "the fandom has gone past the author".
I don't think the people with tattoos should feel responsible, or bad about themselves in any way, but I would look at them sideways if they then were saying actively that there's no part of them that's sad or disappointed about getting it.
I know several "ally" and one trans HP fan. They all just "separate the art of the artist" as cope. They're also a bunch of adult children and I don't really respect their opinions on media.
When you separate the art from the artist, you still have:
a slaveowner cop main character
an Asian named Ching Chong
slavery abolitionism as a joke
genetic superiority of certain characters (the bad guys were just wrong about which people are superior)
rampant fatphobia
Jewish goblin bankers
slaves who like being enslaved
slave heads decorated in Santa hats by the "good guys"
freeing slaves is bad because they become alcoholics
a black guy named MLK Shackles
a Jewish guy named Goldstein (I did not have to change this name to make the racism more clear)
none of the systemic issues that created the villain are ever addressed by the main characters beyond a surface level so nothing has actually been fixed, they've just delayed the takeover of society by fascists another generation or two
Neither should I tbh. Not that I turn into a racist or anything, I just end up sending random unfunny shit in old group chats and get in arguments with people online.
I don't know whether she is actually racist herself or not, but she is definitely willing to promote racists like Christopher Rufo and Matt Walsh so long as she sees them as being on her side regarding her hatred of trans people. On that basis I don't think it much matters what she actually believes, what's she doing is spreading racism
How long before we start hearing her spout that old canard about "well, as much as I disagree with Nazis, at least they're willing to speak honestly about the threat of <insert libelled minority group here>"? I believe this naziwashing manner of argumentation is called the Sam Harris Code-Injection Exploit.
Or my personal favourite: "Given how much society and the media have lied about trans people being human beings, I've now started to question everything else I've been told, such as the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines and the truth about the Holocaust".
I think Graham Linehan has actually said that about vaccines and climate change, that he now questions them because most of society doesn't agree with his vicious bigotry about trans people. JKR isn't far behind him.
Asian character with a nonsense name that sounds like Ching Chong
black character Kingsley Shacklebolt (MLK Shackles)
Jewish character named Goldstein
Jewish stereotype goblins
Irish character who's obsessed with whiskey and explosives.
she went on Pottermore and explained that Skinwalkers are actually just misunderstood wizards, and the native american muggles were wrong to oppress the skinwalkers
her designs of the international magic schools are ignorant nonsense
Christ, what a bunch of contrived bollocks. Who's the irish guy with the whiskey? Seamus? I don't even know if he mentions it once. And his spells blowing up is just the films.
Irish character who's obsessed with whiskey and explosives.
If you try to talk about Seamus, I don't remember him making explosions intentionally. Obsession requires intention. Same with Lockheart's explosion in second book.
I think what the person on Twitter wrote is in response to Rowling going off on a rant about cisgender female boxer, Imane Khelif (from Algeria), in the Olympics, and insisting that she's a man. Rowling's tweet here. There's an article here that outlines the response from the Olympics, and the other female boxer, Italian boxer Angela Carini, who lost to Imane Khelif.
Carini, however, said to reporters after the match: “I wish her to carry on until the end and that she can be happy … I am not here to judge or pass judgment. If an athlete is this way, and in that sense it’s not right or it is right, it’s not up to me to decide.”
And as that article also notes:
It’s also worth noting that it is illegal to be transgender in Algeria – so to peddle the information that the country would send a trans athlete to compete in the Olympics would frankly be laughable if it wasn’t so maddening.
And yet, at no point did she say or even infer "only white people can be women" nor bring race into the issue. The OP disagreeing with Rowling on transgender issues is absolutely fine, but to smear her by innuendo to associate her with also being racist is going too far.
It is also an example of the straw-man nonsense deployed by right wing extremists all the time; it's disturbing to see the same tactics being deployed by the left or centre on twitter and then more disturbing to see it being upvoted and even justified here.
I'd argue that TERF-ism, especially JKR's brand of it, has both classist and racist elements ingrained within it
The whole ideology is based around gatekeeping 'womanhood' to a single shared demographic experience, denying feminism to those outside of it
There are ways in which trans women have had differing experiences of femininity from cis women. But the same is true of black women of white women, etc
It might be explicitly anti-trans; but it's implicitly anti-in-group
If people could stop centering their entire lives around a mediocre piece of entertainment and letting themselves being spoonfed art in the form of capitalist "Franchises", maybe people like Rowling wouldnt get this much undeserved attention.
Yes. Decry the fact she has a platform. By commenting on a post about her... Thus amplifying her reach and her platform.
Or perhaps join the rest of us and call out her shitty views any time she is mentioned helping to ensure her platform is at least also used to amplify dissenting views.
Or just not comment if all you're trying to do is be super edgy or whatever.
It feels like people make loving or hating this literally a core part of their personality, and is a good model of the enshittification of the internet. The more one side pushes, the further the other side pushes back. A new species has emerged from the mingling of internet trolls and keyboard warriors. I'm going to call it the internet troglodyte. Constantly inflamatory and escalating conflict, the trog does not troll for the lulz, but they have such strong opinions they must share them everywhere every chance they have, often harming the cause they purport while turning online spaces into echo chambers.
Maybe I wasn't clear, I don't think calling out Rowling's shitty views is part of the problem. What I was trying to point at was that fandoms are just a means of marketing and people are too uncritical about how capitalism interferes with art. People are getting steered towards "investing" time and attention into something that isn't really worth it, and the author, unable to follow up the success because she really isn't that talented, instead clamps on the attention by putting out edgy political statements.
Are we sure JK is a terf? Is it possible it's actually Barty Crouch Jr., posting from her account? Has she been compulsively drinking from a flask in person?
It really feels like people hate on her way more than they should. Can someone explain to me where it's all coming from? I read some of her trans statements and honestly they weren't that bad. If feels too me like on a scale of 1 to 10, the hate should be at a 3, but it always seems to be at an 8 or 9. WTF?
Really? That's worth wishing she was dead? Who the fuck cares? Again, on a scale of 1-10, I think that rates a 2.
If you actually read her posts (the ones I read in 5 min of internet searching before I asked this question), her message is basically (paraphrasing) "I support trans people's rights to live as they want, but I value womanhood and take pride in my womanhood. As such, I want trans people to live as they want, but I want to keep the idea of womanhood separate because I value it as a space for women." I'm assuming she said something much worse somewhere else??? ... but that's really a fucking lame thing to base all this hate on. Really, there has to be something more, right? Right?
The main problem, as I see it, is not that her literal statements if made policy would be the most extreme in today's overton window. The problem is that she's made herself the face of transphobia by putting herself in the center of it. She's taken her preexisting fame and used it to push her (admittedly not extreme) transphobia. When people say "name a transphobe," they think of her -- and this was her clear intention.
Because she has fame and power, she probably does the most direct damage to trans people overall. More than Jordan Peterson, etc.
Actually, some people have argued that we live in a multi-gender society through racism. Black women are denied white femininity, and black men are denied white masculinity. Some feminists make the case that black woman and black man are nonbinary genders in the way they are assigned to people.
I like your comment. It's interesting to consider how the construction of gender varies not only across cultures (e.g. what is expected of womanhood in Canada versus in Japan today), but also across different cultures perception of each other.
In my country, women who are indigenous looking (physically speaking) are considered less elegant or classy than their white/whiter counterparts by these white/whiter people. These people see their femininity as not wide enough because a mix of classism and racism/colorism makes them believe that an indigenous-looking woman can only put a costume, an imitation of a high class woman, because they cannot really be one (as they think money comes only from European descent, and so being classy belongs to them) and that they don't fit those things due to their physical appearance anyways.
That's a widespread belief turned into an aesthetic perception. Show people who believe and now feel this way an indigenous woman in a gala attire and they'll feel something's wrong.
I wouldn't say this is a non-binary experience, though. I'd say this is the plurality of understandings about what is a woman and who is 'more woman' than who. It's not possible to establish what a woman is simply because it is an ever changing matter. Gender, in itself, is fluid. We expect different things from it at different times, often influenced by external factors (as seen in wars, for example). I wouldn't say this makes the people living these experiences non-binary, trans, etc. They're imposed a rule-set by their sex at birth, by their physical characteristics, just like everyone else. "You shouldn't behave this way", "you should not wear this", "do this instead", etc.
You can only say it's non-binary if you judge that the dominant ways are the standard. That is, that a woman of European descent with Western ways of life is the way women are, and that a deviation from that is non-binary. That's only true in countries like mine, like the U.S., like Argentina or the Philippines, and only for the white/whiter population. Thinking that everyone else is measuring against this standard is an ignorant and inflated vision of themselves. Sure, this standard is influential, but people have their own cultures and ideas of gender aside from possible cultural interference and influence from Western values. I'm sure an indigenous woman of my country finds the way she is criticized and scrutinized for wearing different clothes obnoxious, but that's not her whole experience as to say she lives non-binarily. She still has traditions, beliefs, and ideas of gender within her community in which she might be the epitome of womanhood. She's only living non-binarily according to white/whiter people. These people shouldn't be the ones from which names are given. It reminds me of the dichotomy of "white - POC". Why are people in the entire world categorized as "of European descent - any other" as if Europe should be the center and the defining criteria in human populations? While these divisions are common within groups ("Jews - gentiles", "Christians - heathens"), they shouldn't be used outside limited contexts and definitely not in science or any serious analysis. But that's Western egos, especially U.S.-American egos, I guess...
Even for those extreme cases, it's understandable to wish for that, but I'm not sure it's healthy for the one wishing. Speaking only of people who don't believe in the death penalty, and are breaking their moral code due to an extreme aversion, maybe it is healthy as it may be cathartic; maybe it is not as it may reinforce rumination, stressful feelings, etc. Maybe it is healthy as they can reach a slight feeling of justice or equilibrium again in the world; maybe it is not healthy because they'll feel they themselves committed a moral transgression pushed by the atrocities of these people. I don't know, maybe it's different from person to person.