The Verge shows how Google search is useless
The Verge shows how Google search is useless
After a full year of not thinking about printers, the best printer is still whatever random Brother laser printer that’s on sale.
The Verge published this spam article about the "best printers of 2024" to demonstrate how terrible Google's search results are. It now appears as the top non-sponsored post if you search "best printer" on Google.
I love a good, informative troll.
In my recent experience, it recommends shitty blogs loaded with adverts and keywords. Most annoyingly, it always recommends Fandom’s Wiki above better alternative wiki sites. My DuckDuckGo experience has surprisingly been more useful.
That aside, my Brother laser printer is still working great. No complaints.
My DuckDuckGo experience has surprisingly been more useful.
Yeah, right!? I remember that one or two years ago DDG was consistently worse than Google but recently Google's quality has dropped off a cliff. Now when I don't get the desired result in DDG and switch to Google, the results are usually just as bad or worse.
Yup. I constantly found myself appending !g for important queries that I needed an answer for right then and now. Google has stopped providing that commodity. It's almost never worth it anymore to fall back to Google.
My DDG searches have been absolute garbage for the past few months. About 75% of the time I have to re-search my keywords on Google to actually get a relevant result.
It's bad enough that I'm about to switch back to Google.
That's not been my experience. I've been using DDG for years, and when I first switched I would occasionally have to go find something on Google instead. That slowly fell off as the years went by because going to Google and getting better search results became rarer and rarer. It's to the point now where I don't even do it, unless I need to look at something on street view.
Unfortunately, this has also been my DuckDuckGo experience for several months. I wish it wasn’t
It depends on what your searching. For me programming questions are way better on google.
Also searching obvious questions like a country’s population, google still does its job there too.
I deleted their app and moved search engines, they got shit quick. So bad at their main usp. I was constantly fed hyper local results, local even with location off. And dont get me started on how bad it was for porn.
Most annoyingly, it always recommends Fandom’s Wiki above better alternative wiki sites.
use Indie Wiki Buddy extension to get rid of fandom.
https://getindie.wiki/Or ublacklist to block any site: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublacklist/
It has a partnership with bing. So sadly now it is mostly a bing clone. I have been using DDG for a decade. I noticed a distinct drop in search quality after the bing partnership.
If I'm looking up something general, like some actor or tv show, then DDG is perfect. If im troubleshooting some weird software issue then i find it doesnt always list as many results, as if it hasnt indexed as many sites.
DDG at least now means I can search random shit without it suddenly being inserted into my social media algorithms like some kind of psychological torture.
Oh my god the Fandom wiki for minecraft uses the same little tab icon as the actual minecraft wiki but it has a fucking "are you an adult or child" popup EVERY SINGLE TIME a page loads
I hate it so much
Use breezewiki extension. Redirects fandom articles to a frontend that removes their bullshit and replaces fandom with independant wikis when possible.
Immortal Tanks, those Brother printers. Best in the biz.
If you have any tips or tricks for DDG please do share! I'm definitely getting better overall results there, but the local ones can still be a bit rough.
I’m no expert but this should be useful: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/duckduckgo-search-tricks-student/
What do you mean by "local"? If you mean finding somewhere to go for lunch or the opening hours of a store, I recommend using the maps app on your phone (I prefer Apple Maps over Google, because it uses Yelp and TripAdvisor for reviews which are accurate than Google reviews... if I had an Android phone I'd probably install Yelp/TripAdvisor).
Unfortunately DDG has been dogshit in my native language. Shame
I found that Qwant gives decent results in my native non English language, results similar in quality to Google, but way better than DDG which often just gives English results.
What are better alternatives to fandom? I see the incumbents name get repeated more often than the alternative unfortunately.
The problem is that fandom tends to vacuum up and supersede the smaller wikis, and the SEO bullshit just makes it happen even faster. The answer to your question unfortunately is "it depends on the game/show/fandom".
wiki.gg is where most of the wikis have transferred to, terraria for example
Strange how Google became the default search engine back in the day because they were so good at filtering out the dumb websites that just spam search terms all over the page.
They've regressed and become Yahoo
Not sure if you read the recent article or not, but the guy responsible for this enshittification came from Yahoo, where he applied the same policies. So you're more literally correct than you may think
Destroying search engines as a career...
Except there isn't much of a Google stealing their thunder. Bing isn't better. DDG isn't better.
chatGPT and in apps integrated AI search is stealing it.
The demise of google search is by design. https://www.techspot.com/news/102765-who-prabhakar-raghavan-why-accused-killing-google-search.html TL;DR. Management noted that search revenue was not growing, so the head of google search Prabhakar Raghavan made it worse so you have to click more to get what you want. More clicks = more money = growth = happy investors = enshitification. Fuck you Prabhakar Raghavan.
Zitron, though, describes him as "a computer scientist class traitor who sided with the management consultancy sect."
Based
And by making the search engine worse and worse, they open the opportunity to bring AI chat as a "savior", and people will think it revolutionized internet search.
I really need to go through my old files and find The Screenshot from around 1999-2000. Basically, I searched for something in AltaVista and got back a page that was super chock full of ads and "portal crud". ...and a tiny little text that you really had to squint for, somewhere in the middle, that said there were no search results, actually. I got the strong impression that this search engine was fucked.
Sometimes Google's results are kind of starting to look like the same, except the crud is in the actual results. Which is something Google could do something about. I mean, they used to care about SEO spam.
There was an article about that recently. Apparently Marketing won the battle for control over Google Search. So it's no longer focused on quality of product.
Google has also gotten lazy. Their first dozen or so searches are either YouTube or Reddit results. (And that's only when they want to pretend they're a search engine).
From the article...
Don’t feel compelled to do it; my only ask is that you make this article go viral by sharing it in faux-outrage that the EIC of The Verge has published an article partially generated by AI, because after the buttons I am going to include a bunch of AI-generated copy from Google’s Gemini in order to pad this thing out.
I have to admit, it was an interesting read, not quite like anything I've ever read before, for a review.
I honestly can't tell if this is just some genius way of sliding in some AI generated content into a review and getting it to pass our review, or just an editor-in-chief really frustrated with Google's search algorithm paying attention to manipulation by others, so trying to really get their stuff out there for us to see.
Either way, it's definitely worth the read.
As far as Brother printers go, I own an all-in-one laser that's over a decade old, and it's still going strong. And it actually works with Linux to boot. I do hate though that they do some squirrely stuff to try to get you to buy a new toner cartridge early, but if you mask sensors and such, then an existing toner will work forever.
There are very few printers that don't work with Linux. Linux has drivers to interface with most of them through whatever means you like, right in the kernel.
That's one of the reasons my android phone (Linux kernel, remember) is better at finding and queuing up prints on a network printer than any windows machine I've ever used.
I just hit share on a document, choose print... And then it just works.
There are very few printers that don’t work with Linux.
I was speaking with the all-in-one types, that includes scanners and fax machines.
Most printer companies don't make their drivers work well with Linux (or at the very least used to not), and even Brother was in that same boat early on.
But as of late they're much better, so when you run a Brother installer for the drivers it just installs and works now, where in the past you had to worry about 32 bit versus 64 bit libraries in the OS and how they interact with the brother drivers, etc., etc.
they do some squirrely stuff to try to get you to buy a new toner cartridge early
My Brother is newer than yours (the cheapest one I could get that prints on both sides of the paper), and has a setting to toggle how it behaves when toner is low.
The default is to pause printing until you replace the toner - honestly that's not entirely wrong. Having the printer run out of toner half way through an important print job could be a disaster.
The alternative mode is to just show a "low toner" warning badge whenever you print a document. That's what I use, but I also check if it printed properly before closing the document which a lot of people don't do. It looks like this:
As far as I know it's just a simple counter - how many pages have you printed since it was replaced. Obviously that's never going to be particularly accurate.
Having the printer run out of toner half way through an important print job could be a disaster.
What, like the printer would explode or something similar kind of disaster?
Or the kind of where the printout doesn't come out well, and you put a new cartridge in, and then you reprint and it looks fine, type of disaster?
The guy who wrote it is the editor-in-chief.
The guy who wrote it is the editor-in-chief.
Yep. I mentioned that in my comment...
or just an editor-in-chief really frustrated
Could you elaborate on your point?
One of my housemates has a brother printer and I was testing some stuff out on LMDE and noticed it was available to print to. No searching for it or driver to be installed or anything. I don't actually need to print but that's pretty cool.
One of my housemates has a brother printer and I was testing some stuff out on LMDE and noticed it was available to print to. No searching for it or driver to be installed or anything. I don’t actually need to print but that’s pretty cool.
People keep missing that I'm talking about a all-in-one, and not just a simple printer-only.
I never had a problem with the printing part of the all-in-one printer, but the scanning and faxing stuff required the Brother driver support, and that wad not natively supported, or were supposed to be supported but it didn't work well, or at all. There were issues with 32-bit versus 62-bit libraries, etc.
Took years to get to a point where the brother drivers would just install and everything would work right. And not everything ever worked right from native Linux.
It worked, SEO really sucks.
Heck, I didn't even need "2024", just "best printer" worked.
Google used to list sites with backlinks highly, it was their first ever search algorithm iirc. Once people learned you could game that by planting useless backlinks, Google realised it was a bad idea.
Somehow, they've reinvented this all over again with parasite SEO that fundamentally works the same way. All they did was add some "domain ranking". Now, unreliable-but-popular sites coughredditcough will always score highly regardless of quality, because Google deemed them superior.
reddit is a very good search resource though because it has 15 years of real people giving real information. I imagine reddit from here on out will be going hard on the enshitification train so it's value as a search resource will rapidly decline.
Anything post-2022, and probably post-2020, is suspect on Reddit because it became abundantly clear how steerable it was and how easy to generate sales as long as you didn't do anything too "suspicious". Current 'ad guides' tell advertisers not to link things because just saying the name reads as more authentic.
Before that it was legitimately people discussing, e.g., the best flashlight for x-y-z purposes. But a decent amount of old stuff has been gutted by people deleting their posts/accounts.
Can confirm, it's still the top result under the sponsors. And it's an amusing read.
With the prevalence of reddit google was of the most useful tools I've seen in my 40 years on earth. Only to go to absolute shit in the last 2-3 years.
Best breadcrumb from article:
I wanted to understand: what kind of human spends their days exploiting our dumbest impulses for traffic and profit? Who the hell are these [SEO/Google] people making money off of everyone else’s misery?
I don't get ads in general. They don't work. I never bought something that got presented to me from an ad because I know ads are deliberately lying to me, so the product they show is the first product I don't consider purchasing.
Time to time i watch twitch from an iPad that I use only for that and an ad banner appeared of a weird but useful adapter for USBC. I clicked on it on purpose (first ad I clicked in a decade probably) the link wasn't working, dead link. I was speechless.
Missing the days of Consumer Reports. I think the velocity of new products is too high for them to be relevant for more than a few months once they release a report anymore.
I still sign up with them when I’m researching bigger, or long-lasting, purchases. Cars, washing machine, and that sort of thing. I’m always a little annoyed at the price, but the content is SO MUCH better than any other online review source that I’m always happy with my decision in the end. Reddit comments are probably second, but I’ve found those to be littered with what seem to me to be suspiciously positive reviews for items that are not significantly better than their competition. I feel like I need to dial up my critical nature to 10 to fight against the echo chamber and/or the covert advertising.
I get Consumer Reports free through my library. You may too!
I saw a website that was selling Reddit bot services to companies that want to review their products. They would just send a swarm of bad accounts in there and make nice comments. Even replying to their own comments.
After that I stopped trusting almost every Reddit review (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
*Edit: meant to say bot accounts but leaving it
Reddit posts could always be company astroturfing as well.
And Wirecutter used to be good but they will occasionally point out how highly rated something is, and cross checking against falespot et al indicates a lot of fake reviews.
This was actually a very funny read.
Also yes, Brother printers are the best because they actually work.
Sigh. So many things in the world are like this. It’s not a bad idea, in theory, to favor more recent pages in search results. Finding 4 year old information is often not what you want. But in practice, when everyone knows this bias exists, they just fiddle with their pages daily to try to fool the algorithm. It must be aggravating to be Google, because as smart as they are, the entire world is engaged in an unending and ruthless quest to game their results for personal gain.
Yup, and that's why we shouldn't have one dominant search engine, but a few that all do things differently. That way gaming the system is a lot more difficult. But I guess that's not the world we live in, because everyone wants to use "the best," which means "the best" will eventually degrade due to everyone gaming it.
The next good search engine will unironically be a Microsoft chatbot of some kind
Takes all of the AI processing power in the world to make Bing a good search engine
You mean current Bing co-pilot?
Bing has gotten so much worse in the last 5 years, it’s not even better than google anymore
Search results aside, why can I no longer copy the result from Bing’s calculator anymore
yes i also noticed google search is absolute trash lately. so i switched to searx and life is better. i only go to google for street view and reverse image search now.
Kagi is still working super well for me.
Searx instances always seem to be blocked by the engines they rely on though?
i havent seen bad results at least. i use one with a good rating/latency listed on searx.space
I host my own to avoid running into timeouts, fairly easy
For the record though, I used bing for the duration of 2023, sort of as an experiment to use the ai assistant.
Bing search is worse that Google by a long shot. I almost always gave up and used Google.
Honestly, I think almost everything else is worse than Google.
I set my default to duck duck go, and it's getting better, but I still fall back on google with some regularity
I see a lot of my friends actually use Bing through ChatGPT, and they seem to get better results than Google. That might be what Microsoft is actually optimizing Bing for
well, that was last year, right?
I wouldn't bet on Bing search results having gotten better since then, but I would bet on Google search results having gotten worse since then.The results of my experiment still seem to be true
Bing is even more heavily monetized and encrusted with garbage than Google is.
Omg I can't believe they used AI to write this article 😡
my only ask is that you make this article go viral by sharing it in faux-outrage that the EIC of The Verge has published an article partially generated by AI, because after the buttons I am going to include a bunch of AI-generated copy from Google’s Gemini in order to pad this thing out.
Y'all mfs didn't read the article lmao
People downvoting you without having read the article 😭
Give SearxNG a try. There are browser plugins available for it. I was using Librey but I'm finding SearxNG to be better.
Why?
Because google is a turd sandwich? When alternatives are out there, people need to use them. Everybody was using yahoo or infoseek, or in case of somewhat intelligent people, altavista back in 1999. Every now and then you'd hear someone say something about google, and lo and behold, it was way better than those search engines. Now google sucks. A replacement will eventually arise.
SearxNG, much like original SearX, pulls data from a variety of search engines, reducing their bias, and also has great filtering options, including filters for academic/IT/social/etc.
Aside from that, it is decentralized and private. Everyone can kickstart their own SearX server, though it might need some minimal juice to work quickly.
And yes, it can be integrated to search from URL bar much like any other search engine. Some instances offer addons that set their one to default, tho you don't have to install anything, just add your preferred instance to the list of search engines, Firefox will prompt you on that, for example.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
It’s been over a year since I last told you to just buy a Brother laser printer, and that article has fallen down the list of Google search results because I haven’t spent my time loading it up with fake updates every so often to gain the attention of the Google search robot.
Pointing out that incentive structure and the culture that’s developed around it seems to make a lot of people mad, which is also interesting!
Both of them have reliably printed return labels and random forms and pictures for my kid to color for years now, and I have never purchased replacement toner for either one.
Neither has fallen off the WiFi or insisted I sign up for an ink-related hostage situation or required me to consider the ongoing schemes of HP executives who seem determined to make people hate a legendary brand with straightforward cash grabs and weird DRM ideas.
Don’t feel compelled to do it; my only ask is that you make this article go viral by sharing it in faux-outrage that the EIC of The Verge has published an article partially generated by AI, because after the buttons I am going to include a bunch of AI-generated copy from Google’s Gemini in order to pad this thing out.
Brother laser printers are strong contenders, especially for black and white printing needs, but weigh the pros and cons against other options like inkjets before deciding.
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Ok, this summary won't be useful in this article 😂
I don't think Google can be blamed too much for presenting an article from a relevant, generally trustworthy site, that has the search query as the article title.
Kagi
Paying for search aligns incentives better than free search.
It's also the best results from a search engine I've had in a decade.
Theoretically, sure, but I'm not paying what they're asking. $10/month for unlimited searches is ridiculous, and $5 is still unpalatable even if it was unlimited (which it's not).
I'd pay if it was something like $1-2/month for 500+ searches.
Do any of us still use Google in this way though?
Sure maybe nanna still talks to google like an Oracle... "oh Google what is the best printer of 2024"
Yeah...have you ever had to buy new appliances? I just got a house, half my searches were for appliances, fittings and reviews and the results all sucked.