"Why I'm no longer a White Nationalist." Neoreactionary blogger goes to live in Red America just like he always dreamed. What followed will shock you!
"Why I'm no longer a White Nationalist." Neoreactionary blogger goes to live in Red America just like he always dreamed. What followed will shock you!
"Walt Bismarck," a neoreactionary/alt-right blogger, decided to live by his beliefs and move from the liberal hellhole of Arizona to the midwest:
In 2018 I moved from a racially diverse swing state in the Sun Belt to a homogenous red state up in corn country. This decision was largely motivated by politics—I was looking to retreat to an imagined hyperborea free of crime and degeneracy where my volk had political autonomy.
The particular delight here is the section "Reason #3 - White people are no longer my most important ingroup".
It turns out they don't like him, they don't like his ideas, and the white womenfolk don't take to him. The frauleins prefer "stoic chudbots with rough hands and smooth brains" over his noble mind and physique.
In practice a society that encourages late marriage is actually much better for more bookish eccentric guys, who tend to be late bloomers in developing their masculinity and ability to seduce women.
(meaning: he came on weird at one of the nice church girls he was ogling to the point where one of her large guy friends suggested he take his leave.)
Our guy comes so close to introspection, but successfully evades it and reaches the root cause - these are the wrong kind of white people:
But these Midwesterners aren’t descended from entrepreneurial adventurers like the rest of us. Their forebears were conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics who fled Bismarck’s kulturkampf to acquire cheap land under the Homestead Act. These people mostly settled areas where aggro Scotch Irish types had driven off the Injun decades ago, so they never had to embrace the risk-tolerant, enterprising, itinerant mindset that had once fueled Manifest Destiny. Instead they produced families that became weirdly attached to their generic little plot of fungible prairie dirt, and as a result we now have huge pockets of the country full of overcivilized and effete Teutons with no conquering spirit who treat outsiders like shit.
There is no shortage of genuine and active neo-Nazis out Iowa way. But they would have met Wordy NRx Boy here and flushed his head.
In the comments section, other racists call him out on his insufficient devotion to the cause of white nationalism.
Even our good friends at The Motte took the piss out of him.
The illustrations are, of course, AI-generated.
original post. Found on Bluesky by ratelimitexceeder.
This was worse than I imagined from the quotes. I feel like I need to take a shower, now.
[...] which would severely limit the Federal Reserve’s ability to control the economy while exporting inflation abroad, and likely bring our material standard of living down to a German or Dutch level
According to this Quality of Life index which I just searched up and have not critically assessed, but I doubt the guy did that either for his claims, so I guess it's fine, the Netherlands rank second and Germany ranks 12th, while the US is on the 15th place. In other words: what is he even talking about?
Every day in this country more and more Hispanics marry corn-fed blonde midwesterners and produce pale Castizo children who only speak English, consider themselves basically White, and vote like Irish and Italians.
Jesus fucking Christ, I can't even come up with a funny sneer here because this reads like he just pulled it out of the 1940s Nazi Party's bag of race laws for who's allowed to marry whom, and it's making me feel icky.
I also subscribe to the old fascist idea that adversity gives life meaning. A comfortable and easy life without struggle or conflict is miserable, and just makes you a slave to the hedonic treadmill. When you live for pleasure, no pleasure is ever enough, and continued success will just leave you so pampered that any task that’s challenging or outside your comfort zone will begin to feel onerous.
Ignoring the low-hanging fruit that this guy just flat-out said "well, fascism wasn't all bad", what kind of toxic consumer mentality is ingrained in these chucklefucks that they are seemingly unable so sit their sorry asses down on the couch and just say, yeah, I'm happy right now, to the point where they just postulate that other people must feel the same way, because they just can't imagine anyone being different?
Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.
always love* it when these guys get so race scientist they start on different groups of white people
This is fundamentally a part of any kind of race science or racism.
This is also what it means when the antiracists say race is a social construct.
You can't actually define any of these races rigorously in the first place. It's a subjective assessment. The racists define race backwards from tribe in order to categorize the people they hate as physically different to justify their hate
@dgerard Whiteness is a movable feast. (Ask anyone who's Jewish, or LGBT+, or Italian/Irish in the USA in the 19th century or Hispanic in the USA before/after the 1970s).
Dude, showering is exactly what I feel like now. I clicked the post to be nice and read, but only got a couple paragraphs before I just skimmed and picked out the "JFC" bits.
Then the first comment on the blog mentions how sad it is that you lose your "genetic whiteness" in 9 generations and just..goddamn...why is this an issue? Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of "keeping it white."
I try to be empathetic where possible, but fuck these people and their entire worldview.
At least he's old school racist enough to be racist towards Irish and Italians.
Most people have forgotten, or were never educated on, how oppressed those groups used to be.
When you're white, but not the right kind.
Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.
For real. I don't even necessarily disagree with the broad-strokes idea of "if you're comfortable, it's good to take on challenges and get outside of your comfort zone because that's how you grow as a person," but why can't he just apply this energy to writing a terrible novel or learning to paint watercolors or something, like a normal person? Why does the fact his life is comfortable mean he has to become a Nazi? :/
In a nutshell, he ended up hating many Germans, white and almost white Hispanics, Irish, Italians, who else...? Pickiest white supremacist I've read in a while.
He’ll be judging standard of living by raw GDP/PPP per capita, where the US does indeed notoriously outperform everybody by an absurd margin. This does the rounds even on the “serious” econ net every few months, and it’s always the same paper thin sophistic ideas going back and forth arguing whether it’s telling you something meaningful about euro vs us living. In any case a good portion of self-assessed intellectual types have been drowning in that debate for about two decades (or more) so it’s always easy to spot lurking in the background: it’s a shibboleth for people who’ve self-educated on development by reading blogs.
Ah, the idea that merely living in the same country as some rich people means that you yourself are rich.
Seems like he gets his pleasure from 'conflict', ie being a troll, and is upset that all the other white boys aren't just like him. Maybe he finds being content too onerous. Tie him to a couch and force him to listen to a polite discussion, call it a challenge.
I will gladly take the bullet and live on the hedonic treadmill. Seriously how spoiled is someone who is living without struggle or conflict. Granted it could be worse but there are always challenges in life.
Yeah, the joke is that he just assumes living a comfortable life without struggle equals falling down the consoomer rabbit hole and blowing your dopamine stores on watching porn the whole day or something, and not that you could use it for any number of fulfilling activities.
I'd take the boring, comfy life any time, and when I want something challenging to do, I pick learning to play the violin over going out and starting a race war, thank you very much.
Dutch level
Yeah The Netherlands sucks a lot of if you only listen to the racist right. (A similar thing would happen if you were to listen to the poor Dutch minorities/disabled people/immigrants etc and took that as the whole of the Dutch experience (which is to say we still have room for improvement, and some people have it a lot better than others)).
“I moved to a place to be surrounded by white people, and decided I didn’t like white people because those white people weren’t hostile enough nor did they have enough of a desire to conquer other people. This made me realize white people are weak, so now I’m disappointed in them. But actually it’s because the white people in that area came from inferior nations 🤡.”
That’s the premise of the article to save you from having to read absolute horse shit. That guy is a waste of atoms.
I would summarize as, "I learned that just being born white doesn't make you superior to others..." yes yes yes yes "...because there are white people who suck, too." Oh no.
It's like asking someone what "4+4" is and then they write out this long algorithm inexplicably including division and multiplication and some functions for some reason, and at the end they come up with 9. It took you so long to get so close, but in the end you still completely fucked it up.
Basically he's like the dudes who left Twitter for Gab or Truth Social and found it boring because there weren't any libs to own.
At first I wondered why a post about a man disavowing white supremacy wasn't NSFW; but it's because he didn't get any better? He's not a white supremacist because white supremacy is too inclusive and not racist enough against the shittier whites? He concluded that an ENTIRE GEOGRAPHICAL REGION was genetic backwash before he considered self-reflection?
It is completely insane what the substack/X combo is doing to young men. It's like CTE but concentrated entirely on the part of your brain that lets you tolerate other races.
Well yeah, because he’s the sort of person who becomes a white supremacist. They’re not smart people, they’re miserable people looking for something to blame for their own failures. So yeah of course he decided to blame midwesterners for being the catholic Germans instead of the Protestant Germans
Also this comment from the motte is definitely ethnonationalist, no?
Agreed, though, that a lot of white Americans are kind of like hobbits, in their lack of antibodies against general blank slatism, outgroup preferences, and progressive American culture. They might make a stink face at the young white male cosmopolitan who arrives in town for an extended study abroad program, but will root for outsiders and people that hate them when it comes to college football/basketball, the NFL, the NBA. Quokka would be the rationalist sphere term of art, here. “Cucks” might even apply. Relatedly, this has been touched upon in the Norf FC series of memes with regard to whites on the other side of the pond.
It's the Motte special. Comments that are structurally culture critiques, but functionally a Turner Diaries summary.
I made it embarrassingly far into this article, but it was "five figure wagecuck hell" that for some reason made me stop and think, why am I still reading this garbage?
Welcome to the abyss! Here's your hazmat suit with a leak! It sucks here!
Identical experience. Goddamnit kid just get drunk and write a bad poem
I made it a lot farther before I just couldn't anymore. I was kinda hoping for some kind of real self-reflection or ability to further understand the mindset of people like him but it's just the same "sigma grindset" bullshit they always spout.
TL;DR: "I'm no longer a white nationalist because a lot of white people are cucked. Now my new identity is with sufficiently pilled white people. This is much more pragmatic. Also I would totally have a cool black friend if any actually existed which means I'm totally not racist."
Also: did anyone else feel a chill reading about a literal nazi talking about how society accepts him now? America used to despise nazis and now they feel like they can walk around openly. It's terrifying.
I reacted to that too, "no need to be an overt WN now that society accepts us!" but I think that's partly bravado.
For example, he loves Twitter now but Elon still hasn't given his account back...
Yes, that stuck with me very much. It's one thing to hear fellow leftists talk about how Trump shifted the Overton window. It's a whole different thing to hear that a Nazi fully feels the effects of it having truly shifted.
This reminds me of a report from the Nazi ambassador to Iceland sometime in the late 1930s. He was posted there, expecting to find a model Aryan utopia, as could only be inevitable from a population of pure Nordic blood, but was bitterly disappointed to find a provincial backwater whose people were happy to stay put and get on with their lives. The schadenfreude was palpable.
More recently there was a family from Canada who moved to Russia because Canada was too "woke" only to find that Russia wasn't the woke free paradise they expected.
According to Wonkette, they're now in danger of deportation because they don't know any Russian, and don't seem interested in learning it
https://www.wonkette.com/p/canadian-idiots-who-fled-to-russia
An undertone in Dutch weird right wing twitter is a desire to move to Russia/(sometimes Viktor Orbáns Hungary) because at least there they still have freedoms and rights. And they accuse the left of living in a filter bubble.
I bet they started blaming Russia's communist past for all its current "wokeness"
I just read an account of the Nazi occupation of Norway in WW2 and it was a bit like that. The local Nazis (the OG Quisling!) were widely hated, there was passive resistance at every turn, and very few Norwegians were interested in some sort of "racial bond" with Germany.
Dude writes with the type of unnecessarily wordy rhetoric that it makes me think he uses a thesaurus and chooses the biggest word he sees for a replacement.
the neoreactionary bloggers from the early 2010s, every one of the fuckers writes like this - they all fucking love Mencius Moldbug and think that's the model of the best possible writing
I would dare wager that he utilizes a tome of the variety known as "thesaurus" likewise as you just have
That and the way he acts like he's totally objective and pragmatic, definitely not scared to death of PoC.
Low testosterone German Catholics
hahahaha
These idiots will never get the message that scientific racism is dog shit. They can't stop obsessing over weird irrelevant shit
Catholics, well known for their low fertility
Every sperm is sacred.
Is it my original ideas that are wrong? No I have just discovered a new degenerate race of humans.
I love the criticizing the Midwest for bland conformity. Like that’s more our thing than being disturbingly monoracial. Next he’s gonna bitch about the goths at Walmart and the refusal to spend money on luxury goods. That’s just what the Midwest is like
I saw @gerikson's comments after seeing this one and had to click on the tiny thumbnail of his profile pic to make sure it wasn't this exact Squidward face.
Lol he needs to get the fuck out of here
Sincerely, A far left Midwestern queer lady who grew up German Catholic
"During the early 2010s White Americans were under serious attack as a collective in a way that warranted an organized response."
White American here and I can unequivocally state that this was not true then and it's not true now.
I had to really think hard about what happened in 2010 for him to allege such a thing and for the life of me I couldn't think of anything until I realized that we elected a black president in 2008, so perhaps I just didn't watch enough conservative media which presumably was giving it's users a constant barrage of your "under attack" fud.
You have to remember that this guy was 12 at the time
You guys notice how he capitalizes "white" but not "black" even when they're used in the same sentence? A pathetic little weirdo to the last little detail.
he's clearly still convinced that if you could just purge the degenerates you'd get a utopia. but his post is a nice illustration of how if that actually happens they'll just keep inventing new ways to classify people as degenerate. fascists need, at all times, a face to stamp on
It is a fantastic example that their racist delusions are all made up. Whiteness is whatever they feel like in the moment. "These Chads and Staceys are a genetically inferior low-T line of white, I am the real lineage."
the virgin chad vs the chad virgin
It's impossible to stop returning to that steaming pile of dogshit post and find something new to sneer at:
As Delicious Tacos aptly put it, a Far Left phase is treated like a woman eating pussy in college, while a Far Right phase is treated like a man sucking cock.
SO? WHATS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU WASTE OF SPACE?
If I could talk to him I might say - I mean, if you are out of your Far Right phase (and it was really just a phase) maybe the idea of a man sucking cock shouldn't be your go-to example of a thing you imply can never be forgiven.
But that's none of my business, I'm just a puppet depicting a frog drinking tea.
So much to unpack. What the fuck is "Far Left"? How do you treat women eating pussy? Differently in college than after college? Why?
I completely agree with framing all Alt Righters as cocksuckers, but I'm not sure that's what was meant here.
You're lucky that you don't know all the fucked stereotypes going into this. If you really wanna know, I'm pretty sure it's:
- parts of mainstream society is only homophobic against gay behavior in men
- gay behavior in women instead “doesn't count”, or “isn't serious”
- therefore people thinking like this will accept a women “coming out of a lesbian phase” whereas they look down upon men who didn't behave 100% heterosexual
Post reads like he tried the penis implants mentioned in the stubsack and now has regrets
In this article I’ll be making a distinction between what I call Hard WN and Soft WN.
In this article I will mostly be describing why I left Soft WN.
oh dawg
I didn't previously know I needed this in my life but "mentioned in the stubsack" needs to become a household phrase
Truly a gift that shall keep on giving
Cheezus! That's like a lot of discussion and commentary about a random fascist chud, over at the Motte, innit?
Yeah dude i was looking for schadenfruede but all i got was a masturbatory tirade about how this guy isn't calling himself a white nationalist anymore because republicans are basically racist enough for him now and don't have the skinheaded baggage of his former friends. I honestly hope he dies on the toilet.
I do hope everybody here is aware of the deeper TheMotte lore, and what kind of place it is.
E: also themotte mentions the 'alt light' (not by name) but I heard a rumor that apparently a lot of these yt alt light people were paid by shady people to make rightwing content. The YT'er (sorry if you know any of those) chrisraygun apparently revealed it, but I have not looked into it at all.
conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics [...] overcivilized and effete Teutons
Kind of off topic, but this piece of wall to wall insanity reminded me how Steven Pinker tried to explain away southern US crime rates that didn't fit with his Violence Is Declining And In Fact Everything's Improving Inexorably (As Long As You Don't Rock The Boat) thesis by randomly blaming irish-catholic sheepherder genealogy.
Scotch-Irish Presbyterian cattle ranchers, IIRC.
Now hold on, I don’t want to say he’s WHOLLY wrong about my people
Damn scots ruining everything again!
White nationalists learning about the actual history of European immigration to the US and which groups came in at which times is some of the funniest shit overall. "It's... it's all bullshit? They just kept changing what whiteness meant every year? They still do? :O" Also, props for moving to the Midwest without needing to save money
Walt Bismarck was a dude who got big making racist Disney song parodies.
I'm always very nonplussed about what claims to pass for thought in white nationalist crowds.
The stopped-clock moment in this whole is definitely where he dimly grasps that Republican audiences are way more openly positive to white nationalism than they were.
and feel there are a number of nonracial issues that have since become much more important than the things WNs fixate on
like staying out of jail? and making profit off loons? at least, I'm guessing those are the priorities
So I've never heard of (or maybe I've forgotten about) The Motte. It seems to claim to be a sort of "rational discussion is welcome no matter your viewpoint" kind of place, but IME places that go out of their way to tell you that in THIS many words, are actually "we welcome right-wing views under the guise of welcoming everyone's views, but really we would like some right wing views to be posted."
What is this place?
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
The weekly Culture War threads host the most controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy; if in doubt, post!
They've got a long list of rules in the sidebar, none of which seem to be "bigotry not welcome."
My question - am I getting the wrong idea because I just read that one thread (which seems mostly right wing folks) or is it indeed yet another "We claim to be for everyone as our cover, but we're really for the right" kind of a place?
In addition to what David said the motto is also a spinoff of Slatestarscodex reddit, where they had a 'culture war' thread which was a containment thread for the culture war topics (which is a bad idea, containment threads cause spillover in the rest of the community (see for example discords with 'everything goes' meme channels or the ur example /pol/), which was spin off from the subreddit because it was getting so bad. Scott (slatestarcodex) played the game of cryptoneoreactionary 'sorry you feel that way' disavowal of the thread but still vague endorsed themotte.
I'm still annoyed I didn't take screenshots of the replies on themotte trying to recruit people into blood and soil (a neo-nazi term if you are not up to that terminology) homesteading community. I still wonder if they deleted their own reply, themotte mods did it (doubtful as they seem to be very into also leaving mod messages for transparancy) or if it was the reddit admins.
Anyway, the place sucks, and basically anything vile goes there if you use enough words, references, and are vague enough about it. (So don't say 'I want to kill people who cheat' you write a 4000k word post on your ideal society which includes references to capital punishment for cuckolds).
Whenever I find something like this from an author I haven't heard of before, I try to look them up to make sure I'm not being ragebaited by an imaginary person for the sake of ad revenue(although being hosted archive.org makes that mostly moot). Holyshit, this guy use to make Alt-right disney parodies and was proud enough to upload them. OneyPlays rips into the guy here. This guy is a perfect parody of alt-right smooth brainlessness. No wonder he thinks stereotypes are real. He's a living one.
... Jesus Christ.
So this guy had to regress back to before non-english types got their white card, got it 😂
Gross. White nationalists should be called what they are, bigots made of dog excrement. Their ancestors would not just be totally ashamed of them, but would actively disown them in every possible way. They are not what represents America and it's ideals, but the exact opposite; they represent horror, hate, subtraction, and misery.
I think the reason they behave like they do is because their own personal lives are so miserable. It's no surprise they have bad relationships and can't get along with reasonable people.
Anyway I wish there was a separate, walled-off island where they could all go and shoot at each other indiscriminately and hang each other from trees over stupid minor differences. If that's what they want, the live in utter hell, then that's exactly what they so richly deserve to have.
If you don't think white supremacy and nationalism represents American ideals I've got a reality check for you. It absolutely does and there has never been a time when that wasn't true. "Our" country was built on horror, hate, subtraction, and misery.
Maybe I should have said, white supremacy and nationalist don't represent what the dream of America is SUPPOSED to be about. I'm not naive, I'm well aware that unfortunately those things do represent a hell of lot of what's happened here.
All too true that our country was built on a history of violence, displacement, and mistreatment of others, and that's something we need to not erase or forget about, but keep reminding ourselves of so we don't repeat the horrors of the past.
I do agree with you on all the points you're making.
your heart's in the right place
Thanks - my heart's in the right place, I just have to get the rest of me there somehow. Sorry for going off, but it was something I felt needed saying.
I love it there's a comment attacking him for not wanting to preserve the white race. "The fuck's the matter with you?
I can understand if you're a mestizo groyper who just wants to do what's right and to live in a generically-good society, but if you're a white man of competence, you have a duty to do what you can ensure the long-term survival of your heritage.
Of children born to at least one white parent, only 80% are racially pure"
The follow-up destroyed me
How many kids have you fathered for the cause, Charles?
The
neo-nazisgroypersreactionariesCaucasian enjoyers have reached peak levels of eating each other
What??? Are you telling me a land populated by Polacks, Finns, Czecks, and others who fled European imperialism with a cultural tendency for understatement might have a negative view towards arrogant imperialists?