From an outsider perspective, the Dems may be hopeless neoliberals, but isn't it more:
R: hehe sure we will hehehe
D: here's a set of policies that should improve things
Voters: too complicated, just say yes.
The Dems proposals are crumbs on what we should have. Universal health and education for example, never make it out of the primaries. Very few Democrats, really the ones that are Democrats so they don't have to start a Social Democrat party, espouse that stuff. The rest of the party thinks a minimum wage increase will be enough and they can't even get that done.
In reality we need real cost of living counterweights. Government run grocery stores and basic retail. Private businesses literally told everyone that abnormal inflation after the pandemic was just them price gouging. And we're supposed to take a single policy that would have been good in 2005 as proof Democrats "get it"?
Fuck no.
Well said. I think they get that things have gone too far, but just don’t care / don’t know how to make it better at this point. And Dems definitely aren’t interested in listening to good ideas from the left, so…here we are.
Here's what happens. Dems make a law proposal, but know that in order to get bipartisan support from the Rs, they'll need to make some concessions, so they already soften the language from the start. Rs still find flaws in it, so the Dems add more and more water to the wine. But then when it comes to voting the Rs will still vote "No", because their whole platform is based on no progress for regular people. They also need people to think that democrats are useless for them. So they flood the airwaves right after their no-vote shouting "why has nothing been done yet?" Dems can then say: "but you just voted no", and the Rs will just say "because the proposal was bad" knowing that their base will not do any more investigation, nor will most of the media. The Rs have mastered the "never play defense" strategy.
Well fucking said. The Democrats need to BE fucking Democrats.
Free public housing. Rent is crushing us. The for profit home/apartment building corporations have failed at their job. Even if you are most gracious and say they are held back by red tape, guess who can cut through it?
This is a housing crisis. At least in the judge dredd universe they had the mega cities....
It's more like the Republicans promise the moon even if they intend to shove the sun up your ass, while the Dems only promise what they think that they can accomplish, and often even that gets trampled by Republicans willing to break the government just to keep the Dems from doing anything.
The last time we had a Democrat who made big promises and ran on a campaign of hope and progress, we had the largest voter turnout ever recorded in the history of the country at that time. And then an even larger turnout for his second election. Cut to 2020, and we elected the VP of that guy largely on his relation to that former President and because he wasn't the other guy, and in this past election we saw several million less voters than 2020 with notable drops in support in swing states amongst Democrats and unaffiliated voters after right wing politicians voiced their support for Kamala.
There's also the issue to be had with the bias of media in the country and how that affects public perception. I still remember in 2016 when the news channels aired video of Trump's empty podium for an hour instead of Bernie Sanders' speech.
The time before that when we had a Democrat who made big promises and ran on a campaign of hope and progress he got re-elected three times and they had to make an amendment to stop it from happening again.
We can't DOOOOOO anything because they're meaner and stronger than we are! Even when they're in the minority!
and in this past election we saw several million less voters than 2020 with notable drops in support in swing states amongst Democrats and unaffiliated voters after right wing politicians voiced their support for Kamala.
to be clear, this was most likely a fluke of the post covid times, this was a global phenomenon. Had covid not happened, there is a very high likelihood that kamala would've won.
Not really, it’s more like Dems give 5-10% of what they promise, and everything else is robbing from the working class to further cement the established power structure. That 5-10% is normally supposed to keep a lid on open revolt, but at a time when housing prices have doubled and food costs have tripled, that’s just not enough anymore.
Yea pretty much, Rs will line their pockets in the cruelest way possible through hate and fear and won't even bother with breadcrumbs
Ds will line their pockets, but try to make sound policies and make gradual improvements that balances corporate interests with the peoples interest.
The sound policies are "too complicated" for the average voter and the whole "gradual improvements balanced against corporations interests" piss off those on the further left (Hence the whole bLuEmAGa bullshit)
There's no balancing. It's the people's interests if a corporation isn't inconvenienced.
That's correct. This is a rather old post when Dems had power but kept getting cock blocked in Senate Trump mostly won because he said yes and stupid people ate it up, so you version is much more apt for today.
I've noticed this a couple of times: Any time the top handful of comments under some given post doesn't create the consensus reality "Dems are doing everything bad on purpose, don't vote, Democrats are your enemy," there's a notable little flood of comments to try to create that consensus reality. You can see quite a lot of them in these comments. I predict that there will be a continued push of vigorous participation until that reality is created in the comments, maybe by a newer comment with fewer upvotes but with the desired anti-Democrat messaging taking over the top spot as this one ages out, and then a bunch of blander replies to that top-spot comment to push everything else lower down. And then, once that's established, the little flood of activity that created 10 comments with the "right" message in the last hour will subside, and the comments will become a trickle again, with that persistent reality created in the top few comments, and this one buried down below.
The OP comment has a point. That's why it got a bunch of upvotes.
This comment also has a point. That's why it also got a bunch of upvotes.
That's an exchange of views. It is healthy. The little floods of comments with the "right" messaging which tend to continue until they take over the consensus reality are less healthy, in my opinion.
No. My point is you should vote. You should be primarying every corporate Democrat. You should also be working on a third party for the next few years.
Corporate Democrats don't want people to vote. Pelosi doesn't care about you or me, she gets richer off her insider trading and the GOP policies or Dem policies. All they want is to get re-elected. Until that is threatened all we're ever going to get from them is fake concern on talk shows.
Biden did more to help the working class than any president in my lifetime. People are too stupid or don't pay enough attention to realize it.
This is true, but only because every President since FDR did damage to the working class. Biden was absolutely a breath of fresh air, and it's unfortunate that neither he nor Kamala were loud enough about it.
With the campaign Kamala ran, it would surprise the hell out of me if most voters understood the good that Biden did. To average people, it makes no difference to them that inflation is back to normal when the price impacts don't go away. It was campaign malpractice to try and sit on past accomplishments without offering new initiatives to make things better.
What Kamala offered was too little, too complicated, and too quiet. All voters heard was that she would be the same as Biden, and that CEOs and neocon warmongers love her.
To average people, it makes no difference to them that inflation is back to normal when the price impacts don't go away.
The price impacts were never going to go away! It infuriates me that people were dumb enough to believe this! It's not how economics works and it's not something the government can control!!!
People are too stupid or don’t pay enough attention
Biden ended a bunch of CARES Act provisions that benefited working families and children. Medicaid enrollment was cut. The monthly paid out child tax cut extension was ended. Mandated Paid Sick Leave ended.
That's what people were stupidly noticing.
Meanwhile, greedflation jacked up the prices of consumer goods straight into 2023. Biden Dems were angry when people refused to stop paying attention to prices that outpaced salaries, while the Feds twiddled their thumbs.
Medicaid enrollment was cut.
By Congress, not Biden, though the Consolidated Appropriations Act as a demand by Republicans.
The monthly paid out child tax cut extension was ended.
Again Republicans voted against the reauthorization because they didn't want to hand Democrats a "win".
Mandated Paid Sick Leave ended.
This was only ever intended to be temporary as it only applies when there was federal or state quarantine in effect. Democrats in the House introduced the Healthy Families Act which would guarantee all workers 7 sick days a year. The act was filibustered by Republicans in the Senate.
Democrats are not the problem here.
It's true that inflation outpaced wages, but this was only for a period following Covid. And while everyone pointed out when inflation pulled away, no one seemed to notice when wages bounced back.
Tens of millions of deaths globally will inevitably cause supply chain issues, and no amount of fiscal policy will prevent that scarcity. So people have to pay more for the same value. But things also recovered under Biden to more than compensate for that deficit. Here's the growth rate of inflation and wages over the past four years:
It's hilarious that you replied to a comment about people "being stupid or not paying enough attenrion" and showed everyone you are one of those people.
The Legislative branch was responsible for the criticism you aimed at Biden, and guess what? Republicans controlled the House, and in the Senate, there are 49 Republicans, 47 Democrats, and 4 Independents.
Which means the Democrats had no legislative power at all in the House, and no meaningful power in the Senate.
Do you even know who introduced the CARES Act? Joe Courtney, a Democrat.
Biden? Are you sure it wasn't the fuckwit Republicans in Congress? You might want to check your sources.
biden is extremely popular among blue collar workers, he really has done a lot. As well as a number of things for veterans as well.
And this is why we lost. People are screaming for help, and Democrats just said "you're wrong, everything is actually fine. It's all in your head. Biden actually did help you! You were just too uninformed to notice it."
Absolutely fucking right.
"Your doctor won't be able to offer you prenatal care or freeze your eggs for fertility treatment!
"I can't afford rent or eggs and you think I have a DOCTOR? You think I can afford to even think about having a kid?"
"Look at the stock market though!"
You're not wrong but their messaging was shit and Kamala did not run on Biden's wins. She ran on his losses.
Also most progressive US president is a really low bar lol.
We're still drowning, but at least he tossed us some water wings.
It's complicated. Tl;dr: they're both true.
What has he done for the working class?
the IRA includes long term tax benefits for basically everybody, most impact-fully, people in the lower income brackets. Both the CHIPS act and infra bill have provided for a lot of jobs. He didn't kill oil, like trump seems to pretend happened. Im sure there are a number of other things i'm missing as well. Biden was an absolute legislation machine.
Notably, the economy is doing very well right now. Granted the perception tends to lag, that's natural.
Biden did more to help the working class...
What's he doing right now?
Hiding under the desk?
That desk is carrying America, sir, show more respect
I blame bernie for the good stuff myself.
in my lifetime.
So we can safely assume you're at least 8 years old since Obama obviously did less somehow despite literally being more leftist and having an entire social health program named after him.
Nope. He can do whatever and inflation erases all that and then some.
Take your statistics home and use them to line your hamster cage.
Biden’s labor report card: Historian gives ‘Union Joe’ a higher grade than any president since FDR
Republicans: Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, kill all social programs, raise taxes on the 99%, kill public infrastructure, and lastly go fuck yourself (Republican voter base proceeds to cheer)
Democrats: Uhhhhh.... Tax cuts for small buisnesses anyone? Oh wait the republicans are calling us communist for doing that. Well if we just compromise with them and allow sooome fascism we'll be able to get some of our agenda across as well. (Leftists proceed to boo the Dems for being Fascism Lite™)
can i get an example of the "some" fascism?
Examples of Fascism:
- Funding "Israel"s genocidal "war"
- Funding dictators (ex: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc)
- Tax breaks for the wealthy in exchange for favors
- Compromising on the civil liberties of minorities
- Allowing states to establish Fascism
- Normalizing Fascist positions (ex: border, security, defense, etc)
- Actively fighting actural Leftists because they make the capitalist class feel uncomfortable
ICE internment camps
Cheap #bothSides nonsense.
You mean
GqP: lol no plebe
Dems: if we can get the ability, that's our goal. Aw fuck we've been cockblocked by the senate again. Sorry.
It doesn't seem weird to you that there's always some reason a Democrat prevents Democrats from accomplishing things when they have a majority? It's been like two decades of this, bud. There's always some reason for them not to fix anything.
I'll vote Democrat every time because, although they barely do anything, at least they won't actively make things worse. That choice fucking sucks though, so quit acting like Democrats aren't trash. They are trash and the only reason to vote for them is because the other side is taking policy advice from literal Nazis.
I'll vote Democrat every time because, although they barely do anything, at least they won't actively make things worse. That choice fucking sucks though, so quit acting like Democrats aren't trash. They are trash
Have you considered, y’know, participating in the party? It’s pretty easy to do. Or is it just like, “Feh. Muh. Bleh.” Which I totally understand. Things is complicated.
Then weren't. They had a trifecta for 2 years and it became obvious that they were unwilling to actually fight. They gave up at literally the first sign of resistance. And they haven't put forward anything that would actually change the system. Just a pay raise.
If someone's using it as an argument "Here's why we need to get involved in political activism and improve the Democratic party," then it makes perfect sense. Biden did good, but the Democrats are far from what we need.
If someone's using it as an argument "Why not just abandon the idea of influencing politics at all, even if that means letting the Republicans have a turn smashing up the country we all live in to sell it as scrap for them and their friends while killing anyone who disagrees, because what's the worst that could happen, Dems suck anyway lol," they are either trying to help the Republicans or they've been fooled by the people who are trying to help the Republicans. They will, in the next few years, be able to have a terrifying and tragic object lesson in what the worst that could happen is.
Don't worry, Democrats have been doing everything they can to drop minorities after this election
I got the sense they were targeting trans people now, I feel like after undocumented immigrants they're next.
Yeah first they went for the Latino population
Then the Afro-Americans
Republicans: No.
Democrats: "We would, but preserving the filibuster is more important"
Republicans: Yes (by eating 50% of you)
Thanos: Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
So this
But but Biden gave 11 billion dollars to Intel!
Tired of this narrative. Biden showed historic union support.
Lmao the bar is so low when you consider "first president to walk a picket line" to be historic union support. Was that before or after he broke the railroad strike?
He gave the rail workers everything they were striking for.
He didn't make nearly as much noise about it which was a massive mistake which is why people like you keep not knowing about it.
He also promptly backstabbed them
Name one thing the US Government has done in your lifetime that you support.
One.
ACA.
But it could have been better. Like ALL things done, they are never perfect, they are never everything I want because I'm not the only person in the country, but if it moves the needle in the right direction I support it.
NOAA, NASA, USGS.
NOAA was created by an executive order in 1970 and has never been established in law, despite its critical role.
Huh!
The United States Geological Survey (USGS), founded as the Geological Survey, is an agency of the U.S. Department of the Interior whose work spans the disciplines of biology, geography, geology, and hydrology. The agency was founded on March 3, 1879, to study the landscape of the United States, its natural resources, and the natural hazards that threaten it.
You're either 145 or full of shit ;). Also while important initiatives hardly anyone gives a shit about them. They're things you do when base needs are met and base needs are not being met.
I don't believe you are interested in a fair discussion.
Okay?
Tremendous concision!
Shame no one will understand
