if ads were just static PNGs with a link you went to if you clicked I wouldn't have ever bothered. but ads became a major malware and tracking risk so plugging that security hole became mandatory.
People are gonna say I'm being hyperbolic or crazy, but I swear that the internet died the day the first line of production Javascript was ever written.
It's true. I work in a computer shop and we see literally thousands and thousands of dollars lost from people clicking on ads that look like normal buttons (things like "Download", "Next", etc). And not just the elderly either. Everyone has a a combination of inputs to get scared and comply. Folks that are otherwise extremely competent and savvy can get scammed too.
The best security you can have online is adblockers, only beaten by using trusted websites.
Edit, fair points with sites being slimy these days. I meant using legitimate versions of websites rather than copy/fake websites designed to steal credentials.
Definitely. Ads are eye cancer at best, and infiltration channels for malware at worst. Compromised ad networks pumping out executable code via javascript (or back in the days, Flash) are still a major source of trojan infections.
And just to add to your important point, Ad Blockers are really Content Blockers. They allow the user to delete annoyances that have nothing to do with advertising. We should all start calling them Content Blockers.
I have said it before, snd I will repeat it as many times as it takes.
Adblocking is security, untill website owners take legal and financial responsibillity for the harm that a hacked ad spreading malware or attenpting any kind of deception, I won't even consider removing my adblocker.
If this changes, I will consider it, but will still not do it, the risk to my data is too large.
Yeah, there's no proper screening process and companies aren't help liable for malicious advertisements. It's the Wild west out there, and companies take money from anyone due to there being no consequences. Internet advertising has no proper screening process like network television.
Yeah all my actual friends are messaging me elsewhere, facebook is more like a picture dump for old people. I only use it occasionally for joining various expat groups since I move countries frequently for my job, and they are rather resourceful.
It sure might be, but the one friend who got blocked is just casually posting stuff from his personal life, nothing spammy going on there. Either facebook is screwing with me, or they are playing out some friend's posts in the ad-network stream so you are actually losing some genuine content. That would be evil (and totally something Meta would do), but I really couldn't care less.
I do think that sounds more like they're hiding it and blaming adblock than pretending something was missed. Wouldn't be surprised if it starts small and ramps up over time, but that's just speculation.
My Facebook is hardly even friends these days. It's basically ads, suggested posts, and posts in groups. Maybe because none of my friends really post anymore, I dunno.
I'm at the stage where I check it once a day, maybe twice, for things like birthdays and anything important that my friends post. 90% of what's there is suggested posts, ads, or reposted shit. 'What type of gemstone suits you best? Tap here to find out!'
One of my parent's dozen+ facebook bots that steal their pictures/identity, because they are too dumb to know how to configure FB privacy settings. It's disturbing how many of them just scour profiles, replicate, and impersonate to scam.
In Brazil, it is useful to contact people that you know in real life, family and friends...
Plus, it sorta works like a Craigslist here. People sell and buy things from Facebook everyday, and people advertise their business and services here (e.g: restaurants, plumbing services, gift stores, etc)
I'll be that sort of person to say that the change starts when you also start. When messengers weren't a thing here, I started moving people I talk with to a messenger of my choice. Slowly after some time all the people I know were using it without giving any thought because turns out they just use whatever works. Several months go by and I safely use nothing but that messenger of my choice. Whenever a person asks if I use Facebook/Whatsapp, I just say "I don't have it, do you have (that messenger of my choice) or do you prefer SMS?" - and it kind of works for me.
Exactly and I think what we are seeing here is that the other companies are now helping build a very frustrating user experience to break down the everyday user. We will likely see Twitter and others joining in the coming weeks
Yes same for me, whatsapp is pretty much the only "genuine" communication channel. I only keep a presence on facebook since I have to move countries frequently for work, and the "expats in $city" groups are quite helpful to find people, and then move the discussions off-platform :-)
I don’t like that it doesn’t save video progress mid video. It also is not very reliable for me, so I use an iOS extension called vinegar and use YouTube through a browser.
I find it quite dubious their claim of it blocking posts from friends, vs. ads. Friends don't post ads, so if it's blocking posts, they are inserting ads colored up as "friend posts".
First it will be a back and forth war of Anti-adblockers vs Adblockers
Then when the Anti-Adblockers start to lose, which they will, then they'll come crying to various governments with massic PAC campaigns among other insane garbage about how "Adblockers are Piracy!" and that they need to be banned.
It'll end well enough. People will just stop using their shitty platforms. They'll start looking for alternatives, from which there are loads, find that there are platforms that don't require ads, and go there.
You're massively overestimating the conviction of the average internet user. They'll do whatever they're told is cool to do, including visiting a site that is nothing but ads.
Eventually they will just use server side authentication that the ads were displayed properly and the best an adblocker can do is draw a grey rectangle over it and mute your tabs sound.
The thing is, if they get really stupid with it I could just go ahead and install pi hole. I haven't already because it's a bit of a fiddle on and I don't apparently don't need it yet. There's no way for the government to mandate against that, unless they actually want to ban me from owning a computer, Which obviously won't really work.
That only allows DNS-based blocking of domains, which isn't going to be nearly as effective. A lot of modern ads are served up from the same domain that you're visiting. Browser-based ad-blocker extensions are in a position to block domains, URLs, and specific parts of the HTML DOM itself. This is going to sound rude, and I'm sorry in advance, but when people bring up pi hole, I assume they aren't very knowledgeable about how things work.
Setting up a pihole takes minutes, and will block literally millions of ads on your home network.
The biggest hurdle is teaching yourself not to click on sponsored links. Google will still show promoted results, but you'll get an error when the pi blocks them from loading. This is annoying for new users, especially if some of the users don't care that they are being manipulated and just want to see the thing google wants to sell them.
LOL, if you block ads they'll hide a message from one of your friends that you never would have seen anyway because it would've been buried in ads.
I think this is good though. I think this is just what a lot of people need to get them off FB. I mean... have you tried surfing the www without an ad blocker? I'd rather not use the www.
They also use all those uglified class names so you can't easily target a class to block. They're total bastards. The Facebook Purity plugin is hip to all these tricks though. There are some very dedicated and talented developers who have put in a lot of time and creativity to circumvent these assholes.
I don't think any other site can do what YouTube is doing, because YouTube is almost impossible to replace and find an alternative to. If Facebook pulls this I'm out for good. The only reason I'm on there still is the 3 people who refuse to use anything else that I still care about.
So they're essentially admitting that their advertisements are indistinguishable from your friend's posts which are the actual reason you visit the site in the first place. It doesn't matter anyway anymore. Facebook has buried friends list content among absolute bullshit you have zero desire to see. I visited a while ago and 99% of what I was shown was ridiculous groups I tried to block. But there are millions of them. You can block a thousand groups and there's 999 thousand more that are just like it, waiting to take their place. Facebook is supposed to have this super algorithm that determines what users want to see. If that's the case, why are they incapable of detecting that I am actively opposed to certain types of content? Maybe they think they're going to outrage me enough to engage on this bullshit? Nah, I'll just leave. Bye, fuck-faces.
It's probably made-up garbage. If they knew my ad-blocker had actually blocked a friend, I'm sure they would have found a way not to get anything blocked.
Or alternatively they are now displaying some friend's posts on the same channel normally reserved for ad networks so they are indistinguishable via software? But then it should be way more than one, unless this is some early A/B testing crap.
I saw sometimes ads that was claiming that one of my friends like that product too. My bet is on that.
BTW: I started using user script to remove recommendations, suggestions and other crap like that. It makes Facebook so much more bearable but interestingly also feels less addictive.
this is such an insidious way to stop people from using ad blockers. It's not like facebook isn't deliberately making sure these false positives happen.
"they could just as easily present them in a way that wouldn't be blocked" would be a more accurate way of phrasing it. Facebook is not the one blocking this content - rather, it's detecting that it has been blocked (clientside)
As soon as one has the audacity to deploy anti-consumer bullshit and the others see there's no measurable fallback, they all rush to roll out the same shit.
Exactly. They sat back and waited. They all want to do it. Ads are cancer to just about everything. Cable, internet, streaming, etc. it ruins the user experience.
Facebook marketplace is more popular than Craigslist, offerup, etc. at this point. And there is an enormous knowledge base for various hobbies/activities via groups like gardening, mountaineering, etc. People use Facebook for the community. I hate Meta as much as anybody, but it is good for many things.
While i like ublock and use it myself, i hope not everyone uses it! There need to be different adblockers. Same as just one browser, or one forum is vulnerable to different things, so would adblocks be.
I agree that it's better to have multiple options. The issue with adblockers I often see is that they are adware themselves when not malware. With ublock origin, you can block contents of various types and not just ads. I prefer people having ublock origin than any bad option out there.
Everyone should be using the Facebook addon "Facebook Purity" if they are still using the platform. I've been using it for over a decade and I can't stand using Facebook without it…
They are always a few steps ahead of Facebook and work well with other blockers.
Not only that, you can block specific parts of Facebook, not just the adverts. You can block the shorts, people you know, groups, keywords, and even whole topics.
You can change settings, like how you see your feed and it will stay changed.
Changing the font size, type, spacing in addition a bunch of color and night mode options are just icing on the cake.
In my professional opinion, it's the only way of working with that platform is not harmful to one's sanity.
Although not certain how safe it actually is. Seems like the extension exists since 2009 and is still regularly updated. But it can not be found on Firefox native Addon database.
Uh yeah, I paid for YouTube Premium, I purged my accounts on Facebook, they are not the same. It does make me happy when platforms that abuse their privilege like Facebook begin doing things that will bring them closer to their end.
I actually got a notice like this several months ago even before YouTube did theirs.
If anything, Facebook's quite infamous for trying to combat and blockers in general. I remember back then when they obfuscated their web layout so much that it got tricky for some to filter or block sponsored or recommended content.
I don't care for Facebook one bit... but it's alarming to see ANOTHER platform trying to block adblockers. First YouTube, then APKMirror, and now Facebook. Great... can't wait to enter the adblocker blocking web era. Fucking Google, always making shit worse.
Anti adblockers have always been a thing. Every month or so in the past five or six years I've come across a site that demands that I deactivate my adblocker, to which I've said "lol no" and moved on.
Yeah it amuses me that someone somewhere must be like 'gosh they are blocking our ads' when in reality if they shame me for blocking their egregious ads I usually just go to a different site rather than update my filters.
I love how both Meta and YT will Barbara Streisand Ad Blockers into the spotlight. Most people do not use ad blockers and all these News will make them more aware of it.
Reminder that Facebook hates you and pays people to develop ways to manipulate and control your behavior. Request to download your account data, delete your account, and go outside. It's less scary than you're making it and you'll feel better in the end.