Bill presented that would make disliking Trump grounds for an involuntary mental health hold
Bill presented that would make disliking Trump grounds for an involuntary mental health hold
This came up in my health care forum.
Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.
This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.
Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.
This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
Americans are fucked. Political disagreement to be classified as a mental disorder? Y'all skipped the Hungary and Russia steps, and went straight to NK.
I will scream it from the roof tops that he is incompetent and my dislike for him. I’m not scared.
You're not scared because your great grandmother wasn't thrown out a 4th floor window by Nazis. You really don't understand a dictatorship, do you?
My grandmother was a German citizen. My blood runs deep and I fully understand how you put these people in their place.
This process is already able to be abused to swat people, and the conditions are horrible for the people being held. I've seen it as a MH worker. It's not a hospital, it's a jail. There is no treatment, only observation in cells. It's deeply traumatizing and corrupt. Coercion to get people to sign into voluntary programs ($) in order to be released, or they extend their hold. The whole thing is a travesty.
Awww, they're feeling the pressure huh?
Just like in Soviet Union under Stalin.
Not really, abuse of the mental asylums like this mostly happened after Stalin’s death. Under Stalin, you were simply thrown into the Gulag system.
Document not found..
And here I thought it was Roadkill F. Kennedy that was gonna send me to a concentration camp for taking antidepressants. Welp I guess it's the nuthouse for me instead. At least until being mentally ill at all gets you sent to the "rehabilitation farms."
Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.
Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.
Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.
Was a mental health tech at a psych hospital. Ditto this, when it's the nurse's word against yours and the Ombudsman is already overworked and overwhelmed, you're cooked.
I tried to go to bat for my patients so often, but once the nurses and the aides burn out, they stop doing the job because they care and start doing the job because it's a job. I had nurses who told me to overchart patients so their insurance would pay more and they'd stay longer. Shady, shady shit.
And keep in mind that this is the state of things prior to our current regime that runs on cruelty.
LOL, the stuff of nightmares.
Quite literally in my case.
PTSD from “psychiatric care” is pretty difficult to deal with (and understudied. fascinating how PTSD only garners you empathy and understanding if you’re a combat rep, despite the fact that most with PTSD do have it from sexual abuse and possibly inpatient experiences - suicide rates skyrocket after involuntary commitment, but why do any form of investigation into something that might hurt profits?)
If you’re afraid of wasps, you aren’t expected to go ask a wasp how to deal with it. If, however, you experience severe abuse at the hands of mental health professionals and you live in an area where mental health care = the police, getting any form of help is pretty difficult.
Especially when they consider your gender identity and sexuality as manifestations of mental illness/further evidence that they don’t need to look into the tech beating the shit out of you.
Oh shit! Free mental healthcare.
Fuck Trump!
I'd like to talk about my mother when possible.
What makes you think it'd be Healthcare?
What makes you think it would be free?
Other countries will pay for it!
/s
Let's see here, make this out to comptroller, and the amount is... well let's just leave that blank for now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry
This is literally CCP level stuff.
Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.
Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).
For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents." "Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained."
After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.
This is literally USA level stuff.
Holy shit, what? Good god
I know all about MKULTRA, but I've never been aware of this or anything else that involved Canada.
Man this country is rotten to the core. The shit that the CIA did with LSD alone constitutes crimes against humanity.
Like red flag laws, but for the other side.
Red Flag laws are used to remove guns from Trans, Latino, and Black people in red states too. It's not the solution to gun violence that people think it is. It was a good idea, but it ends up falling to paradox of the false positive and even being weaponized against minorities more often than not. It violates due process as well.
More comprehensive care for people with severe mental health issues and arresting and jailing domestic violence offenders their first time is more effective. Unfortunately, we just defunded public mental health, so...
I agree.
My first thought when reading this is….
We’re mere weeks away from martial law.
My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?
A fair ask.
I guess I'll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.
They probably wouldn’t allow RISK, too “violent”.
I like Mancala, personally.
If you guys haven't started rioting by now then I lack any empathy for you with what comes next.
Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?
- Lucero
- ; Drazkowski
- ; Wesenberg
- ; Eichorn
- ; Gruenhagen
but, the bill doesn’t even make sense and uses “psychic” instead of “psychiatric”… so not even proof read….
it’s basically a troll bill, more important things to get upset about (unless you’re in minnesota, then you should petition to remove them)
I don't know how to start a riot
This statement sums up modern Western society.
BORTLES!
first: start a huge protest with flyers and stuff.
second: start breaking things.
????
nth: prison for inciting a riot.
(although, worth it)
What's the bill number? Is there a link to the text for a full read?
It's a Minnesota bill and the link takes you to the full text.
Link says document not found.
Just worked for me.
That’s new. Granted, I did see it on mainstream headlines earlier today.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.
It's also important to note that they're planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.
What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?
They are kept isolated and ignorant by class warfare under an undermined education system, geographically and social media algorithm bubbled, have severely limited economic prospects, exposed to childhood religious indoctrination, and have normalized extreme right wing propaganda.
They believe their small town and rural economic hardships aren't self inflicted due to lack of unions & solidarity under worker strikes & holding local politicians accountable, and take out their anger on other working class and poor people because they feel justified by their suffering to inflict suffering on their perceived perpetrators.
In pop culture references it's Megatron feeling justified to destroy all autobots because he was deceived by a wealthy autobot leader to slave in the energon mines.
They want people to suffer.
Evil. The word you're looking for is evil.
They believe the propaganda that others hate them or are trying to destroy their way of life, and that dollar-store Hitler is their champion fighting for them.
That's what I don't get. Like, why can't we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?
But no, there's a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.
I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he's old enough to ask. I just don't get it. It makes me sad, and helpless, and anxious, and I just don't want to have anything to do with the rest of society. And I don't even live in the USA but am solid upper middle class in Scandinavia.
Hello fellow Scandinavian
I share your worries, I truly think we're going to have war at our doorsteps sooner or later, and I don't really know what to do about it (beyond I guess, preparing mostly self-sufficient communities of like-minded individuals capable of self-defense, but yeah..)
It's definitively scary
Lack of empathy. Fear that they are fed. Hate for different people. Sense of superiority over people who have even less than them. Total lack of responsibility. Religion.
This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.
Keep going….
Who do you think Trump is copying? 🤔
Russia did this after calling the war a war was made illegal.
Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.
Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?
This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…
Which results in more cops getting shot
Killing a public servant leading to death penalty eligibility is one of the verbatim reasons in the law. I am confused by your comment? If you think this is new, I don’t know if it will assuage your concern that it’s a not a new phenomenon. It’s always been a death eligible crime.
It’s always been a death eligible crime.
No, it hasnt
What in tarnation? Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a real diagnosis now?
No, but he’s impacted mental health. I’ve had people with psychosis wondering, first term, why Trump hadn’t arrived to save them from their crappy lives yet. Crying. Shaking. Legit beside themselves with belief that he was riding in to save them from themselves post election. Going over the edge such that “the shot” needed to be deployed.
Needless to say, news was banned from that unit, airing it made breakdowns increase in both number and severity.
That said, this is not how the current conservative pundits are presenting this so called syndrome. This label is instead assisting in their dismissal of people who think Trump is having a negative impact on America, in whatever way(s) you choose to read his impact as negative. The way they toss “Trump Derangement Syndrome” around is not unlike the classic unhealthy male who can’t maintain a healthy romantic relationship and is thus quick to accuse the ex, all the exes, of being “crazy” in a sad attempt to rally social support. Similar tone.
Yeah, I'm using it get out of work Friday. Long weekend baby!
I always thought it was a mental condition suffered by those who lack the cognitive function it takes to not vote for a fascist dictator.
No, just some terminally online Trump fans think it's real.
it's legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding "Trump Derangement Syndrome" as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it's 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans' base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.
basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from "ironic" Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it's "just a joke" when you're defending it, it's "just trolling" when you're pushing it through, and it's "owning the libs" when you're executing on it.
As long as you aren't playing it down (I don't think you are but not 100% sure) I'm with you. Historically, that's how we got here.
Still, it needs to be called out, every step of the way. The more such "troll legislation" passes - possibly unseen - the worse things get.
Also, there's no 3- or even more-D chess going on. MAGAGOP is just throwing shit at the wall, not too bothered if something doesn't stick, but immediately ready to follow up if it does. So let's make sure it doesn't.
definitely not playing it down. the whole point of meme magic is that it shifts the Overton window so bills like these can actually pass. it's a kind of "irony laundering." they "troll" the Left, the Left raises alarm, the Right keks and calls us hysterical, the Center sees us as crying wolf and tunes us out. the Right pushes the "troll" legislation as far as they can because "it's just a prank bro," until we're weakened enough they can actually pass it.
it's like how the Right goads us into calling them "fascists" because they're literally being fascists, the Right gaslights saying we're always calling everyone "fascists," until fascism reenters the Overton window because the Center thinks "fascism" doesn't mean anything anymore.
honestly, the Left should have used this kind of meme magic back when Republicans were calling centrist Dems Socialists. if we'd used this strategy as well as the Right did we could be executing Billionaires by now.
Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn't mean it will be passed. The overwhelming majority of bills that are introduced don't pass. And this is in one state, not federal. And if the legislature passed it the governor may veto it, and it would certainly face legal challenge.
I get that everything sucks right now and it feels like we're getting attacked on every front. I get the administration is doing illegal stuff. We're in for a rough time. Still: don't give them power by acting like every idea they bring up is likely, or possible. This bill is just trolling, it's so some nobody state level legislators will have a bullet point in their newsletter and a social media post.
You're missing the point. This shit drags the Overton window to the right every time.
They are testing the limits and normalizing this shit at the same time.
It doesn't pass... Until it does. Then what.
Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn’t mean it will be passed.
But it absolutely means that republicans want to do it and will keep working at it until they accomplish it or something similar. And democrats will probably fucking go along with it because of course they will.
It can’t happen here…until it does
While this may be true, most floods start with a single drop of rain.
You are, of course, correct. That said, the level of enforcement happening on illegal acts and judicial orders says it may not matter.
It’s a mess right now. So keeping an eye is good.
Authors (5) Lucero https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1260
; Drazkowski https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1258
; Wesenberg https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1256
; Eichorn https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1219
; Gruenhagen https://www.senate.mn/members/member_bio.html?mem_id=1257
These all seem like real upright citizens in Minnesota, guys. /s
"Trump Derangement Syndrome" means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump's behavior. This may be expressed by: new text end new text begin (1) verbal expressions of intense hostility toward President Donald J. Trump; and new text end new text begin (2) overt acts of aggression and violence against anyone supporting President Donald J. Trump or anything that symbolizes President Donald J. Tru"
Just in case you missed it
What’s intense hostility these days? “Eat the rich”?
A meme post that involves suggestion of a Trump micro penis?
There’s too much interpretation left in the wind with some of those phrases.
This is unhinged. I hope it doesn't pass.
It won't. Even if it did Walz would would veto it.
Every single elected Nazi will probably vote for it, but they don't have a majority and they are super upset about it.
I've contacted all those that I can. A director at NAMIMN did respond to my email stating that this bill won't be heard at all. Still fucked up of them to even try.
I saw on a conservative discussion group about making "TDS" (Trump Derangement Syndrom is what they're calling it) an actual entry into psychiatric work. I was wondering where this was coming from.
There it is.
U guys remember that scene in Schindler’s List where the little girl is screaming “Good bye you Jews!” To all the families as they are being marched off to a slave labor camp? Well this is how that sorta shit starts. Make the opposition the demon and get away with anything.
This is indeed how that sorta shit starts.
Worse, Americans also seem to have forgotten how to make that sort of shit end. Everyone agreed on what to do with Nazis 80 years ago.
You mean import the upper level Nazis into America ala Operation Paperclip?
Everyone certainly did not agree. A very sizable segment of US citizens were Nazi sympathizers before and after WWII. Remember what it took for the United States to get involved in the war effort in the first place.
They got it backwards.
We educated America wrong, as a joke
These fucking unimaginative regressive vengeful idiots - they just ripped off ODS and CDS and tried to make it a thing during donvict's first term, and then, ironically had such a case of BDS under Biden [1].
Now the bootlicks want to enshrine "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (not a real thing) into law?
[1] ODS, CDS and BDS are and were actual things on the right, though. They kept claiming that these milquetoast center-right Democratic presidents were tyrannical, were going to take their guns, create death panels, bring about a Marxist regime, that qons were being "censored" (lol), and so on....that's some serious derangement.
Subd. 28. Trump Derangement Syndrome.
"Trump Derangement Syndrome" means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump's behavior.
Psychic pathology is a phrase that could go in several directions.
We live in a world where people worship a businessman/politician as the literal second coming of their messiah, but "Trump Derangement Syndrome" refers to people who are critical of a convicted felon who openly ran for office to kill further prosecutions against him
That will never pass in Minnesota. Who authored the bill?
republicans there are really pissed-off they couldn't do any damage when they had that manufactured one-seat house majority.
they're also trying to recall every single DFLer from the state house.
they used to be independent republicans. not anymore. they're all hooked on the maga
juicediaper leakage.The independent Republicans were all pushed out of the party when they opposed Trump. Some were beaten in primaries, most saw it coming and retired.
Agreed that it'll never pass in MN. The question is, how long until a copy of this is introduced in some red state where it could pass?
Edit: Hit save too soon
screams in Tennessee
Our legislative body here is dying to suckle at the hamberder teet. Hell they are trying to rename the Nashville international airport (BNA) to Trump international.
That orange mofo isn't even from Tennessee.
Like God damn.. can you bend over further?
This is the litmus test for our democracy. If it passes we are so unbelievably fucking cooked.
We've been hurtling past brightline after brightline for decades. Now it is so flagrantly obvious, can it get any more obvious than multiple Goose-step Salutes, but more importantly the propaganda spin to play them off and justify it as not being a disqualifying action. They used to have to dog whistle their zeal for bigotry and xenophobia.
The question is, what the actual fuck are we going to do about it?
Organize? Direct action? That magic word that happens when you mash up insurance and male arousal? The DNC would not support or pardon folks involved in that effort, and the corporate media would absolutely vilify it.
The answer is obvious, with historical underpinning, although we still have to figure out how to "televise the revolution" in this day and age.
This is PROOF that Republicans LOVE Freedom and are NOT Snowflakes or Fascists!
I know it's tough, but just try to breathe evenly, look out the window for a while. It'll soon pass. Don't give up the fight!
Description
Trump Derangement Syndrome addition to the definition of mental illness
Authors (5)Lucero ; Drazkowski ; Wesenberg ; Eichorn ; GruenhagenActions
Separated ChronologicalSenate
03/17/2025 Introduction and first reading
Intro
03/17/2025 Referred to Health and Human ServicesI'm not sure why Bill is presenting this shit, but he should stop!
Relevant Wikipedia Page Political Abuse of Psychiatry
At the apex of the pyramid comes Big
BrotherOrange. BigBrotherOrange is infallible and all-powerful. Every success, every achievement, every victory, every scientific discovery, all knowledge, all wisdom, all happiness, all virtue, are held to issue directly from his leadership and inspiration.What's not to love? Of course anyone that doesn't like this guy would have to be mental!
I would greatly appreciate if articles like this would include the state in the title.
It’s Minnesota.
What's interesting is that I don't think this is in the DSM
Yeah. They even have to call it out separately in one section of the bill. It really highlights that this is a totally made up condition.
"Mental illness" means Trump Derangement Syndrome or any of the conditions included in the most recent editions of the DC: 0-5 Diagnostic Classification of Mental Health and Development Disorders of Infancy and Early Childhood published by Zero to Three or the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders published by the American Psychiatric Association.
This is not good. Eta; has anyone mentioned similar bills in other states?
Since 2016, quite a few. And probably before that too. And probably significantly more since 2025.
As horrible as this one is, the real problem is in numbers: every single bullshit law introduced by MAGAGOP must be called out and ultimately repealed. This democracy isn't dying with a bang, it''s dying by 1000 cuts.
Psychiatry has always been the violent imposition of politics.
What the fuck, no way
Lots of people are about to be diagnosed some type of delirium.
Delirium is transient, temporary.
This can happen with medication, UTIs in old people, old people in a prolonged hospital stay away from their set home environment, etc. Fix the trigger and you fix the delirium.
For a while, american police were diagnosing people with cases of "excited delirium". They would say the person was unresponsive to commands, and due to their mental state, were a danger to themselves and others.
The officer feared for their life. That's why the officer had to be involved in a shooting, resulting in injuries, and the person would later die in an ambulance or hospital.
Sometimes they used it as an excuse to kneel on people's necks. In some cases, the people they were detaining begged for their lives, only to expire later due to injuries sustained from the arrest.
This post and the responses make me glad I was private schooled.
Do I think it will pass? No. But the fact that it’s even within the social psych of any lawmakers right now is worth a look. The link is a .gov for bills.
Breaking things means the guard rails we are used to no longer exist, we need to stay cognizant of that bit.