Bill presented that would make disliking Trump grounds for an involuntary mental health hold

You're not scared because your great grandmother wasn't thrown out a 4th floor window by Nazis. You really don't understand a dictatorship, do you?

Not really, abuse of the mental asylums like this mostly happened after Stalin’s death. Under Stalin, you were simply thrown into the Gulag system.

Red Flag laws are used to remove guns from Trans, Latino, and Black people in red states too. It's not the solution to gun violence that people think it is. It was a good idea, but it ends up falling to paradox of the false positive and even being weaponized against minorities more often than not. It violates due process as well.

More comprehensive care for people with severe mental health issues and arresting and jailing domestic violence offenders their first time is more effective. Unfortunately, we just defunded public mental health, so...

The other side?

So, the only possible sane position is to support everything Trump does?

What makes you think it'd be Healthcare?

What makes you think it would be free?

Was a mental health tech at a psych hospital. Ditto this, when it's the nurse's word against yours and the Ombudsman is already overworked and overwhelmed, you're cooked.

I tried to go to bat for my patients so often, but once the nurses and the aides burn out, they stop doing the job because they care and start doing the job because it's a job. I had nurses who told me to overchart patients so their insurance would pay more and they'd stay longer. Shady, shady shit.

And keep in mind that this is the state of things prior to our current regime that runs on cruelty.

LOL, the stuff of nightmares.

Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents." "Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained."

After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

This is literally USA level stuff.

A fair ask.

They probably wouldn’t allow RISK, too “violent”.

I like Mancala, personally.

Just worked for me.

https://archive.is/iHqdf

That’s new. Granted, I did see it on mainstream headlines earlier today.

Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?

I don't know how to start a riot

It's a Minnesota bill and the link takes you to the full text.

It's also important to note that they're planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.

Keep going….

Who do you think Trump is copying? 🤔

Yup, exactly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

Russia did this after calling the war a war was made illegal.

Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.

They are kept isolated and ignorant by class warfare under an undermined education system, geographically and social media algorithm bubbled, have severely limited economic prospects, exposed to childhood religious indoctrination, and have normalized extreme right wing propaganda.

They believe their small town and rural economic hardships aren't self inflicted due to lack of unions & solidarity under worker strikes & holding local politicians accountable, and take out their anger on other working class and poor people because they feel justified by their suffering to inflict suffering on their perceived perpetrators.

In pop culture references it's Megatron feeling justified to destroy all autobots because he was deceived by a wealthy autobot leader to slave in the energon mines.

They want people to suffer.

They believe the propaganda that others hate them or are trying to destroy their way of life, and that dollar-store Hitler is their champion fighting for them.

That's what I don't get. Like, why can't we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?

But no, there's a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.

I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he's old enough to ask. I just don't get it. It makes me sad, and helpless, and anxious, and I just don't want to have anything to do with the rest of society. And I don't even live in the USA but am solid upper middle class in Scandinavia.

Lack of empathy. Fear that they are fed. Hate for different people. Sense of superiority over people who have even less than them. Total lack of responsibility. Religion.

No, but he’s impacted mental health. I’ve had people with psychosis wondering, first term, why Trump hadn’t arrived to save them from their crappy lives yet. Crying. Shaking. Legit beside themselves with belief that he was riding in to save them from themselves post election. Going over the edge such that “the shot” needed to be deployed.

Needless to say, news was banned from that unit, airing it made breakdowns increase in both number and severity.

That said, this is not how the current conservative pundits are presenting this so called syndrome. This label is instead assisting in their dismissal of people who think Trump is having a negative impact on America, in whatever way(s) you choose to read his impact as negative. The way they toss “Trump Derangement Syndrome” around is not unlike the classic unhealthy male who can’t maintain a healthy romantic relationship and is thus quick to accuse the ex, all the exes, of being “crazy” in a sad attempt to rally social support. Similar tone.

Yeah, I'm using it get out of work Friday. Long weekend baby!

I always thought it was a mental condition suffered by those who lack the cognitive function it takes to not vote for a fascist dictator.

No, just some terminally online Trump fans think it's real.

Which results in more cops getting shot

Killing a public servant leading to death penalty eligibility is one of the verbatim reasons in the law. I am confused by your comment? If you think this is new, I don’t know if it will assuage your concern that it’s a not a new phenomenon. It’s always been a death eligible crime.

You're missing the point. This shit drags the Overton window to the right every time.

They are testing the limits and normalizing this shit at the same time.

It doesn't pass... Until it does. Then what.

Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn’t mean it will be passed.

But it absolutely means that republicans want to do it and will keep working at it until they accomplish it or something similar. And democrats will probably fucking go along with it because of course they will.

It can’t happen here…until it does

While this may be true, most floods start with a single drop of rain.

You are, of course, correct. That said, the level of enforcement happening on illegal acts and judicial orders says it may not matter.

It’s a mess right now. So keeping an eye is good.

As long as you aren't playing it down (I don't think you are but not 100% sure) I'm with you. Historically, that's how we got here.

Still, it needs to be called out, every step of the way. The more such "troll legislation" passes - possibly unseen - the worse things get.

Also, there's no 3- or even more-D chess going on. MAGAGOP is just throwing shit at the wall, not too bothered if something doesn't stick, but immediately ready to follow up if it does. So let's make sure it doesn't.

What’s intense hostility these days? “Eat the rich”?

A meme post that involves suggestion of a Trump micro penis?

There’s too much interpretation left in the wind with some of those phrases.

It won't. Even if it did Walz would would veto it.

Every single elected Nazi will probably vote for it, but they don't have a majority and they are super upset about it.

This is indeed how that sorta shit starts.

Worse, Americans also seem to have forgotten how to make that sort of shit end. Everyone agreed on what to do with Nazis 80 years ago.

We educated America wrong, as a joke

Psychic pathology is a phrase that could go in several directions.

republicans there are really pissed-off they couldn't do any damage when they had that manufactured one-seat house majority.

they're also trying to recall every single DFLer from the state house.

they used to be independent republicans. not anymore. they're all hooked on the maga juicediaper leakage.

Agreed that it'll never pass in MN. The question is, how long until a copy of this is introduced in some red state where it could pass?

Lucero ; Drazkowski ; Wesenberg ; Eichorn ; Gruenhagen

Edit: Hit save too soon

We've been hurtling past brightline after brightline for decades. Now it is so flagrantly obvious, can it get any more obvious than multiple Goose-step Salutes, but more importantly the propaganda spin to play them off and justify it as not being a disqualifying action. They used to have to dog whistle their zeal for bigotry and xenophobia.

The question is, what the actual fuck are we going to do about it?

Organize? Direct action? That magic word that happens when you mash up insurance and male arousal? The DNC would not support or pardon folks involved in that effort, and the corporate media would absolutely vilify it.

The answer is obvious, with historical underpinning, although we still have to figure out how to "televise the revolution" in this day and age.

I know it's tough, but just try to breathe evenly, look out the window for a while. It'll soon pass. Don't give up the fight!

It’s Minnesota.

Yeah. They even have to call it out separately in one section of the bill. It really highlights that this is a totally made up condition.

"Mental illness" means Trump Derangement Syndrome or any of the conditions included in the most recent editions of the DC: 0-5 Diagnostic Classification of Mental Health and Development Disorders of Infancy and Early Childhood published by Zero to Three or the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Since 2016, quite a few. And probably before that too. And probably significantly more since 2025.

As horrible as this one is, the real problem is in numbers: every single bullshit law introduced by MAGAGOP must be called out and ultimately repealed. This democracy isn't dying with a bang, it''s dying by 1000 cuts.

Delirium is transient, temporary.

This can happen with medication, UTIs in old people, old people in a prolonged hospital stay away from their set home environment, etc. Fix the trigger and you fix the delirium.

Do I think it will pass? No. But the fact that it’s even within the social psych of any lawmakers right now is worth a look. The link is a .gov for bills.

Breaking things means the guard rails we are used to no longer exist, we need to stay cognizant of that bit.

I graduated from multiple private schools, I don’t understand what you mean? Is reading legislation and sharing news not taught at your private schools?