Can we agree we need to get these meek fuckers out of leadership
Can we agree we need to get these meek fuckers out of leadership
Schumer relented one day after vowing that Senate Democrats would thwart the "partisan" measure, saying the "chaos" of a government shutdown would be a worse option.
Absolutely useless
you can try, it's unlikely to happen.
Unfortunately we seem to have zero good public speakers in out government, the one thing that actually seems to matter politically, just doesn't exist anymore, apparently.
Money still important
a good speaker is what changes minds, money only changes the opinions of the weak.
Getting rid of citizens united would certainly be nice though.
You have meek fuckers in leadership because that's who the corporate/wealthy donors want there. If you want to get rid of them you're going to have to get rid of the money and influence that put them there.
Absolutely. I've been calling my Senators since Thursday telling them that if they don't publicly call for Schumer to step down, then they are culpable for his decisions. Supporting fascist enablers is supporting fascism.
They're not meek, they profit from the status quo.
These people have no business in governing modern day people, these dinosaurs need to be let go.
they benefit and profit by not being the blame of the GOP whom they are also grifting form.
Schumer has been in Congress since 1981 and politics since 1975, so maybe stop fooling yourselves that he’s going anywhere
Cuck Schumer
Chuck the cuck
He’s not meek he’s corrupt
Time to take out the trash
They're not meek. They're pusillanimous. Or pusies for short. Intentionally misspelled.
If you’re old enough to draw Social Security, you shouldn’t hold office. Period.
Dems agree to set Social Security age to 105
I know what you mean and mostly agree with upper age limits on office holders but children can receive social security survivors benefits. It is not just (although mainly) old age pensioners.
Here's the actual story, Schumer relented one day after GOP and DNC megadonors threaten to pull funding away from 10 Democrats.
So the super rich really do control everyone and everything.
Who knew?
Historians and artists have been trying to tell us this for years.
We didn't listen, but we liked their work.
From 2008 through Bidens term, when the GOP wanted to use the threat of a Govt shutdown against Democrats as leverage negotiating as a minority party. Now, the Democrats want to use the same methods as a way to have some power. The problem with this line of thinking is that the current administration does not want most of the Government open. They want to shut it down and give DOGE time to make sure none of the employees come back. This is the total opposite of the leverage the GOP had over Democrats who only wanted to keep the Government open. It was never going to work and they would have just been helping DOGE complete their goals. After all their goal is to dismantle as much of the Federal Govt as possible.
So what should the Democrats do? Open another government?
Trump cant do nearly as much damage to a government thats utterly closed down. If the dems had a single stone shared between the lot of them they'd shut it all down. Or maybe the dems are corrupt, but its the same outcome either way.
Only if you’re ready for a decades long campaign to flip towns, cities, districts, and state level legislatures like it took the republicans from 1972 to just a month ago.
That’s what we’re up against.
The US needs to break the two-party system so minor parties and independents actually have a chance at representation.
Of course there's no incentive for the establishment to do that. Is there any way for new candidates to run with the major parties, but on a platform to introduce preferential voting when they have the numbers? I don't know much about factions within US parties, but they certainly exist in my country, and can transform parties quickly if they think they have election-winning appeal.
It would have to happen bottom-up, as you say, so people can get comfortable with such a big change. Also, people are much more likely to elect independents at a local level.
I’d throw my vote behind the naarp
Gotta move to direct voting.
Anyone else get the feeling he’s been compromised?
He's very dependent on donations from the banking industry, it's all there on OpenSecrets. Both NY senators voted to end cloture because that's where wall street is. Gillibrand seems to be avoiding criticism for some reason but it's the same exact story for her. Wall street was already suffering from the Trump tariff decline and couldn't take any more from a shutdown.
Well he's a zionist. And the zionists bought both parties but preferred trump in power. So yeah.
You mean like recently? No. It's been a lot more than a feeling since 2016, for me at least. A known fact I guess you could call it?
I felt that about the lot of them since the state of the union address.
they're giving off strong "fuck you, got mine" vibes.
I doubt any of them realize the following though.
What do you get if you take everything away from a person?
you get what you fucking deserve.
We're not going to give Donald Trump what he wants, so we're going to pass this spending bill that gives him everything he wants! That'll how 'im!
It's long past time for Schumer and most of the timid OLD dems, to step aside. We've had enough of failing. We need to elect people that are capable of fighting back.
Lol Trump called Schumer a "Palestinian" (now a threat) and this fucker just rolls over.
and muslim groups objected to the dehuanization of the word 'palestinian' becoming a slur, while zionist groups objected to trump calling a jewish guy a palestinian. You cant make this stuff up.
Meanwhile AIPAC continues to control our government and Americans try hard not to pay any attention to that issue, even though our entire government operating as a mercenaryfor hire to the highest corporate or nation state bidder is probably the defining issue of our time.
Schumer clearly never learned that appeasing Nazis is not the way to go! Or perhaps he's a nazi is disguise.
I called my senators in new mexico to vote no. And with senator lujan the clerk said he will be voting no. So hopefully more will follow.
Heinrich is also voting no
Thank you for calling
no one is this meek. this is collusion. they're complicit, and it's not by accident. they've always been this way.
This is the correct take. Dems are owned by corporations, conservatives are owned by oligarchs (and corporations, but I don't think corporations are too happy with what's going on with Trump and Musk)
And Musk and Trump are just mad that everyone thinks they are weird spoiled assholes, so they are seeking revenge on..everyone.
Democratic politicians suck up Super PAC money the same as Republicans. It's just that Republicans just do other forms of corruption out in the open because they know their voters are too stupid to notice.
Trump scamming people with memecoin currency, MAGA doesn't care.
Bingo
Trump will destroy America and blame democrats if we don't fully back Trump destroying America, including removing congressional power to block the destruction of America while it is done.
On blame, easy path is push for clean CR that will keep government open, or reopen, when house votes on it when they feel like coming back to work. GOP will be blamed for the shutdown.
DOGE is already tearing wiring out of the walls. Crazy to get weeks of "Half Department X has been fired and the budget has been slashed" articles only to hear Schumer take the blame in advance for further defunding.
It's because the Moderates (aka. Republicans in blue suits) control the party and it's been this way for far too long.
It's the same reason Nancy Pelosi kept stepping on AOC's toes and even worked to keep her out of key committee positions, despite her being popular with a lot of Democratic voters.
The DNC is a zionist first organization. Members winning is secondary to zionist rule over America.
Yeah, they're not meek or cowards.
They bravely stand up to their own base.
What is this from?
I love how these conversations happen many times every session, but then campaign time comes and everyone calls me a Russian asset for reminding people of what the "Blue No Matter Who" mentality gets you.
This is the proper attitude for primaries, not general elections.
You're either with the oligarchs or you're with the terrorists
Oof
The time to have that conversation is before and during the primaries. After that, it's not a worthwhile conversation.
The message isn't the issue, your timing is.
How long do I have to wait for this to work? It's been 25 years of voting blue no matter who and Republicans are just getting more and more power. When do we get to say that's a failed strategy? When there's no elections anymore or when there's only one party on the ballot?
Oh, wait, that happens a ton already because Democrats are fucking useless. Three seats on my 2024 ballot had Republicans running unopposed.
Dodgy governments as per usual.
Call your senators, they can still block this despite Schumers push. The vote is tomorrow. If all republican vote for it, they need 7 dems. 8 with Rand Paul who has said he'll vote no. (Republicans are not using reconciliation so it needs the the filibuster)
Many senate dems are publicly coming out against voting for cloture (meaning they won't vote to let it get through the filibuster). As of what I last read, around
1110 dems are thought to potentially vote to let it pass filibuster. Most of those are still not sure. We only need a handful more of those to become noes and it will get blocked. Some yeses have flipped to noes because of public pressure. We cannot let up nowLink to find direct numbers your senators
https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm
Or call the capitol switch board (202) 224-3121
House dems are publicly telling the senate not to do this (and it's not just AOC on this - it's quite a few of them). Earlier read that 7 Dem state AGs are saying the same. Federal worker unions are telling senate dems not do this. Keep the pressure up
One thing to keep in mind though...
I was outraged a minute ago, but now I'm not sure.
When the government is shut down, so are the courts, and we need them.
How one branch is capable to shut down apparently a co-equal branch of the government?
Not immediately
Unlike executive branch agencies, the federal courts can continue operations for about two weeks following a government shutdown. When a shutdown loomed in September 2019, the U.S. federal courts confirmed they could use reserve or carryover funds accumulated from various revenue sources not dependent on Congress, such as case filing fees. When courts are on notice that a government shutdown may be looming, they can take steps to conserve funds by deferring non-critical expenses — for example, by curbing travel, new hires, and certain contracts.
Plus voting in favor of this CR would be codifying much of what these cases are about. Many of the illegal spending cuts would become legal until September making the cases moot.
It would also fuck over DC local government in a way the executive branch cannot easily do. Congress can control DC budgets but very little of the DC budget comes from federal money (<1%) where Trump could mess with. The CR has a clause to cut $1 billion from their budget despite that not saving the federal government any money
Which are the 11?
Turns out it was actually 10 as I accidentally counted Cortez Masto as two people whoops
Schumer, Hassan, Peters, Durbin, Schatz, King, Shaheen, Fetterman, Cortez Masto and Gillibrand
https://bsky.app/profile/joshtpm.bsky.social/post/3lkbxyja44s2c
In terms of what's more confirmed by statement and such here's one tracker that seems to somewhat regularly update
I've often been a defender of Democrats being realistic, but Schumer is on some bullshit here.
It’s unclear what, if anything, Schumer got in return for his decision to allow the House bill to proceed
Says it all right there. The Republican bill was just a list of laughably insane things they knew Democrats would oppose so they could blame the shutdown on them. It actually cuts funding of DC's local budget forcing them to fire teachers and even cops. Again, nothing to do with the federal government. It just grabs power from a local government and says that they can't use their own local tax revenues to educate kids and fight crime. It's complete rabid insanity that has no point other than to bully a blue city. And Schumer's like "Sure, ok. whatever."
People say nobody becomes a billionaire without exploiting workers. Nobody becomes that powerful in Congress without breaking rules. Trump is a gangster. His people have dirt on him and probably most everyone. The Republican know when to call in the favors to get what they want. Chuck has no choice but to follow along. Maybe they will let him live he thinks. Maybe he hopes he can get away with what is maybe worse than we know or think he’s done.
It will be interesting to see how and when the future views the end of the US and democracy. It’s probably already happened. We just don’t see it that way.
They're not meek, they're bought.
It’s really hard to remove bought politicians when it’s the rule and not the exception
That's why I am 99% certain America gets a civil war. When half the population are so mentally ill that they support Trump, and the other half so brainwashed they blame progressives for Trump — the only group that has consistently warned that conservatism and neoliberalism will result in fascism — you can't simply "deprogram" them.
One major reason Europe rebounded after WW2 is because the vast majority of fascist "true believers" died in the war, and fascist leadership was executed. Europe essentially had a political and sociological "reset". Without that, America's cancer will continue to grow and fester. If civil war does not happen, or the fascists win it, the world gets US fascist imperialism and WW3 in the 2030's; give or take a few years.
Only if you play by the rules.
Warner and Kaine have both said they intend to vote no. Unfortunately there's no chance my congressional district is going to do anything other than give Trump carte blanche.
The US has no form of vote of no confidence. So therefore no way to have consequences for bad governing outside of the voting period, which has its own problems. Importantly here is the need for quick backlash rather than wait two or more years to choose someone else (if there is anyone else allowed to be a pick).
A lot of the flaws in the government are inherent from the beginning because there were certain expectations assumed, and that a document of rules can't be perfect the first, second, or even only a third time. It needs consistent revisions to keep up with the needs of the group it is designed for. This is where the biggest failure has happened, and can be attributed to lack of attention, not wanting to change what seems to work, sacred holding of what was never meant to be set in stone, or just that it often benefited not being changed at the time by those with the power to change it.
Add to all that a very short attention spanned public, fine tuned to be ignorant and forgetful as well as easily manipulated by the simplest of sound bites.
The rot is in the walls. Not that the American Experiment was a bad thing, it's just that it wasn't maintained and updated, so you get eventual decay.
Kevin McCarthy would still be the house leader if that were 100% true. Congressional leadership can changed with enough intrer-party pressure. Schumer is highly unlikely to face any expulsion vote from congress, but he could more realistically be stripped of leadership position. This is a breaking point that might actually build that pressure and we can play a roll in that by calling your senators.
Not delaying Trump's nominees with all tools (only some of them) isn't nearly serious as him pushing to give up the one piece of genuine dem leverage until September for basically no gain. Directed pressure - not on social media - but in places senators can see will let us do it. That means calling them, emailing them, hell even faxing, showing up in person to their office and town halls, etc.
Also do this for the bill vote itself too before tomorrow morning. See my comment about we can still block this vote
They backed down on govt funding? They backed down, didn't they?
Not they. So far it's only Schumer and Fetterman, and Fetterman was a lost cause anyway.
Next time I'm donating to the strokes act blue.
The dnc is just controlled opposition. The Democratic Party is the only chance to push the country left but the establishment is working against it and these old fucking ghouls are the elite still and much closer to their Republican “counterparts” than they are to us.
We have to vote the dinosaurs out of office, if we ever get to vote again.
If someone who has been in office doing their job for decades and still hasn't changed much .... why does anyone expect them to do anything different now?
Also for some of the Dems not up for reelection, they have nothing to lose
No one does. That's why they need to go.
At some point the people will have to use their check on power. The second Amendment.
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A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
So like... what the fuck even happens in a government shutdown?
How does power shift when that happens?That’s my question, too. How does a shutdown suddenly give the reavers more power to destroy? I mean, they’re already tanking everything.
Reading about the funding bill, it also seems to include dismantling of some checks and balances.
They're probably fucked either way, I just don't know enough to tell which is worse.
Seeing as both Bernie, AOC and federal workers' unions agree to vote no on that one, they're probably on to something.
Idk, I don't live in a failed stateI think they are gearing that shutdown will shut down the courts too (a branch that supposed to be co-equal)
People who can afford not to get their paychecks anymore can still show up for work, the President, the Treasury, and Military will be operating at full capacity, but federal workers will no longer receive payment and will likely be forced to quit and congress might remain in recess for a long time.
I guess the people will be compelled to hold an impromptu no-confidence referendum with bricks and molotovs for ballots.
'No' is not enough.
No capitulation.
I don't know the details of the powers trump would have under a shutdown so I'll have to reserve judgement on this one. Some of the dems are acting a little shell shocked since this chaos started though so you wonder if they can be useful again.
Reading a bit it seems the funding bill in its current form basically cuts their remaining healthcare and removes most congressional oversight on how money is actually spent, among other things.
If so then yea it's probably not better than a shutdown.Republicans created a dilemma though, the bill legalizes and gives trump more power, not then of government is shut down, so are the courts.
Looks like we are fucked either way.
I miss Anthony Weiner
Can we agree that we need less leadership? If these meeks want anyone dead we are all screwed because they have a trillion dollar army at their command
Jesus Christ I'm sick of government shutdown drama. Do your jobs and figure out the budget on time, you fucking assholes.
They have. Republicans are in charge rn, and they decided to gut 2 trillion in programs like Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, and a shitload of other stuff so that they can feel slightly better about the 4.5 Trillion deficit they're going to add by extending their tax cuts for the rich.
That's why a lot of people are upset enough to want the government to shut down rather than face that reality.