Trump thinks he humiliated Zelensky. He really humiliated the United States
Trump thinks he humiliated Zelensky. He really humiliated the United States
Trump’s Oval Office show proves he’s no Don Corleone. He’s really the Luca Brasi for mob boss Vladimir Putin.
Summary
Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.
Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.
Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.
This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.
He did something much worst then humiliating x or y. Everyone already knew he is a clown, but he pretty much blown any credibility USA still had as a partner for anything, see also tariffs and threatening 2 allies (Canada and Greenland)
This is Don Corleone beheivior, I give you 100 billions in old military equipment and you give me 500 back, really?
Also, USA offered security guarantees on '90s when Ukraine gave back the nukes to Russia. Officials didn't forget that, maybe Trump did.
Trump would say that the deal was done under incompetent old management and it is not valid under him. As if the government is now his and not the old.
Ok, then his validation as president was done by the same incompetent old management and it's not valid.
He can say what he wants. International treaties are international treaties. If you break them you loose your credibility, if you still have any after threating to invade your allies.
The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.
To add to that: Even from a purely military perspective, the intelligence gain regarding modern tactics far offsets what the US paid for it
Trump is a vulgar minded criminal who only thinks in terms of money and cash.
There is so much in this direction. For a fraction of the budget, you could obliterate both the Russian army and economy, without losing any soldiers. What an opportunity, what a deal. Unless you're owned by Russia, of course.
America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in
We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is ...problematical, at best
So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.
Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.
Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other's interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.
So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we're helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.
Illusion of choice
half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky
at this point, the rest of the world should start phasing out and blocking anything American. can't rely on the looney bin for critical infrastructure.
Føtex in Denmark is to start marking American products, so now it's easier to know if you're buying something American or something European.
I think Canada is also going to make a few trade deals with us.
100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.
The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it's time to take the ride.
I'd like a refund please, I didn't agree to this.
The united states is a clown of a country for three decades.
Most embarrassed I've been to call myself an american. And I'm a veteran.
Absolutely disgusting.
I'm so angry and embarrassed. What a total shit show.
Since 2015 ish I started unfollowing both left and right side friends because of political talk from people on my friends list on Facebook. I really have pruned it to be only people that post stuff they're doing. Same for people that only forward stuff. (News or whatever).
I broke down and posted about yesterday on my feed with a link to a YouTube video of the press conference. Expressing how utterly disgusted I was.
It's a minor thing but it should make it very clear how I feel and the line we crossed with that display.
I'm a veteran and a minority as well. It's great knowing more than 1 language because I can claim a different country that speaks my language as my own to avoid the negative association of being an American.
I also get discounts speaking my native tongue compared to white folks who come blaring in disrespectfully.
Who said there were no "perks" being a minority in the United States <sigh>
The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It's almost unbelievable that this actually occurred...
Almost. But some of us could tell he was a Manchurian Candidate
Most embarrassing, wtf, have you read american history past the first grade. Hell in the first chapter you'll find ethnic cleansing of natives and the three fifths compromise. This isn't even the first time we've done a shakedown like this. Half of Latin America got this treatment in the 19th century, albeit less crude and poorly executed.
Even on the regurgitating authoritarian propaganda front, in the 70s we were running diplomatic cover for fucking Polpot and playing down the genocide because we wanted to get back at Vietnam and cozy up to China.
Those were all closed door dealings that boomers children could've only learned from hindsight. This was a public display of WTFery that rewrites the last century of geopolitical history, something like this hasn't happened since... Oh god.
More embarrassing than Holocaust denial and the slaughter of indigenous people?
You know there's something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.
You know there’s something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.
did you know there are BYD chinese cars sold all over europe.
if they are US allies - how does that happen?
Has Trump done anything in the past month to not humiliate the US and drastically weaken our global strength and influence?
Some drone strikes on some Al Qaeda guys I guess? But nothing of significant note. The rest has been a complete humiliation of the US.
The same drone strikes he said were illegal, and instead of stopping, removed reporting of so he could say he didn't do it but Obama did... ugghhhh
He doesn’t think it, Krasnov simply knows he has to keep repeating that talking point to get people that haven’t seen the “discussion” to side with him. Why this talking point instead of another? Using the same criticism against the other side turns it into a matter of whose word those people value more to begin with. It’s him relying on his popularity. Those that don’t value Krasnov more (that also haven’t seen it) could potentially be swayed to at least think both sides were in the wrong.
That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He's a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it's all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.
He hasn't figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.
He's bankrupted everything he's tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he's going to bankrupt America.
If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.
He tries to run diplomatic relations like he would be dealing with NYC mobsters. That man is entirely unsuited for office. The US population which elected him has shown to be unsuited for the leadership role they claim their country has. That’s the reality the rest of the world is facing. The US is a troubled state and an unreliable ally. Moreover, they are acting in the interests of adversarial nations to world peace and prosperity. Other nations who did that have been deemed rogue or terrorist states.
Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico.
Trump's tariffs are about to come into effect against Canadian goods in a couple days. I fully expect to see another meltdown from Trump. I really hope Trudeau records the entire meeting/phone call and makes it public so the whole world can witness it.
I am sad that due to the sheer mass of stupid new shit trump is pulling the impending implosion of north American trade (and therefor economy) is getting very little coverage (even Canadian news at the moment is covering other things).
This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn't says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.
Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.
And the sad part is that even if we can get our act together and pull put of this, our former allies would be justified in not getting too close, because we've demonstrated that we could just allow the morons back in at the next election to burn it all down again.
The US always had terribly low resilience in the way their government is structured. The "checks and balances" were pretty great in the late 18th century, but their protections are paper thin and assume good faith.
Several countries have iterated upon their constitutions in the last 300 years, often to close exactly the kind of vulnerabilities we can see exploited in the US right now. For example, because of what the Weimar republic's article 48 was used for in 1933, the German president no longer has those powers.
I understand that the US constitutions had had amendments, but as far as I can tell, the fundamental flaws across several core institutions have never been addressed. Until they are, the US can not be a trustworthy partner for any endeavor longer than the next election cycle.
Yeah I'm actually slightly annoyed that while the first presidency we haven't cooled that much and prepared ourselves to be less dependent on the US.
But I think now it's pretty clear, "Trump"s USA is not something we (as europeans) can rely on anymore. Repeating the error twice should be more than enough to come to that conclusion, it was blatantly obvious that something like this could happen (seemingly not for a lot of americans, it's almost comical to see something like "LeopardsAteMyFace"). Though I'm still a little bit surprised at what speed Trumps administration is able to disassemble the US...
It's hard for me to ignore the fact that what you said is 100% something Putin wants. Trump could not be doing a better job of tearing apart the United States and its standing in the world.
The only way the US recovers from that is with a new constitution with actual dictatorship preventive measures in place.
Really curious what this means for Taiwan. Their sovereignty depends on US support, but with Trump at the helm, we're just as likely to cut a deal with Xi and stay home when the fighting starts.
People waking up the reality of what the USA actually is.
What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.
At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.
The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.
So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.
That's the kind of idiot he has always been.
Now I want to learn about that building.
https://drivingfordeco.com/stewart-and-company/
There's actually a picture of Jackie O and John Jr. shopping in the store.
He took away anyone's right to ever suggest a woman would be too emotional to be president lmao.
You expect Republicans to be consistent? They live for hypocrisy.
Yeah exactly. I wonder how Trump would've responded if anyone in the room asked him if he would have used diplomacy had he been president during Pearl Harbour or 9/11. I'd have loved to see him squirm his way out of that one after he stated that Zelensky needs to be open for concessions in exchange for peace.
Karens yelling at cashiers in the checkout line also think they're humiliating their victims.
Anyone know how fox news is spinning it to the Maga folk? I can't bring myself to look at the cancer.
Zelenskyy gave Fox and interview which came off quite well.
Idk, but I've seen "Zelensky is a welfare queen asking for a handout" narrative and Zelensky is short and Donald tall so he gooder takes from the right. They are absolutely fucked in the head.
Zelenski is an ungrateful bitch who got bitch slapped by Trump and will now give the US everything trump wants because trump best!
Something like that, probably
Just to clarify: I think zelenski is an example to the world and I think it's very fair to call him the Churchill of our generation.
And he does it on a daily basis.
The sick fucks at Fox said Orange Numbnuts should receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Did Neville Chamberlain make the nomination list when he licked the sweat off of Hitler's sack?
The tough guy act falls pretty flat to me when if it came down to it I'm pretty sure the average 13 year old could deal with this geriatric old man. Like gramps your bones are made of glass.
Didn't Musk's kid tell him to STFU?
Musk’s little kid told him to shut up and go away.
And that he wasn't president.
The US federal abomination continues its rapid deterioration
Who cares what others think of the US, it's all a facade. Regardless who's in office the world sees us as a joke. Homelessness, incarceration rates, low education, poverty, no healthcare, stagnant wages, there's a thousand things to look down on about the US other than a fanatical asshole.
Ah, the duality of the United States. An greedy evil imperialistic Nation that undermines everyone else, but also USAID is going away and people are wondering wtf they are going to do to get by.
USAID has never been anything but a tool of US imperialism and regime change masquerading as charity
Yea but freedumb! Ma guns!
U.S.S.A.
We should honestly update maps to show America as a Russian state. It's still crazy that America won the cold war, but managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
It's been obvious since at latest 2014 that the cold war never ended, merely paused.
We should honestly stop blaming russia for USA having always been a garbage slave empire.
I've been calling it the FSA (Fascist States of America).
Yeah, that's less of wacky lib conspiracy and more of an accurate description of reality.
Zelensky didn't need to be made humble. Clearly he is and is only in power at this point for the sole reason to overcome the ruzzian invasion.
Trump embarrassed everyone who watched. It's like watching a human do something disgusting and realizing it was disgusting without knowing anything else about humans.
…and you would have to be just drop dead stupid if you thought our NATO and EU allies weren’t watching this coverage.
Colonizers betraying colonizers? I'm shocked. \s
I’m not pro trump but I am a libertarian, this shit was downright disgraceful. Shows how mature he is.
lot of people are "shocked" and "surprised" but like why, as the saying goes he literally said he would do that
They thought he'd pivot.
It's impossible to humiliate a genocidal empire with no shame.
People have lost their minds over a disagreement. It's really not a big deal. Here is the real problem, Zelensky openly states his expectations during that meeting in the oval office that Russia will 1. Leave all Ukrainian land, including Crimea. 2. Pay to rebuild Ukraine. This will never happen, ever. Ukraine is free to continue the war as long as they wish and America is free Not to continue to pay for their weapons and the functioning of their government.
It is not the disagreement per se that people are losing their minds over (though that is another topic). It is the way he and his vice president shouted at another president's face just because he thinks acting tough and macho will appease his supporters. This is just disgraceful and pathetic. No one with a grain's worth of sense would want a college bully as the president of the US.
How did you get that over our Cheeto and his couch fucker vp yelling over him, knowing English is a second language to him, just yelling and talking over him, straight bullying him like he stole something. Our "leaders" are pathetic children. Can't even stay on topic, went to the laptop, Hilary, holy fuck, these are our "negotiators" that have inserted themselves to help? America is cooked, were a fucking embarrassment. I'm ashamed to call myself American. JD making sure he gets a little camera action since president musk will be back and he'll be the third wheel. Fuck me we suck so bad.
Yes, America is free to let Putin invade a sovereign country.
Of course this makes them chickenshit appeasers. Unreliable Russian bootlickers who are willing to abandon their commitments under the Budapest Memorandum. But they are free to do this.
Just don't give me any of this "land of the free, home of the brave" bullshit. They've proven who they are, and they are not that. They're fucking greedy imperialist cowards, friends of dictators and authoritarians. I hope they do us all a favour and just hurry their descent into irrelevance.
Once they've completed their internal collapse, and the pieces have been picked apart, a new Alaric will ride in and close the deal. Lasted less than 300 years. Pretty pathetic by comparison. But I guess the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
If he acted like that on camera, imagine what he's like behind closed doors.
I'm with Trump on Ukraine.
And I don't support Trump on other issues.
It's fucking stupid supporting them. Whole thing started back in the days, but the world changed dramatically since.
^ Troll alert. Don't feed it.
Troll = anyone u disagree with
What a stupid take. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and inform you that when the USSR fell a substantial amount of their nuclear weapons were within Ukraine's borders and Ukraine was the only new state in a position to actually maintain and potentially deploy their nuclear arsenal.
Ukraine gave up those nukes on the promise that Russia and the USA wouldn't invade Ukraine. Now Russia has invaded and the USA is siding with fucking Russia. This sends a message to every other civilized nation that the USA won't back them up if another nuclear power invades. Where does that logically lead them then? "Better build my own nuclear deterrent" and now we're gonna go from 7 countries with potential to end all life on earth to god knows how many. The downstream impact of this could literally end humanity.
I don't care about those squabbles.
world has changed - china is beating US economically and that's unlikely to change.have you been to any store in US recently - what's manufactured in US? nothing - that's right.
if US starts some stupid war right now - they don't have the manufacturing industrial base anymore, in fact - China would be that country with that base.
Protecting EU for free make no sense - did you know there are BYD dealerships all over the place in europe? chinese cars - and thats supposed US ally, that allows complete chinese infiltration on its soil.
how is life in Russia nowadays, by the way? we get almost no reports of it other than the occasional protestors getting shut down
Inflation of food prices is very noticeable. Still manageable, though.
Taxes are getting higher.
Lots of services can't be paid for due to sanctions. Some payments are possible, but for a premium.
Roscomnadzor still pisses everybody off. They're slowing down YouTube to an unusable rate. They claim it's Google's hardware degrading (It's not). Then there's Discord being blocked, and now they seemingly want to target Steam for some unknown reason (the reason is VKontacte needs more money).
More insane legislature is being talked about.
The lingering threat of being drafted or randomly killed by a drone isn't gone, which is emotionally draining.
People want peace. Yet, put responsibility on incumbent. (Think: "We had no say in it, they started it, they'll finish it")
Opposition? What opposition? Everybody's either jailed or were forced to leave the country. They'll literally lock up a single father up if he dares to show disagreement with their "special military operation." And the kid? Who cares? They don't matter to our very just and absolutely not corrupt courts. (Sry, still fuming about that story. Hope the judge and the principal will rot in hell)
That's about it. Source: me, also russian news media and official legislature sources
boeing whistleblower found dead: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703
open ai whistleblower found dead: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/28/openai-whistleblower-suchir-balaji
I don't agree with you, but I'm glad you're allowed to say this without being censored.
So... If China tries to take Taiwan, is that ok? Is it perfectly normal for the US to threaten to take Greenland and Panama?
Or are we pretending that war, genocide and taking over neighboring counties is just a one-off situation?
Thanks USA, we don't want another Afghanistan.
To be fair, he humiliated both.
I know in this instance you are prone to see Zelensky with the best eyes possible, but this was a shitshow from both sides. Trump, the usual, but Zelensky, what a lack of self-awareness!
This was a planned ambush. Zelensky handled it as well as could be expected under the circumstances. The fact that Vance and Trump kept demanding he say thanks and be obsequious to them when they've done nothing but undermine Ukraine and carry Putin's water was beyond parody.
Thank you? For what? Extortion while promising nothing? If I were him I'd have told them to go fuck themselves. I guess that's why I'm not president of jack shit.
This banana republic was never respectable but with the senile genocide enabler first (who they desperately tried to us was still mentally capable) and now the orange clown they have certainly sunk to new lows.
Don't worry americans, there IS no reputation to harm.Anyone equating Trump and Biden (in a thread that has literally nothing to do with the latter) is either full of shit or in desperate need of a civics lesson or three.
And your motives are transparent.
I have laughed and ridiculed the comedy capers of Genocide Joe just as much as I did the orange clown.
They both have different yet equally amusing traits. And is most certainly on point seen this thread is on humiliating shit from your banana republic.
They can most certainly be equated.
I really don't care your feelies get hurt by it and have to lash out with potty mouth vulgarities."And your motives are transparent."
LOL let's try an ad hominem in desperation since you have nothing to offer.
Bye now, enjoy your embarrassing shithole.
I know I will:
Zelensky we finally have Russia at the negotiations table ( no thanks to biden ) Russia sent people to talk about peace, the only one holding up the process is Zelensky. After all the money we sent to Ukraine we cant even get a deal on minerals? Let Russia consume them. EU is too busy buying oil/gas from Russia more than they have donated! EU could care less about Ukraine!
Russia sent people to talk about peace
Russia sent people to accept Trump's unconditional surrender.
That is a lie… do you just make shit up?
Russia sent people to talk about peace
You mean the country that started the war by invading another country wants to discuss a peace they could have by simply getting out of that country? Russia, who has violated more than one ceasefire? What a bunch of crap.
There’s a history behind it. For most of Ukraine’s history, it was under Soviet control. In 1991, over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence, and Gorbachev agreed, but with the condition that NATO wouldn’t expand past Germany—NATO agreed. Russia accepted democracy at its doorstep in exchange for that promise. What happened to Thatcher and Baker’s promise?
Later, Yeltsin sought NATO membership to foster closer relations, but NATO didn’t respond. NATO's military expansion seemed aimed at Russia, and without Russia, there’d be no need for that military buildup.
In 2000, Putin sought NATO membership again, but NATO ignored him. After 9/11, Putin supported the U.S., sharing intelligence, allowing airspace and military bases. But after the U.S. destabilized Iraq, Putin grew wary of NATO’s expansion into Russia’s sphere. This war with Ukraine could have been avoided—Russia, Ukraine, and the U.S. could have negotiated. Stop believing the media.
Wow, that's a lot of bullshit in such a short amount of text. Ignoring most of it, I'll focus on the "money" sent. We didn't send much in the way of funds. What we sent was old, obsolete, and outdated weapons and munitions which we will then replace with newer, modern and updated stock.
People also seem to forget that we're basically using Ukrainians as cannon fodder so the US and Europe don't have to put our troops on the line to hold back Russia (not that Trump cares about keeping Russia in check).