I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.

Ahh, but you see, you disagreed with Stalin that one time, and therefore you were the fascist all along

It's honestly such a shockingly privileged position it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense unless they are operating in bad faith. Yes, there are several serious problems in the world, and absolutely none of them are solved by helping the US slip into fascism. Leftists in particular are supposed to hate fascists, so I can't imagine how anyone with leftist sympathies could possibly want to see what the world looks like with an unrestrained Trunp at the helm. Again, unless they are so privileged they don't think the consequences would affect them personally, in which case I would call any other profession of external empathy which they might bleet ad nauseum, as questionably sincere.

But what else am I gonna do with my feelings of impotent rage? Try to actually change something?

This was a great comment until you implied only conservatives are deciding not to vote for Harris due to our support of Israel.

"I completely understand the Palestine/Israel situation, I've watched multiple tiktoks about it!!!!"

Not very hard to understand killing civilians, children and women is a bad thing to do and shouldn't be supported.

There's really not much to know nor is it a complex conflict. Just like The Troubles, it's a colonial conflict pretending to be sectarian/religious in nature.

ETA: And it should be clear that supporting people who want to support more and greater heights of violence isn't going to help.

Theres a genocide and she is in support of it, not really complicated or hard to fathom.

Granted, I don't know much about the conflict. I've read about it on Wikipedia and it gets more and more nuanced and complex at every turn.

HOWEVER.

There are candidates who advocate for stopping the killing. This is not a high bar. This is a bar I would like to see Kamala reach.

If you want to protest, you protest AFTER you get sympathetic ears into office,

This is exactly why the railroad strike failed lmao.

Even UAW's future strike plan is May 1, 2028, which is strategically a presidential election year, 5 months before the election.

At no point has a protest pushed any president left, regardless of party.

Not sure which depresses me more.

Sheesh, all those removes and downvotes ...

Even if you're in a solidly blue state, don't fuck around with your vote.

You fuck around, and we all find out.

Back in 2000 I traded my vote for Nader in a swing state with someone in a solidly blue state. We should do that now.

Whenever I hear people pushing the, you're either with us or against us, kind of rhetoric it makes me shake my head. It should go without saying, but obviously it doesn't, that you don't get to tell other people how to vote, and if you try to, they're going to think you're a raving lunatic. If you actually want to convince them to vote, you might want to consider making a plan for how to reasonably sway their views.

Or don't, do whatever you want, it's your life.

Kinda like a tactical wee?

I'm going to be 100% with yall that comment and post this shit.

Before I go on, let me say I voted dem and know they would be better for the world over Trump.

But is that's the standard and argument you expect people to vote for, you are in for a rude awakening... To anyone reading this or agreeing with these outright insulting comments and posts about how you know better need to take a long look in the mirror. Because...

If the only support you are giving to the Palestinian and Arab people is voting Dem and having arguments about lesser evils, then you are not helping the situation.

Yes vote dem. But get off your ass and protest, donate, and support those communities currently harmed be democrats disastrous Gaza and Middle East policy. That's how you sway hearts and minds. These fucking backhanded, self serving, ignorant posts and comments won't stop anything but prove to those communities that the democrats base does not give a shit about anything that doesn't directly effect themselves.

Yall are missing the forest from the trees. Not voting for the light genicidal party nor the full genicidal party isn't some gotcha win for Trump. It's a failure on our part to demand our party doesn't continue using our votes to do harm.

call your senators daily and demand they publicly denounce Israel and the IDF. Donate money to organizations that are saving lives destroyed by our bombs. March with your fellow Palestinian and Arab brothers and sisters. Divest and boycott any business with ties to Isreal and the IDF.

But Ya im sure comparing individuals that have lost friends and family to bombs provided by the Democrat administration, to Lord Farquaad. We're better than this. This is just conservative tactics used on a population that we need to vote blue! We are better than this! show some empathy and get involved. I have Palestinian friends and they would spit in your face if you said this kind of shit to their face because it's removing the humanity of the 40k people killed by Isreal via bombs provided by Biden/Harris. If you/we don't care why should they?

Edit: just realized how tone deaf this post is. Who's more like Lord Farquaad? Palestinian and Arab Americans who's friends and family are being displaced, starved, and bombed? Or literally the leadership that didn't even allow Palestinians to speak at a convention and is currently providing bombs and aid to Isreal?

Yeah tell ne qbout it thinking not voting for either one somehow helps trump 😂 same people that failed basic arithmetic clearly. What they really msan to say is that people voting third party are not helping harris..and yeah thats the point and entirely not the same thing.

Believe it or not, even democratic reps are unreachable when it comes to antiwar positions. Yeah they might be "civil" to your face, they will hear you complain, but then send you a form letter in response, telling you that nothing's going to change and that's good actually. Feels like they could just say "fuck you" and save some steps, but I guess that's just Democracy™ in action.

But hard things are hard and involve complexity and nuance! I'd much rather call people racist, spout a simplistic solution and call it a day.

It's a genocide not a "conflict." An ongoing genocide is the number one thing I will care about and you don't get to decide I shouldn't care about it

Ongoing genocide is at the top of my "what I'm concerned about" list. If it isn't for you, maybe you should reflect on that a little

b-but the.. the genocide!!1!!1!11!

(/s obviously, I don't like it either)

I genuinely don't know what passes by their brain, but I got banned from commenting on a community on hexbear because I was saying that their little third party wouldn't win anyways and by voting it they were helping trump, and every response was just calling me a genocide apologist because of my support for the dems.

It seems like they can't just reason properly

I'm confused. Lemmy.ml? What is happening.

This post is calling out leftists who won't vote, or won't vote in a manner that doesn't help trump.

This is the century America learns it's not special and it sucks just as much as all the rest.

Or it doesn't and it goes away.

Story as old as civilization.

It’s like we learned nothing from history:

Who else is looking forward to--regardless of the outcome of this election--being told throughout 2025 that it is of vital importance that we get in line with the Democratic party above all else so that we can ensure that the Republican candidate does not win the 2030 election?

So pandering to idiots is bad when democrats veer to the center to get centrist votes, but it's good when Harris takes a stand on Gaza?

Hot take: morons are morons. Left and right. Fuck em.

The point of the meme isn't to convince anyone, the point is to yell at people you hate and tell yourself you're so much better than them. Any claim of "activism" and "raising awareness" is transparently false.

You get what you deserve. I'm done with all of this.

then might as well elect someone who will do good things in other sectors instead of removing medicaid and deregulating industries

People are going to die no matter what. It'll be different amounts though. One of the two has called for Israel to "finish the job" and constantly talks about how he likes what they're doing. The other condemns it, but is criticized that the administration isn't doing enough, which is fair, but also I know who I'd want to win if I lived in Gaza. I don't think the people there care how good you feel about "keeping your hands clean" and acting morally superior. They want to live, while these people want to play games.

The elections haven't happened yet. Withhold your support for Harris until she changes her mind on Gaza

There's a reason the Democrats always end up tilting right and trying to court some moderate Republicans. There's a reason Harris is spending her efforts trying to pick off some moderate Republicans in the suburbs rather than trying to appease the hard left.

The problem with the hard left voters is that they are fickle and contrarian by nature. Yes, they're talking about Palestine this year, but that's just the cause of the day. The truth is, many on the left will simply look for any excuse not to sully their precious clean hands by voting for a mainstream liberal party. They look for an excuse, any excuse will do. And every four year, they find one. For Kamala it's Gaza. For Biden it was the Crime Bill. For Hillary it was Bernie. There's always some grievance the far left reactionaries will find, their precious excuse not to be one of the normies and vote for the mainstream candidate. They're professional contrarians to the core. They start with the end goal - be a cool outsider above the sludge of normal average politics. And then they work backwards from there. Gaza is simply the cause of the day.

Note, this doesn't happen with the far right. The far right instead recognizes that it's better to support the mainstream right party, but to work continuously to pull them further and further to the extreme. This strategy is why they've been far more successful than the far left. The far right holds their nose, votes for the mainstream candidate, and works to pull the party further to the right in the future. The far left stamps their feet, demands perfection, and takes their ball and goes home. They always find an excuse to not participate. Ultimately, they just want to be the cool kids that are too cool to participate in the normie fight. They will always find an excuse not to support the Democratic candidate. They're petulant children, not voters candidates can actually appeal to.

This is why Dems always pander to the right. It's simply a better strategy. Far left voters are fickle, unreliable, and will always invent a new purity test. They're ultimately politically irrelevant, and they have no one but themselves to blame.

The problem is that any stance on Isreal/Gaza by a Democrat will lose them votes. Hence, the wishy-washy, trying to thread the middle, not really saying anything tactic.

Finally the Gaza voters. Its fine to play the game of chicken, keep screaming as loud as you can demanding change, but ultimately (secretly) get to the ballot and vote D.

This is how you destroy your credibility and ensure you won't be listened to on anything. The Democrats count on the two party system (which they are responsible for, in part) to make us fall in line. They're not going to shift on anything so long as they can write off our objections as empty rhetoric, so long as they can make calculations based on the assumption that we will ultimately fall in line.

This is complete trash. There are not 3 issue voters here. There are two. A non-vote for Harris is a full vote for greater support for genocide. A vote for Harris has a chance to change that. Any other thoughts on it are completely ridiculous.

Demecrats should also focus on rural issues more. The city voters are all already democrat and the biggest gains come from appealing to issues of rural voters that increasingly feel as an afterthought of the democrat party.

Agricultural subsidies for owner operated farms is for example is a good policy. Solar panel loans where you use the savings on them to pay them back is another.

That reduces food and power prices then you also need a housing policy.

but ultimately (secretly) get to the ballot and vote D.

By this point, it's too late. Probably already too late now.

You dumb fucks never realized that your true power is NOT your votes. It's your voice. It's the power to convince people to stay home. And you just... kept doing that. There's no threat to be made; the act of making the threat IS the damage.

I'm so tired dude. At least in a month most of you will forget all about Gaza and I won't have to hear about it anymore.

the lesser evil camp refuses to pressure the harris campaign and the harris campaign refuses to self reflect on their republican lite gamble; but the gaza voters should give up their only bargaining chip and vote for them anyways?

It's even more insane that people claim this after public outcry forced Biden off the ticket.

We have literally seen that it works, you can actually demand more of your elected leaders! But don't tell that to the Blue MAGAts, or they'll shut you down because their favorite talking head told them to shut up and get in line.

Not voting is not "punishing" anyone, it's simply abdicating your own power. Political parties aren't businesses you can punish by boycotting their products.

Parties represent the views of those who support them by some combination of getting involved, organizing, donating, and most importantly voting in BOTH the primaries (for the one who best represents you) and the general for whoever won the primary even if it wasn't your primary choice. To wield power you have to win elections. To win you have to please those who will vote for you and if your base won't vote for you, you have to turn to the middle and right to get votes. If your base would show up for you, you could safely move left and still win (republicans always show up and vote for the R, so their party has moved more and more right).

Look what happened after Dobbs. Dem candidates used to be afraid to alienate moderates/conservatives by even mentioning abortion because they needed to get some of those voters to win, but when democrats got motivated by Dobbs and actually turned out for Dem candidates, they immediately stood up loudly for abortion rights and other rights as well, once they knew their base would show up for them. If the Dem base would continue to show up, the party would move more left on the issues, since they'd know they can win with their base and don't have to worry about alienating conservatives.

Young voters not voting in primaries is how we got into this situation.

You want politicians who represent you? Gotta vote in primaries! But the elderly, who are a smaller slice of the population, absolutely shit kick the youth in terms of voting in primaries.

Want change? Gotta vote even when it's not trending on social media.

Which why we need a voting system that can end the duopoly without enormous sacrifice. Ranked Choice Voting can do that. If really hate the duopoly, you have no excuse not to join us and get RCV implemented everywhere. Check out FairVote for more info and to locate movements near you.

Why doesn't Trump have to announce a plan to stop war crimes? Why does Harris always have a higher bar to overcome than Trump? A protest to save lives has failed if more people die because of the protest.

Even if Kamala does announce this, does she have the support of Congress to do so? And would Netanyahu even listen if they did? The stuff happening in the Middle East has been going on for decades and I doubt it'll stop anytime soon, unfortunately. Even without Western arms.

It's a million times more effective to protest by getting ranked choice voting as our voting system so we can end the duopoly and actually have control over our government when we really need it, like to stop genocides.

Let's imagine a world where we stop sending weapons to Israel. What does a disarmed Israel look like, in your imagination? How will it affect the geopolitical situation in the middle east?

De La Cruz is a place holder. Nothing more. She’s untested, has no win condition strategy that makes any sense in reality and serves only as a spoiler, and has a barely above zero chance to win.

DO NOT FALL FOR THIS BULLSHIT.

She did nothing the last four years to earn your attention let alone your vote. She has no strategy to make anything she promises actually work because she knows has shown to have little knowledge about how politics work.

DON’T WASTE YOUR VOTES ON THIS NONSENSE.

They’re eligible for enough electoral votes to win in an unprecedented landslide!

Being eligible is one thing, being likely to happen is something completely different.