Freedom of speech… until you try to use it.
The most protected form of speech is money. Apparently. Which is really weird since money isn't, you know, speech, at all. But what do I know, I'm broke as shit.
Honestly we use the same argument when the right gets shut down by other institutions, like when Twitter banned Trump for being, well, ya know. We can’t have it both ways.
What is different is that Trump was banned because he was being hateful and here we see the same right being used to block people asking maybe let’s not continue doing/aiding a genocide please. I can’t say we should regulate that deep but it does make me sad that we can’t just do the right thing here out of fear that it might lose some money or the kind of audience that doesn’t care about a genocide.
Holy shit, this is universally up voted? Are the people here really this uninformed when it comes to free speech? Not one person has challenged you on this BS?
Free speech is something that protects you from the government. This is clearly some private event that has the right to allow or disallow whatever they want on their property. This is like if I was invited into your house, I called your wife a cunt, you asked me to leave, and then I said the ridiculously stupid "you're violating my freedom of speech!"
Is the Lemmy hive mind even more dumb than reddits?
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC, UNC-Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Chapel Hill, or simply Carolina) is a public research university in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_at_Chapel_Hill
The First Amendment to the Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its content. Restrictions on speech by public colleges and universities amount to government censorship, in violation of the Constitution.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/speech-campus
First sentence on the Wiki and on the ACLU page. Go back to Reddit if you're going to be ignorant and insult people.
Holy shit, this is universally up voted? Are the people here really this uninformed when it comes to free speech? Not one person has challenged you on this BS?
Free speech is something that protects you from the government. This is clearly some private event that has the right to allow or disallow whatever they want on their property. This is like if I was invited into your house, I called your wife a cunt, you asked me to leave, and then I said the ridiculously stupid "you're violating my freedom of speech!"
Is the Lemmy hive mind even more dumb than reddits?
Yes, exactly. All those people complaining when they get banned off of a platform and then yelling “but mah freedumb of speech!” Also have no idea what freedom of speech means. It’s right there in the “terms of services” they agreed to when they signed up.
Freedom of speech also does not mean freedom from consequences. Charles Manson is the best example of this. He never murdered anyone by his own hand, but he convinced other people to do so with his own words. So he got a life sentence. And what he said was all done in private, not in public.
I think the non-cropped version with the corporate sponsors shows it better.
This oppression was brought to you by Nissan.
All together now: “We all live in a fascist regime, a fascist regime, a fascist regime”
Using "fascistic" instead of "fascist" would make the rhythm work. Definitely not your point but it bothers me...
Rammstein?
We don’t, but if y’all manage to get Trump reelected we will.
Nobody is saying Trump will be better. People are, however, pointing out that we are currently seeing signs of fascism in the failing US Empire.
Man, college football is hyper-capitalist.
I wish the players would unionize. Most donate their labor in a very violent sport through which the NCAA pulls in billions of dollars.
I wish the players would unionize.
Fate of the Union: How Northwestern football union nearly came to be
the school threw its weight behind defeating the union push. Dan Persa, the former Wildcats quarterback, warned players that Fitzgerald might leave if they voted for the union. Players heard other ominous warnings—that donations could dry up, or a new $225 million athletic center could be scrapped. Players got calls from alums telling them that casting their lot with Colter could hurt their job prospects after graduation; the Northwestern alumni network would desert them.
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Colter felt as if his former teammates no longer trusted him. Northwestern’s campaign had worked. He polled the room, and it was clear the school would win the election. Even some of his closest confidants from the previous months weren’t with him anymore. Players now questioned his motives: Why had he given them only a day to sign the cards? He also noticed that most African-American players supported the union and most white players opposed it. “There was a huge divide,” Colter says. “The majority of the team was split along racial lines. It was just ugly.”
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On Aug. 17, 2015, the NLRB in Washington finally issued its ruling on Northwestern’s appeal. The five members unanimously agreed not to exert the board’s jurisdiction over whether Northwestern’s football players were university employees. Perhaps fearful of the consequences of upending the governance of college sports, the board punted. The union ballots would never be counted. The status quo reigned.
The challenge is in the outsized influence the NFL and the alumni association hold over players who will only ever be in the program for at most five years. Players have a huge incentive (the NFL draft) to toe the line while the school has a huge monetary incentive to fight back aggressively. And the NLRB is routinely stacked with corporate flacks intent on devolving labor power to business administrators.
So much of football is a complex web of social networks - coaches, advertisers, state administrators, big donors - that determine whether any player actually puts a foot on the field. And none of them want to see players organized. Not when the deal they've currently got is so sweet.
Trying to get a 19-year-old high school recruit to understand their value before an injury takes them off the field, when these top picks are surrounded by recruiters and alumni and other shady characters who want the exact opposite... its very hard. These kids are trapped in a bubble from day one. And they're all rendered disposable, unless they can reach out to one another and hang together.
Donate their brains as well. Imagine going to "higher education" just to get cte.
Will someone please think of the shareholders?! /s
Pretty sure that's UNC's motto.
"speech is money" -US Supreme court
"no money, no speech" US Supreme court, probably
I'm confused. Am I supposed to leave or remove the signs?
What about this massive sign? What if I ask to take down the jumbotron?
That sign needs to be hacked or destroyed.
Canada too
We'll have to go quite far on a list of countries by population size or something to find one which isn't like that
Pulled some suggestions and maybe Nepal as the 49th country on the list is neither? I don't know the specifics of their system
Corporate kleptocracy
Capitalism
you misspelled shithole
Edit: This has been incorrectly downvoted. Please see the wiki definition of "nonpublic forum":
"A nonpublic forum is not specially designated as open to public expression. For example, jails, public schools, and military bases are nonpublic forums (unless declared otherwise by the government). Such forums can be restricted based on the content (i.e., subject matter) of the speech, but not based on viewpoint. Thus, while the government could prohibit speeches related to abortion on a military base, it could not permit an anti-abortion speaker while denying an abortion rights speaker (or vice versa).
Regardless of the type of forum, any exclusion must be done on a viewpoint neutral basis. Exclusion based on the speaker's viewpoint is unconstitutional"
Okay. I feel that this needs to be said because we're having the same sort of kneejerk reaction that conservatives have when the law doesn't side with them.
You are in a nonpublic forum.. You do not have the right to trespass. If they feel that you are being a nuisance, then they 100% have the right to ask you to leave. This is not a violation of your 1st Amendment right.
Now....I 100% believe that protests should be disruptive, and I totally support any one of these students that decide to protest, you're doing what you think is right, that's awesome. But we also need to be realistic here, a company or private entity asking you to leave the property doesn't mean or show proof that we live in a Capitalist Oligarchy. Not saying that we don't...but we should atleast get our facts straight.
Clarification: I've updated private property to correctly state nonpublic forum.
You are on private property.
It's a state school, it's public property.
Okay. [Bullshit]
Look up nonpublic forums.
Man do I hate authoritarianism, but I love college football...
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Shameless indeed.
I mean I told no lies
