Take Rogue One off that image and I'll agree with you.
The fact that they got lucky one time doesn't mean the overall problem isn't a problem.
Andor is also amazing (not on the list) but I'd argue it isn't really inspired by Star Wars. It is in the same universe, but I think it takes a lot more from other media, and also real life, than it does from Star Wars.
Rogue One is alright. Not amazing but not as bad as the rest. It is largely still just Star Wars with a different cast. There's hints that it could have been something special, but it wasn't allowed to.
Rogue one is only held up as great because the rest are so awful. Like the first Wonder Woman movie in the DC universe.
It's a mediocre movie that ends with an amazing action sequence that capitalizes on nostalgia.
Even the original trilogy isn't "great". The star of Star wars has always been the fantasy universe. The story was already cannibalizing on itself by ROTJ (Death Star...2?)
Rogue One/Andor shine because they treat the universe as the star. They're still compelling even if it was the only content that existed outside of the original trilogy, IMO anyways. People can enjoy whatever they want for whatever reasons they want.
I'd even go further, people have seriously just forgotten the first 2/3rds of Rogue One. The characters are stiff and boring, the plot is meaningless because you know nobody survives, and the few action sequences before the big battle are nothing to right home about.
Once you get to the big battle, it's bombastic and exciting, and you even get a little tension from "but how exactly do all these people die?" I don't even think it's just nostalgia talking, the battle really was executed incredibly well. It's like ~45 minutes of the greatest sci-fi war porn ever made. It's so high quality that it makes you forget the other hour and a half of your life that the movie wastes on Jyn Erso's angst.
Rogue One was meh except for the visuals. The train heist has the most beautiful explosion VFX in s very long time.
Story wise it was meh but it paved the way for Andor which better committed to the WW2 action/spy thriller angle without the Star Wars prequel bagage dragging it down. Yes it's a prequel itself but it won't need to connect to space wizards which tend to bog down a lot of the Star Wars offshoots.
I really don't think that:
- Andor
- Rogue One
- The Clone Wars
belong with the group in the second panel. I love Star Wars and I'm also very critical of how much it reuses concepts and content across its (mainly film, but in other mediums occasional as well) catalog. There's a whole fucking galaxy of shit out there -- approximately 50 million populated worlds and 100 quadrillion sapient lives in known space alone (according to the EU, so take it as you will) -- and we see like two dozen planets and one family in the movies. It's frustrating.
A yes, another show making a pit stop in Tatooine.
somehow the camera crew went back to tatooine
The point is that the star wars films draw inspiration from Star Wars and nothing else. It's like a loss for the industry as a whole that new big studio scifi films aren't being written or produced aside from one single intellectual property. It doesn't matter at all if some of them were decent.
No one missed the point. The fact of the matter is the three properties I mentioned drew upon traditions, stories, and storytelling methods outside of the Star Wars franchise. The fact that the produced a result far beyond their peers in the catalog is evidence of the actual artistry in their creation, not the point itself.
Who thinks rogue one is a bad starwars movie? Best thing since ep2 attack of the clones
I don't think that's what is implied. They're implying that works with a lot of inspirational sources created the original Star Wars Trilogy, but then Star Wars was used as the sole inspiration for a bunch of other films. The post title says that this is a problem from a creativity standpoint.
It makes no other statements aside from that.
Something I admire about the fallout show that just came out is it actually has quite a few callbacks to the original source material (a boy and his dog, 1975) that inspired the first Fallout game. There are probably other influences that would be fun to learn about and it conceivably could be taken further to make a completely standalone series, and now I'm wondering what something like that would look like.
You forgot Dune. The book, not the movie. A lot from Dune inspired the basis of Star Wars.
You beat me to that. Ty. 👍
I mean, it makes much more sense if you analyze who the grinders are, too. The old ones were George NOT having full control, pulling inspiration from classics.
The new ones were made by J.J Abrams, one of the most creatively bankrupt morons in Hollywood, pulling from his ass. He was smart enough to realize people like mysteries, but was never smart enough to figure out how to reveal a mystery or tie it in to an overarching story.
Somebody honestly thought they'd slam dunked me in a debate about if "AT-AT" is spoken as "at at" or "A T A T" by saying that JJ Abrams says "at at".
This does not make sense. Are you saying that the ideas (or lack of ideas) of the prequels are what contributed to the problems of modern Star Wars?
The prequels had flaws, but ideas and worldbuilding were the least of them. Say what you will about the bad dialogue and directing choices, the prequels at least attempted to tell a fresh story that expanded the universe, and didn't just rely on nostalgia.
George Lucas could have just made another OT-style adventure, but he deliberately chose not to. He could have used more practical sets and effects, but he wanted to push the medium. He made a lot of mistakes, but he also laid the foundation for future stories to take place in the universe he built.
If anything, one of the big problems with modern Star Wars is when they ignore that foundation. Writers and directors are concerned with putting their creative stamp on things, which leads to incoherence.
I think the idea is that the original movie drew it's ideas from a ton of sources and that the new films' only sources of ideas are earlier star wars films.
The meme is riffing on the criticism that Star Wars has become too self-referential. That modern Star Wars are inspired only by earlier iterations of Star Wars, rather than the more diverse list of inspirations for the original film. It's not a comment on the quality of the PT.
I think you’re absolutely correct. When Disney bought it and invalidated/retconned all established Star Wars lore and world building, they threw out the foundation.
You take some raw meat, not even necessarily very good meat, and run it through a meat grinder. You've got hamburger, and you can make a pretty delicious hamburger.
You take a cooked hamburger and run it through a meat grinder, and you're getting something else, and if you try to make a new hamburger, it's going to taste weird.
There's not enough raw pulp going into the meat grinder for the latter entries.
Rogue One is an amazing movie
Am I the only person that liked Solo? :(
I thought it was decent, wouldn’t rave about it, but had a good time
Maybe it’s because I really enjoy playing sabacc with the replica cards I have.
To be fair, I don't think the même is saying all new star wars is bad, just that it would be better if it was less self referential.
I'd agree it's good. Not great or anything, but good.
Possibly. I'd rate it the worst of the Disney movies.
And Dune was also used.
Picture like this for Warhammer 40k would be huge
Just Dan Abnet in some kinda writers human centipede
Solo was a pretty good movie and I'm very upset it didn't get a sequel.
Quite accurate
AI has run out of content to train itself on
Time to start simulating worlds to generate new training data
