More things like Star Trek?
More things like Star Trek?
Over the last few years my family and I have binged all of Star Trek, then moved on to Star Trek adjacent shows like The Orville and Stargate. At the moment we're not really watching anything sci-fi. I was wondering if anyone had recommendations for similar shows (or maybe some books) that fill the void left by Star Trek. In particular I really like the episodes that deal with interacting with other civilizations, diplomacy, and exploration more-so than say, an anomaly episode.
I'd say the The Expanse fits the bill. It is a book series with a very successful television adaptation.
I love the expanse i think it is one of the best recent space sci fi shows.
But its not really a startek style show and i dont think its what op is looking for.
I think the show sliders would be much better if stargate is a good example of a non startrek franchise that fits the bill.
But then so is Doctor Who now that i think about it
Huh, I didn’t really think of Dr Who and Star Trek in the same terms. I guess? Dr Who is great, but it’s so much campier than anything after TOS. Also, I’ve only watched New Who. I did try watching the first old ep a while back but it wasn’t really something I could watch. But it’s such a long running series, are there any seasons of the old show that are super worth watching?
I’ll also check out Sliders.
Thanks. Downloading it now.
Oh that’s one I’ve seen. I enjoyed the first few seasons but got kind of tired it after trying to watch the first few eps of a recent season. Around the time where that spacer started hucking rocks at Earth. I don’t know how it was gonna go from there, but it was starting to feel very… supervillain has a good point so let’s make them do awful things so you can’t sympathize with them. Idk, I could probably be convinced to give it another try if people thought it got good.
civilizations, diplomacy, and exploration
Babylon 5 - It has a bit of a slow start with the first season (just the 1990's Trek shows), but it picks up about midway through season 1 and gets progressively better (higher stakes) until season 4. Season 5 is okay, and then there are series of movies, and recently even an animated show in the universe.
To add to this, they have been talking about remaking the show.
So what you’re saying is, I should watch it now so I can complain when the remake isn’t as good. /s
Babylon 5 and Farscape are great.
Babylon 5 is more like Trek with diplomacy and semi-realisitic plots, while Farscape leans a bit more toward Star Wars; fun, campy, weird at times but well-written.
You may also like Red Dwarf which is like the IT crowd, but in space.
Yass red dwarf!! Grew up watching the series on public television.
This comment includes all the shows I would also recommend.
Babylon 5 came out about the same time as Star Trek DS9. The first season is sometimes hard to get through, but well worth it. The character development and storylines are mostly excellent as they grow and intersect throughout the show. Season 5 can take or leave.
Farscape is another one where some people are turned off by the Jim Henson puppetesque characters. Another older show but has some great storylines and character development.
Red Dwarf, older British Humor, silly.
Highly recommend giving Farscape and Bab5 a try.
I found Farscape impossible to watch because of the main character. The show suffers because of the classic misogynistic writing where all the female characters are tripping over themselves to get noticed by the bland, aggressive, stupid, and overly cocky "average Joe" that was thrust into an unusual situation. It's extremely dated writing and as a woman, it really irritates me.
The rest of the show is great! But the main character just ruins it for me completely. Unfortunately that kind of writing is everywhere in older sci-fi. I started and gave up on Stargate: Atlantis for the same reason. I wish someone would release an edit with the more obnoxious parts removed because I can tell that I'm missing out on some great sci-fi but it's just unwatchable to me.
On the other hand you've got shows like ST:TNG, ST:DS9, Battlestar Galactica, even Lexx, where either women are treated with respect and not overly sexualized, or if they are sexualized then so are the men, and the men are kind, intelligent, and curteous, or if they're not then they're probably a villain.
Mmm, I know exactly what you mean. I'm tired of limp lead characters who just tick the boxes of a target demographic to self-insert into.
The Expanse suffered a bit from that (the main guy had all the magnetism of limp celery) but was saved because every single other character was genuinely interesting. Farscape had a much smaller cast, so there was no escape!
Your last line has sold me on red dwarf 😂
Its very old, be prepared for some content that is not appropriate today.
Also if you do watch it. Kryten's way of speaking is based on Robert Llewewllyns visit to vancouver canada and how he felt people in vancouver spoke, or at least thats the story i remember. Doesnt really factor into the show, i just thought it was an interesting choice given the distinct way Kryten speaks
Farscape gets... weird
I mean, the Expanse is fantastic sci fi, both book and show. It's not that Star Trek like though.
In particular I really like the episodes that deal with interacting with other civilizations, diplomacy, and exploration more-so than say, an anomaly episode.
In light of this, and since you were able to work through the not-so-stellar episodes of ST, I'd strongly argue that Babylon 5 should be your next stop.
It has a slow start, some more mixed episodes, dated special effects and both main characters (they switched after season 1) are plain "heroic American leader" types, but virtually everything else is top tier even today. An excellent political plot, humor, great characters with genuine growth.
Just be aware that it is different from DS9 (personally, I like both).
Battlestar Galactica (the new one) and The Expanse are probably worth pointing out, too. To me, they're the best high-production-value sci-fi shows that didn't sacrifice their plot. Nevertheless, both are far more grim than the shows you've mentioned and overall "feel" different.
Was going to say Babylon 5, but yeah it's very 90s at this point. I do love it very much
BSG (the 2003 remake) was amazing. So much better than the original version. And it really ushered in a new era of more gritty, darker science fiction on television. My only complaint with it was that they largely botched the ending (especially the whole Starbuck thing. But I won't elaborate on that as it is spoiler-heavy).
For All Mankind is the Star Trek prequel we should have had. Co-created by Ron Moore (Deep Space Nine, Battlestar Galactica), the show has a bunch of Trek alumni working behind the scenes. It features human drama (and sometimes melodrama), geopolitical diplomacy, sweeping cultural change and scientific adventure against the backdrop of a multi generational future history, starting with the first moon landing.
I'm going to tag on to this and say another more adult themed Sci-Fi trip you should take on Apple TV+ is Foundation. It is somewhere between GoT, The Expanse, and Star Trek. It is loosely based on the Foundation book series by Isaac Asimov. I highly recommend it.
If you have read the Foundation books, the series will piss you off. Not just because it has very little in common with the books but because it goes against what the books stood for. And the most interesting parts of the Foundation tv series are the emperor arcs, which are original and arent from the books.
It seems to me that the creator wanted to make a scifi series of his own but just used the Foundation name for branding, name dropping and some abstract story elements. And then try to marry all the elements with some inane movie alchemy bullshit.
Nice to see For All Mankind getting some love. Absolutely fantastic show, and definitely feels true to Roddenberry's vision.
Thanks. Downloading it now.
Man, FAMK was dragging its feet for me. Too slow, i could only force myself to watch the second episode before i stopped completely. Foundation however was damn good. Almost like Raised by Wolves but a different dimension.
Yeah, I just signed up for Apple TV primarily for this show! Haven’t started it yet npbut that may be my weekend
I’m curious about The Foundation as well, since that was one of my favorite book series, but I just don’t see that working on TV
As others have pointed out, Foundation isn't a particularly faithful adaptation of Asimov's stories, but there good things in it. It might be more accurately titled Foundation and Empire IMO, because it focuses as much on the Empire side of the story as the Foundation. The first season was lopsided. The Empire plotline was compelling, the Foundation ones were... not. Haven't watched the second season yet, but apparently it's more consistent.
The other science fiction series that I feel most-closely mimic the energy of Star Trek:
- Star Gate SG1/Atlantis - Episodic planetary exploration and adventure with overarching serial universe-building
- Babylon 5 - Space politics and looming galactic war (the show pitched to Paramount right before they made Deep Space Nine)
- The Orville - Space utopia and moral dilemma seen from the outside (The Next Generation with all the funny outtakes left in)
(This list is for anyone reading. Enjoy B5, OP! Let us know when you get to that part where everyone cries.)
The Expanse is an amazing sci-fi series that just gets better every season. Politics, war, discovery of new life, all within new civilizations cataloguing the early expansion of humans from the Earth to within our local system. Acting is top tier, graphics get better each season due to it's meteoric rise in popularity.
But yeah, nothing quite like those pure gold episodes of Star Trek: TNG. The new Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is more like TNG than the other series going on right now, but only has 2 seasons at this point I believe.
If you like British comedy then Red Drarf was surprisingly good imo
The summary I just read sounds great, thanks for the tip!
Ooh.. I'm not sure if a summary really can set expectations in this case. But do give it a try! It's silly but it's hilarious.
+1 for Red Dwarf. Cheesy in a great way
I don't know if you gave Stargate Atlantis a try. It doesn't reach the heights of SG1, but it has it's moments and is enjoyable overall.
Stargate Universe was awesome. I will die on this hill.
Season 1 has some rough episodes, but the second season was great.
We watched Atlantis then some of the movies. When we looked into SGU it was on a different streaming service and we read it wasn’t great and got canceled early. Still worth seeing the little that’s there? Does it feel like it got to end on its own terms or is the cutoff jarring?
Yeah, SG1 was outstanding, SG:Atlantis had its moments but was annoying, SGU was just bad.
I personally couldn’t get into SGU. I don’t know how it ends because I never finished it. It felt like it was trying too hard to be like the Battlestar Galactica reboot.
The obvious answers are outside TV media.
Mass Effect 1, the video game, was originally conceived as a Star Trek game, but they couldn't secure the IP rights, so ended up pivoting to a new universe that feels Star Trek like. Play it on story mode.
In print, there are literally a hundred reasonable options, some more or less like different elements of Trek. A good choice (in my opinion) is The Spiral Wars -- rogue ship and crew, diplomacy, great combat, alien civilizations that are non-monolithic... Or CJ Cherryh's Alliance Union universe (a good entry point is Downbelow Station, a good overview of the universe) -- many different scenarios and topics and a lot of ethical dilemmas that would make Trek proud.
Of course, if TV is your thing, try out Babylon 5, Stargate, or Farscape. They all sort of start slow.
If you're not into games I can recommend the excellent playthroughs by NitaZera. There's no player commentary, just pure game. It's like watching a TV show. Of course you miss out on making your own choices but the author has made sure to pick interesting ones. There is continuity because the events of each game (and the choices) build on each other.
The way you describe it reminds me of Primitive Technologies.
Thanks for your post even though it wasnt for meant for me!
Or CJ Cherryh's Alliance Union universe (a good entry point is Downbelow Station, a good overview of the universe)
I didn’t see this before posting my own comment about The Faded Sun trilogy by her. It’s in the same universe
I played through ME1-3. I didn't know it was inspired by Star Trek but I could see it. I will say to anyone else that reads this, ME 1 feels really old and janky at this point. I got through it and enjoyed the story, but the gameplay was an unpleasant experience. ME 2 and 3 do a lot better in that regard, but then you have to get disappointed by the end of 3... so...
Highly recommend the Culture Novels by Iain M Banks. They're not necessarily family friendly due to some adult themes and moments, but diplomacy, exploration and intrigue are the main focuses with a bit of action sprinkled in.
I don't understand, aren't you supposed to start it all over again from the beginning and continue until your death? Are you allowed to watch ST just once?
I'll have to rewatch it in a few years to refresh my memory enough so I can keep saying "This is like this one episode of Star Trek" to my friends all the time.
When you rewatch, make sure to listen to the Greatest Generation podcast, if you're into nerdy film guys who worked in the industry making insightful analysis alongside dick and fart jokes.
This is what i do. Star Trek playlist gets put on when i’ve got nothing else to watch. Random episodes of all trek is my happy place.
... (or maybe some books)...
.Then how about the Bobiverse series? That should fit the bill perfectly. Even has a Riker! I'm a big fan of the audio books.
And definitely Project Hail Mary as a one off.
And maybe Expeditionary Force. That one is a bit much militaristic for my taste but I got to love the audio books anyways.
Expeditionary Force is great fun, but it's also a huge commitment. There's 16 books so far plus spin-offs (that are required reading) and even an Amazon-exclusive radio play.
I haven't seen Battlestar Galactica mentioned here. Great sci-fi show, although there is pretty much no alien life to speak of. Instead it's a juggling act between humans and the robots they created, in space. I'd almost say it's a long-form version of Blade Runner, where the robots actually beat humanity and forced them to run from Earth for survival.
If you want something that's in the vein of episodic sci fi and is family friendly, try find Seaquest DSV.
In that same vein again, i would recommend Andromeda as it was created by Gene Roddenberry but the lead was Kevin Sorbo who had gone full maga mode, so maybe pirate that one 😁
Edit: did you also watch all of Stargate Atlantis & Universe?
Watched Atlantis but not Universe. It was on another streaming service and we read it got canceled relatively quickly. Still worth a try?
I enjoyed it. It's a different vibe to the others but still enjoyable. A lot of human drama and tensions
If you like reading leftist utopian sci-fi, it doesn't get much better than The Culture series by Iain M. Banks. It gets dark though!
Blake's 7: 70s BBC, cheesy FX, some great acting and a largely unprincipled crew which is fun.
Space 1999: if you had enjoyed TOS more you would love this: outlandish 70s episodic antiphysics
Vagrant Queen: space opera SyFy show that's pretty funny. Some blood, one season
Andromeda: Season 1 is okay
Babylon 5 is the show you're looking for :)
Andromeda really picks up in season 2. Not a amazing, but it's very good.
@CerealKiller01 it does, but then it puts it back down before the season is done. I think Trance's tail left with most of the show's charm and remaining seasons had to consume Tyr's armspines for energy; by the time the armspines were depleted it was a pure scorn-watch for me. I finished it of course :)
Doctor Who is essentially Britain's louder Star Trek.
I've mention a couple of shows in some replies but thought of some others so ill but them all here for both of our convenience
Based on this part of what you were asking fyi.
I really like the episodes that deal with interacting with other civilizations, diplomacy, and exploration more-so than say, an anomaly episode.
Space oriented
Firefly
Farscape
Lexx (maybe i didnt watch it, just caught some episodes here and there memory is foggy)
If you like the idea of a show about just the startrek episodes where they go back in time to various points in earth history and especially alternate earth history then i have the perfect show for you Its very similar to stargate in set up but not at all the same show
Sliders (this one and firefly are my top 2 picks for episodic style shows)
Honorable mentions
for just good space sci fi but more drama driven
Space: Above and Beyond
Battlestar Galactica (I never saw the original so cant recommend it)
Babylon 5
Maybe even Doctor Who? And Torchwood (these might be getting a bit off topic now)
For novels, i would recommend
Battletech books¹
¹read in chronological order. The universe of battletech has a big time scale all the collected stories take place over. You do get some spoilers here and there but i think not knowing what events took place ready when the authors wrote their book adds some good flavour to the overall experience
Twilight Zone
The Outer Limits
I don’t see Firefly mentioned yet. Also if you liked TOS, try the 70’s Buck Rogers.
Watched Firefly and loved it. Too bad it got canceled before it's time.
This was probably something I should have said in the OP, but TOS is definitely my least favorite of the franchise. (outside of some of the new stuff.) We watched the first few episodes, bounced off the camp, went on to watch TNG and beyond, then eventually looped back around to it. This time we did finish it. It has it's moments and I can appreciate what made it special for its time, but it just feels inferior to everything that came after it. To me, TNG is the thing of when I think of Star Trek more-so than the original.
Not quite what you wanted, but the Alien Nation TV series is pretty good, if you don't mind a little buddy cop drama in your science fiction.
The Expanse is the best sci-fi TV show in recent memory. Though it's not really close to Star Trek.
There's so much modern Trek at this point I don't even know if that's necessary.
Anyway, I'd say I see a ton of overlap between liking Trek and liking The Expanse, although it's more political and less "alien of the week diplomacy". Still, it goes places, give it a look.
For me and a few other fans Discovery and first 2 seasons of Picard don’t exist. Season 3 of Picard and Strange New Worlds I like.
I don't like any Picard and I do really like all of Discovery.
But even then, there's so much right now that even discarding those there are two animated series and one live action show left. That's still quite a bit of homework. And given that Picard and Disco are divisive but not universally hated, I'd say if you're into Trek you still want to check those out and see if they're for you or not.
Black mirror, especially the early seasons
I liked the "Lost in Space" series, tbh... Exploring is key lost in space on alien planets.
So I’m totally taken in by the Chinese series Three Body. Technically it fits the description of “humans interacting with aliens” but nothing like Star Trek. Well, humans are united & at peace with each other but boy-howdy is it dark stuff when it comes to alien-human interaction. And it’s hard sci-fi. Like, the aliens will take centuries to get here.
I thought 3 body was a book, not tv series
It is a book. China turned it into a faithful-to-the-book TV series in 2023. It is available in the USA on Amazon Prime Video.
Last I heard the Game of Thrones guys were adapting it into a series but I don't think it's out yet.
I’ve been listening to The Fade. Sun trilogy audiobook by C J Cherryh.
The best way to describe it in Star Trek terms is if imagine that Kazon were hired by Romulans to act as mercenaries to fight the Federation. Except the Romulans are giant blobs. And the story is mainly told from the Kazon perspective.
What about star Trek books? There's hundreds of them.
I'm gonna change my comment from Kryton to Kryten. Im not gonna look at confirm that it is correct, im just going to assume you are!
Seemingly not mentioned so far has been "Battlestar Galactica" (the 2000s version). Less about exploration, more about survival, with action, character development, and philosophical/religious questions.
Stargate is most world exploration. The Expanse. Sliders.
"War Of The Wingmen" and "Ensign Flandry" by Poul Anderson. Anderson was the master of creating new worlds and alien races.