Judge in New York fraud trial threatens to jail Trump for violating gag order
Judge in New York fraud trial threatens to jail Trump for violating gag order
Judge Arthur Engoron said Trump left up a post on his campaign website "an untrue and disparaging post about my clerk."
That orange fucker needs to see some consequences for his actions for once.
More than him -- our nations people.
When Nixon fucked around he stepped down. In doing so, he said to the American people "what I did was wrong and I recognize that."
Trump won't admit wrongdoing. He's been indicted on fucking 90 counts. Until he is actually punished, his followers will only see that they can try to do the same.
Society needs to renounce him, fully, or were fucked.
He won’t
I think part of the problem is that jailing him would just make him more powerful to his supporters. I honestly think Trump wants to be jailed for this shit.
It doesn't matter what his little cult of idiots think, he should be bound by the same laws as everyone else.
It would deplatform him and that's the best way to kill the movement for anyone but the most radical.
We can see that in Canada with the far right party that medias had the legal obligation to cover during the last campaign (because of high enough vote intentions based on surveys), after the campaign (and after not winning a single seat) their social medias lost 80% of its audience based on the number of likes and shares. The followers just stopped caring because they weren't all over the news anymore.
Get Trump off the news and off social media and his chance of winning the primary will become zero.
Why do we care about the karens who are still supoorting this guy? They'll cry about him being in jail and then get distracted by the next bit of ragebait. We have to stop treading on eggshells around these people.
He can't spout off bullshit at campaign rallies if he's behind bars for contempt of court.
In response, Trump's defense attorney, Chris Kise said, "Based on my understanding this was truly inadvertent."
"The Truth Social post was taken down when the court asked," Kise said. "Truth Social was taken down and Trump never made any more comments about court staff, but it appears no one took it down on the campaign website. It is unfortunate and I apologize on behalf of my client."
Whoops! My bad. All good here, nothing to see.
Oh, that's bullshit. He has some sort of fetish about being thrown in jail over campaign speech. It is no accident they left it up there. "Biden locked me up because he is afraid of my campaign!!!1!!1111!!1!one!"
It's easy. He gets thrown in jail, him and his cronies get to paint him as a martyr. It's all he has left
Fetish is probably exactly the right word. He idolizes Hitler. Jan 6 was his Beer Hall Putsch, next he needs to get convicted, give a really long speech about being wildly more antiemetic and patriotic than anyone could ever imagine and then he needs to sit in a cushy prison cell where he can "write" his version of Mien Kampf.
"We're terribly, terribly sorry about being caught."
Not like Trump ever lied to his lawyers.
Like all the times he said he'd really pay them this time?
Honestly as much as I hate the guy I can kinda see how that could happen.
I can see how the post got mirrored automatically and they lost track of it, sure, but remember that he posted the damn thing in the first place. All he had to do was to choose, for once in his life, to not be an asshole.
I look forward to never hearing the name Trump again.
Unfortunately I don't think we will ever stop hearing his name, Hitler has been dead for almost 80 years and we still hear his almost daily.
Hitler was much more impactful though, he is directly responsible for the deaths of tens of millions and a war that devastated countries around the globe.
Trump is a corrupt politician who was too incompetent to accomplish what his handlers wanted. He wants to be a Mussolini, he just isn’t capable.
That can't happen soon enough.
Judges parenting baby Trump:
I’m gonna count to 3!
1…
2…
2 and a half…
2 and three quarters…
almost 3…
seriously really almost 3…
You're not wrong, but there is a reason for it. The judge(s) are trying to show that they gave Trump every chance to follow their orders before throwing him in jail. It may have seemed like a really like time to us, but by court standards it's not.
But instead fined him $5,000. This headline is stupid.
I am not a lawyer, but my first thought is that you cannot pass a six figure (or more) fine for this kind of infraction. Even though Trump is starting to show a pattern of disregarding this specific case’s proceedings, the judge would have to start at a reasonable amount and go up from there. In this case, I searched for reasonable fines for violating a gag order and got $1000 to $10000. If he handed down a $500,000 fine then the media / right would go crazy questioning if this fine was justified by Trump’s actions. I think we all know that regardless of the sum (barring $100,000+ fines), Trump is gonna disregard the fine and do it again. But doing so gets Trump closer to actually being imprisoned (in theory). The actual threat of being imprisoned is far more likely to quiet Trump than a monetary fee. ‘Tis the life of the (comparatively) rich, monetary fines don’t have the same sticking power as for you and I.
There are many other countries, including some with some shared legal history with the US, where civil fines are proportional to the income and/or wealth of the person. Rich people get four or five or six figure traffic tickets, etc.
All gag orders are not equal. Given this one was due to what amounts to a threat against his staff, I find it unlikely most judges in other circumstances would have let this happen with such flagrant disregard for the order without jail time. The fact is, Trump supporters are violent, and this judge is scared of that violence. A slap on the wrist is all he had the courage to do, and I'm doubtful anything will change with this judge going forward. He just knows how appalling it is to have his hard working and innocent staff threatened and reacted like someone with a spine momentarily, and then he realized he doesn't have one and walked it back.
The entire thing is theater.
That's refreshingly rational, all things considered. Thank you.
Stop threatening it. Anyone else would already be behind bars right now. Follow through.
Nobody is above the law. Trump has been fucking around for too long and needs to find out his actions have consequences.
This geriatric fuck hasn’t seen a single consequence in his whole life, would be nice to see literally anything be done
Nobody is above the law? That remains to be seen
Remember in 2011, when Dominique Strauss-Kahn (powerful French politician and head of the IMF) was arrested , for raping a maid at the hotel he'd been staying at? And the reaction from France was all Why would you do such a thing?!, and the American reaction to France was Why wouldn't we - no one is above the law!
I really miss those days.
Nobody is above the law.
Patently false. Anyone else behaving as Trump has and indicted on the array of charges he is would be waiting for trial from a jail cell.
Whatever happens to him now, it will be far less than would have happened to you or I had we committed the same crimes.
Nobody is above the law.
It should be true. I want to make it true. But it sure doesn't seem to be true at present.
"Nobody is above the law"
-citation needed
Fucking do it already!
The headline is incorrect. The corrected version should read: "Judge in NY fraud trial threatens to jail Trump for violating gag order, ends up doing nothing."
These people need to shit or get off the pot already. This really is a legalese version of "I'm going to count to three......"
The headline is incorrect, but yours isn't much better.
It should read "Judge asks Trump to explain why he shouldn't be sanctioned or jailed". Because this is what the judge actually said:
I will now allow the defendant to explain why this should not end up with serious sanctions or I could possibly imprison him
Never in the history of our country has a president been indicted so many times. Over so many many alleged crimes. Truly a rigged two tiered just system allowing an indicted former president, storing TS/SCI documents in his bathroom, who has a history of over sharing, and flushing government documents, could remain free, instead of immured in a black-site hole, in pre-trial detainment. Reality Winner was sentenced to five years and three months and she didn't even get to share how close our submarines could get to Russian Subs without being detected. For shame!
so many many
allegedcrimes.This isn't a court of law and you aren't a corporation. You're allowed to acknowledge his thoroughly proven (and in some cases even brag-admitted) guilt for what it is. Nobody's going to sue you for telling the truth and nobody reasonable is going to complain either.
Most prominently, Trump is a public figure, so a lawsuit would have to prove malice intent.
I can say Trump is guilty all day long because I have free political speech, and honest intent.
To be fair, a decent amount of presidents probably should have been indicted. Trump does take the cake on how directly connected he is to obvious crimes. He's definitely the dumbest in that regard.
Here's what I would do: Trump is ordered to write a formal apology letter to the clerk in which he disavows the spurious claims outlaid in his post, he must record himself reading the letter and post it to his website for at least 2 months. Or he can go to jail for contempt of court.
This way he either does something he definitely does not want to do (admit fault) or go to jail and because he 'holds the keys to his cell' so to speak, his claims of being wrongfully imprisoned would be hollow.
Unfortunately I believe there is a long case history that prevents courts from forcing them to say things as it violates the 1st amendment. Similar to forcing engineers to write code that puts "backdoors" into security systems.
I think he literally couldn't bring himself to make the apology, though. He's way too much of a narcissist.
Honestly this is a really great plan. It put the whole thing on him. Though sadly he would just do that sing song baby voice he uses and it would sound like he was mocking the apology
His claim of being wrongfully imprisoned is already hollow, his supporters are going to believe it regardless of the hoops
Also not apologizing/admitting fault is a point of price for them
Wow 5000 dollars to someone worth 9 figures
Fuck threats, fucking do it goddammit
Stop making empty threats. If this had been anyone else, they would have been in jail years ago. But we're a nation of corrupt men and not of laws.
If you're ever unsure whether there are separate judicial systems for the aristocrats and the poors, try threatening a judge while not rich and see how many warnings you get.
Your average citizen would go straight to jail. Trump is just threatened.
Oh I am sure this stern warning will do the trick.
Do it, you fucking coward.
Lock him up!
Please do it!
Hell to the yeah.
DO IT.
"Threatens"
crickets
“Threatens”
crimes
So the argument is they did take it down from Truth Social, but it remained on the campaign website? I mean, I GUESS that's plausible deniability... but still feels intentional.
Folks, it’s not like Trump can afford to pay lackeys or webmasters to do things. Stuff like this is just gonna slip through the cracks. He doesn’t have millions in campaign contributions pouring in from dumb fuck sycophants as a direct result of these charges!
/s
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The judge presiding over Donald Trump’s $250 million civil fraud trial in New York raised the possibility on Friday of putting the former president in prison after Trump failed to comply with a partial gag order requiring him to remove a post trashing the judge's law clerk on social media.
Judge Arthur Engoron said in court on Friday morning that Trump had posted on his social media account "an untrue and disparaging post about my clerk" and that he spoke to the former president about the matter.
He continued, "Despite this order, last night I learned the offending post was never removed from a website.
Engoron said the post remained on Trump's 2024 campaign website for 17 days and was removed late Thursday night after the court emailed him.
In response, Trump's defense attorney, Chris Kise said, "Based on my understanding this was truly inadvertent."
"Truth Social was taken down and Trump never made any more comments about court staff, but it appears no one took it down on the campaign website.
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This turd has been threatened with jail too much. Neither he nor his sycophants believe it. Call their bluff!
Effectively, still no consequences.
JUST DO IT
If they truly took it out on truth social and not on the campaign website their claim of oversight might work, but repeats won’t go over so well.
Shit or get off the pot.
So...it's an empty threat because he was already told not to do it.
Just fucking do it.
Trump and his supporters think he's above the law. I hope they'll show that he's not.
I truly believe he'll never see the inside of a jail cell because the powers that run the country are terrified of what his nutcase acolytes will do.