Americans, take note, Zelenskyy is a man who will debase himself for the good of his country. Karma tends to be a huge asshole when it comes to stuff like this.
Americans, take note, Zelenskyy is a man who will debase himself for the good of his country. Karma tends to be a huge asshole when it comes to stuff like this.
it was very disrespectful, that’s not how a host treats a guest.
JD’s tactic is well known in the psychological manipulation menu and it was extremely rude.
he wasn't even listening, he had his bullshit ready to go. he said "did you ever say thank you" when zelenskyy literally started talking by saying thank you in that very meeting.
The EU policy secretary (I don't remember the exact position) said after that meeting that the free world needs a new leader and she hopes Europe is up for the challenge.
The EU has spent more on Russian oil and gas than it has committed to Ukraine. Why has the EU failed to make any significant diplomatic progress in the past three years? Meanwhile, it takes Donald Trump only a month to bring everyone to the table, and yet his approach seems to draw criticism. What accounts for this disparity?
what's trump's asshole really taste like?
smells like shit from here, but your tongue so far up his rectum I bet you've got the inside scoop
I don't know, "unconditional surrender" and "extortion" don't sound like good diplomacy, but maybe it's just me.
Wow you're a real scumbag
Bad troll.
He precisely DID NOT bring Ukraine to the table.
Go on troll, GIT. GIT OUTTA HERE, GIT
Americans, take note, Zelenskyy is a competent, thoughtful leader who isn’t a rapist or a coward, or a cock holster for Putin.
I’d rather have Zelenskyy than Elon.
Can you imagine that some idiots were turned against Zelensky - it's insane. One of true contemporary heroes.
When someone gets you a really crappy birthday present but your parents make you write a thank you letter anyway.
I like how he thanked the president on the social media platform he owns, that's a nice touch.
I am so profoundly ashamed to be an American right now.
I feel like a lot of the world is feeling some sort of satisfaction like "we told you the USA fucking sucked"
I can't even begin to describe how profoundly ashamed I am to be "represented" by this piece of human garbage.
Fuck every last person who voted for them.
I hope you guys can channel that shame into enough action to fix your country.
Preferably before these "elected representatives" start a shooting war on your behalf.
You just "your mom" 'd so many people with that last sentence. 😂
I’m absolutely disgusted and enraged.
I honestly don't want to say I am an American anymore, yet I am a full on (non-white) citizen.
So Americans CAN feel shame wrt their federal government! What an absolutely unexpected discovery, after all these years.
If you voted Democrat, or for some reason weren't able to vote, don't be.
Counterpoint: you should have been ashamed a long, long time ago.
Holy shit I just watched a 7 minute clip. That was a hard watch. What a couple of clowns.
I wild chicken would've been less disrespectful and a better conversation.
american here.
watching the video of trump and vance yelling at an ally in need of help because he said "thank you" at the wrong time is insulting. dear president zelensky: i am so sorry you have to interact with that donut and his side of coffee. you, sir, are a classy fellow who deserves to be respected.
It's worse. He said "don't tell us what to feel" when it's a mother fucking figure of fucking speech and he was trying to explain (yes EXPLAIN because they are like children not understanding that they are under obligation to defend the baltics) that they will be affected soon enough if they don't help... Meanwhile he was being extorted... And they just asked Trump what historic figure he would say he was..... I'm so sad because it will stop being funny when the killings begin, and it's clear none of the sycophants have any resemblance of humanity left, it's just a raw psychosis centered around a pretty senile and wholly ignorant narcissist
trump and vance yelling at an ally in need of help because he said "thank you" at the wrong time
That isn't what they were doing at all.
They were yelling at an enemy in hopes of provoking him, in order to manufacture a justification for their own treachery.
As Americans, we need to understand that Trump is unilaterally forcing the US to switch sides -- to betray NATO and join Russia and North Korea as pariah dictatorships -- and we need to decide what we're going to do about it.
Exactly. They were hoping that Zelenskyy wouldn’t just turn the other cheek. Because if Zelenskyy got agitated, they would use it as justification for cutting all ties.
Take up arms.
I couldn't even make it through a minute without rage building up and had to turn off the video. That he could sit there and put up with that ridiculous circus without getting up and leaving or punching them in the face is amazing. I could not do that. I'm pissed off again writing this and being reminded of the short video I watched.
If you can give it another look it’s worth it to just see how adept and tough Zelenskyy is, they couldn’t shake him and get him to make a real error. They come out looking terrible and most folks will like Zelenskyy more than ever.
I couldn’t watch that shit either. Gotta admit, I’m a little relieved that it is the general consensus that they were being major dicks.
Fucking moron keeps bringing up Hunter Biden even in peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. What a disgrace Trump is.
A very small part of me wants to believe the “he’s playing 4D chess, he’s six moves ahead, and we just can’t see his next play yet” MAGAts. Because the only other alternative is that he’s a fully senile idiot who holds the most powerful seat in the country. And unfortunately for my sanity, I know his actions are not due to genius.
When he tries to gaslight on live TV and thinks nobody notices when he takes credit for random things and say random years to look not ignorant, it's not under any consideration excepting a psychosis
What do you mean "debase"? I see an adult acting as one. Maybe it looks a little weird next to the behavior of vhildr.
Because he is thanking Trump after they treated him like crap. He is doing the adult thing for diplomacy, but had he had no war situation Thanking somebody for being overly douchey to you would be considered debasing yourself
This just makes me reflect on how many Americans, even Trump voters, are basically screaming from the rooftops that Trump is doing real harm to them, and maybe, just maybe, that message will actually be heard.
Then I remember that he's replaced just about everyone who can get into earshot of him with an echo chamber of what-the-fuckary. Absolute useless humans, who will shield Trump from hearing about any negatives from the decisions he's making.
Everything they're saying to the public is spin. It might be based in fact, somewhere in the background, but it's so far divulged from that truth that it's difficult to even tell what true thing was spun this hard to generate the things they're saying. There's a nontrivial amount of it that's just outright fabrications.
I'm not an American and I couldn't vote in the US election. I'm your neighbor to the North and all I could do was watch, in horror, as the vote went to the orange party.
Rewatched the first half of "Civil War" again (shout out to my boy insomnia -.-) last night.
It's very close to the bone in a lot of places.
This isn't debasement. This is manners.
Manners are about you thanking the host, not about the pigs you dined with. Sometimes, the host IS the pig. But it's still about you, so cast them some pearls.
You've been downvoted, but you're right.
Folks, this is what debasement is:
debasement noun
The act of debasing or the state of being debased; a lowering, especially in character or quality.
What Zelenskyy did was the exact opposite of that: by putting his personal pride aside for the good of Ukraine despite Trump and Vance trying to double-team him with the worst bullying they could muster, he showed incredible strength of character and statesmanship.
Make no mistake: this was not Zelenskyy showing weakness or fealty towards Trump. This was Zelenskyy jumping through the hoops necessary to deny the bullies credibility for their claims that he was not cooperating towards peace. His graciousness just sets him further above them, in terms of diplomatic credibility.
In the damn near no-win scenario Zelenskyy is in, this was as close to a victory as he could possibly have hoped for.
You do not think that Zelensky "lowered himself" by absorbing all that abuse, not responding to it at all, and instead praising his abusers? You can describe that as "manners" or "self control" or "civilized" or whatever else you want, and all those things may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that he lowered himself. He acted as though he were socially beneath Trump and Vance. We can all see that. Yes, it was the correct thing, and the dignified thing to do. But to claim he didn't lower himself, didn't debase himself, is warped. It's trying to spin the situation by denying the obvious, recasting it as something else.
Then I have no manners and am fine with it.
That's fine, just don't seek leadership. Zelenskyy is a class act for this and I'm all the more ashamed of America for it.
Trump is way better at this.
He's willing to debase an entire country!
😏
It's said POTUS instead of President Trump, so it's not a valid thanks for Trump.
I don't get it, what happened?
Baiscally, POTUS invited Zelenskyy to the White House for a meeting to discuss potential terms for a peace deal with Russia. In a press conference, Trump and Vance basically blamed Zelenskyy for the war, told him that by not capitulating to US and Russian demands, he was gambling with WWIII, said that Ukraine doesn't have any "cards" - that they can't have a say in peace deals involving them, and literally started yelling at him and lost any sense of decorum. All of this was after Zelenskyy proposed a version of Trump's "give us all your rare earth minerals" plan that involved US Ukranian mining partnership - so already a partial capitulation.
It was a... bad... PR and diplomatic decision. It weakens US leadership globally, further erodes soft power, is going to make China evaluate if Taiwan has "cards" in the way that Ukraine does not, etc. It was disastrous for US foreign policy and further marks a decline in its importance glabally.
Zelensky went to the white house for a mineral deal in exchange for security guarantees.
Then Trump said you have no leverage and sent Zelensky away. Probably forgetting about the minerals which were Zelensky leverage.
what's the specific context here?
Trump and Vance invited Zelenskyy to the White House, only to talk trash about him.
Vance asked if Zelenskyy has ever thanked for their aid. Zelenskyy responded that he has done that many times.
It's . . . stunning.
was at white house today, it’s all over the news
