I would actually want to see conservatives (who doesn't currently support trump) come and debate stuff.
I don't agree with them, but I want to see what their perspective is.
Having a conservative community on a non-corporate site would help prevent the most extreme opinions of the right-wing and minimize russian propaganda (because we have manual applications). Give them a space here, allows them to be exposed to opposing views, preventing far-right extremism.
(Obviously, the trumpers are too far gone and we shouldn't platform them. Racism, sexism and stuff like that should Never be allowed)
I agree, but most Lemmings seem to be completely intolerant of right of center views. I've never seen any content in that community that's right of center without being downvoted into oblivion.
If Lemmings just don't want other views here, that's fine, it just kind of sucks when all I get is an echo chamber.
Maybe you should consider why that is. After several decades of "right center" politics being like "we promise we're not crypto fascists" ultimately enabling Trump, you are still confused about why people are so hostile to those exact same narratives?"
We have an echo for the chamber, that is true, but the antidote is not right wing views, the right wing has lost any credibility after Trump.
I'm probably center left for lemmy, and that is what we need more of. Lemmy is heavily moded by very VERY left people that like to ban anyone that dares disagree
This seems to come from the assumption that right wing views have equal validity and exist on an equal footing, but they just don't.
Right wing autoritarian attitudes are just whatever is propped up by the propaganda of the prevailing hierarchy. They're blasted out of mainstream news outlets everyday. They don't survive on merit, but on funding.
Like honestly, if you want to hear what conservatives have to say, go watch their news, listen to their pundits, join their social media apps, but if you've got half a brain then you shouldn't be surprised that it's just a pile of callow, self-serving bullshit. You will be disappointed. You won't see a reasonable debate of the ideas.
Like this is an open system. Anyone can make an instance. You know why right wing instances just... aren't? Because they can't stop themselves from being bigots, which most people hate, actually, and gets them yeeted, so they don't thrive here. It's not some conspiracy or bias, it's just what happens when assholes aren't shielded by some big daddy corporation. They can't hack it.
"Right of center views" currently means lies, propaganda, and reality denial. I do not consider myself a leftist (though I do agree with leftists on a lot of things) nor a communist, but there is absolutely nothing of value the current right offers.
I do agree Lemmy (and Reddit) are echo chambers. The real solution? Go outside. However, you'll likely find most people are very apathetic (and easily fooled) but not necessarily right leaning.
It’s also how flat earthers started. 4chan started satirically memeing about flat earth. Then idiots saw it, missed the satire, and picked it up as a serious thing. At that point, 4chan went “this is funnier than any satire we could make” and stood back to watch the crazies launch rockets into the upper atmosphere.
Flat earthers have been around (heh) for centuries. It's mostly a religious thing in order to rebuke science in order to keep people stupid. There's a passage in the bible that refrences the four corners of the earth that gets refrenced by these people as proof. It's a way to keep people in their cult, because the outsiders are the ones who are tricked into beleiving in round earth ftom scientists.
4chan's downfall was mainstream media telling everyone that Nazis were on the site, so all the Nazis who were watching mainstream media went to 4chan and without moot running it, they were allowed to fester.
On some level I'd like there to be an actual conservative sub since I like to check in on the Reddit alternative's goings on and what their takes on this or that is. But I can understand why some wouldn't want to share a platform with those people. Some of the stuff is pretty bad
/r/conservative is not comprised of real conservative people, it only exists to expose "normie" redditors to MAGA propoganda while giving the MAGA movement the pretense of legitimacy.
On one hand it'd be nice to be able to have some discussion about what sort of government involvement is needed in society. But at least in terms of the US, until the overton window puts some healthy distance between it and fascism, there's zero point in talking to cons online. They're literally unwilling to accept reality or basic facts-- what's the point?
I don't really engage often with them, I'm just interested in hearing how they view stuff, how it differs from me, how they reconcile this and that and so on.
You have to realize that the con subs on reddit are mostly engaged by Russian trolls to stoke arguments and traffic. Reddit periodically goes through these bans and temporarily gets rid of the trolls and the site becomes much more pleasant and quiet
The fatal flaw of the internet is that you can find people who are into similar obscure stuff that you're into, but that also means the nazis can also find each other
Well the biggest problem is that the fuck does conservatism want to conserve?
Selling off parks, betraying labor, violating people's right to self determination...
If you mean Republicans, those are open fascists.
The ones doing any amount of conservation are Democrats, but eventually one realizes nimby liberalism is just the slower road to fascism as it always bends the knee to corporate interests. We wouldn't be here if this wasn't true.
The "responsible adults" in the room are either spineless cowards, incompetent dupes, or malicious insider trading bad actors themselves.
Between the Business Plot and the lack of any action against cellar boxing American corporations into bankruptcy and predatory economic bubbles it becomes ever clearer the goal of the entire system is to fleece the poor masses to make the rich minority ever richer.
It was entirely abandoned, and that was just the latest set of mods. From what I understand, the .world version has been through three sets of mods.
Most serious conservatives around here just want to spread hate and misinformation anyways, should have seen what happened to the .ee version mods, removed by the instance admins because they were doing shit like quickly resolving reports so the admins didn't see them to allow crap like Nazi celebratory posts to stay up.
I obviously cannot tell you what to do, but I ask that you rethink this decision. Jokes are jokes until they aren't (see sigma male culture). People will unblock the sub for memes until the forum is hijacked by actual propagandists and poisons the well.
I genuinely believe satire (including memes) was one of the worst things to come from humanity. Because most people on this space-rock are dumb-as-rocks, and cannot tell the difference between a joke and an idea. So your spicy meme becomes their thesis paper.
I think you might be on one of the others, .world is the one going satire lol
For various reasons, .ee version they were removed because they weren't taking care of things, SJW version was just abandoned and I think .world was also abandoned
I think pretty much all conservative communities seem like satire much of the time. Hard to believe they'd actually be posting stuff other than to make fun of whoever made it.
Come on come all its time for cm002 to post the exact same shit that's already all over Lemmy but now in another place!
Y'all already have the entire goddamn website dedicated to shitting on conservatives 24/7. Making yet another place to do it is just repetitive and unnecessary.
I don't care for most conservative bullshit either, but at least it was nice seeing the random post that wasn't exactly the same as every other goddamn sub on this site.
How am I supposed to curate my own Lemmy when conservative subs are turned into crappy meme factory's poking fun at the conservatives which is already what all of the other subs fucking do.
This is like building a Starbucks across the street from another Starbucks and then telling me to find coffee somewhere else when all the fucking coffee places in a 10 mile radius have already been bought out and converted to yet another goddamn Starbucks.