Nintendo applying for anti-Palworld patents in the US with a whopping 22 out of 23 rejected, but "they are fighting"
Nintendo applying for anti-Palworld patents in the US with a whopping 22 out of 23 rejected, but "they are fighting"
Nintendo vs Pocketpair could come to US soil
How does that work exactly? You can't retroactively sue someone over a patent before it was granted... in fact, once you realize the mechanic was already out there, and patent shouldn't be granted at all.
They're just so used to pissing all over everything that they don't realize when they're pissing in the wind and getting it all over their reputation.
I assume that's why there's a 95% rejection rate, they're just fumbling to find any mechanics that haven't already been used in other games.
And even then, the US patent office often will grant unenforceable patents, that then explode in the patent holder's faces the first time they try to use them.
The granted one in this case is about "the process of aiming and capturing characters", which they either had to make so specific as to not apply to anybody else, or general enough that there are piles of prior art out there.
It would take time in the court for people to figure that out and they would use ill-granted patents like a hammer.
Indie: Release a new game with unique catching mechanic
Nintendo: "REEEEEE! We have valid patent, so give us all of your profit, assets plus penalty or we will sue you to make you die poor like that one Gary Bowser over there."
Indie: "WTF?"
Even if Indie developers try to fight in court, they'll spend multiple years, hundred of thousands of dollars in legal fees and on top of that, because Nintendo have a patent that was stupidly granted by patent office, they can argue on a ground that their lawsuit is not frivolous.
Valve almost died as a company, because of those sort of people before if you watched their documentary, they only won, because the mega-corporation emailed about destroying the evidence.
In Japan, the patents they filed for were "extensions" of existing older patents. The new patents "updated" the old patents and could be used as if they filed when the original patent was. So they were able to file patents after Palworld came out, and then sue as if the patents existed before Palworld. Seems like bullshit to me, but I'm not a lawyer.
I don't know if a similar mechanic can be used in the US patent system or not.
Seems like bullshit to me, but I’m not a lawyer.
The Japanese patent system is so, so much worse than the US one. Where things like what you just described are possible. Honestly, Palworld is probably hosed over there. Palworld made a system years ago, Nintendo then patented it, and Nintendo is going to beat them over the head with their Japanese patent.
In the US, a solid defense to a patent claim is to show prior art. In this case, Palworld's dev can point to Palworld as the prior art if Nintendo sues them; Nintendo's patent existed after Palworld did. Palworld's dev can also point to a giant mountain of prior art of other games that allow one to throw an object to capture a monster.
Palworld wouldn't have been half as popular without Nintendo's constant push to take it down.
It's the literal reason I bought it and have never even played
Fuck Nintendo. Vote with your wallets and don't buy a Switch 2, get a Steam Deck or other similar portable gaming handheld.
It's frustrating how often people need to be reminded of this. Nintendo has repeatedly shown incredible hostility to their greatest fans over the years, and they show no signs of stopping.
They've also done immeasurable harm to game preservation, to their own library and others. I cannot ever forgive them for this. Unless you play games in whatever specific way is blessed at the time, they will make every effort to sabotage it. Please do not enable this behavior.
Well said, I agree 100%
I really want to grab one of the new handhelds, seem so nice, I feel guilty almost playing games on my pc, when I could be using it for other stuff, playing on consoles fine so it might be time to transition to a linux handheld for the ocassional pc games.
(Like it could be rendering for my other hobby with 3d, instead of the gpu going to games)
I'm going to buy a switch two, which they usually sell the hardware for close to cost. Then I'm gonna leave it in the box and wait until a mod chip comes out that lets me play every game for free.
Just get an emulator for the steam deck
It's cheap becuaus it's as powerful as an old phone.
Just get an emulator on PC / Steam Deck. The most likely reason Nintendo went so hard on Switch emulators last year is because they will be able to emulate Switch 2 games with little tweaking (probably just new keys / BIOS). They've confirmed it's backwards compatible with Switch games, which strongly supports this hypothesis.
They should force Gamefreak to make a better Pokemon game. That would teach Pal World a lesson.
Nintendo: But that's haaaaaaard. Me money now.
I mean, TPC can just kind of leave and make mobile games.
Wait, that world be an improvement.
Palworld does what Nintendon't
Good god they're such fucking losers.
Are you trying to make everyone hate you, Nintendo? Give it up already.
First half of my life it was completely by accident I didn't own anything nintendo, but I'm glad the second half of my life I've actively avoided it, so not a single cent has gone to those greedy motherfuckers.
I owned all sorts of Nintendo products growing up. Around 2005, Nintendo went crazy against roms and hacking, and then when I stopped buying Nintendo products.
I bought some used stuff and... Bypassed security to expand my libraries. But usually it was after the game was like 10 years old.
One of the many reasons I will never spend money on Nintendo again! Their hardware blows anyways
I wonder if PocketPair (Palworld devs) could flip a giant middle finger to Japan's entire system by refunding all Japanese customers for the game and refusing to sell it in Japan anymore. Japan is the only country where Nintendo could get their way in a patent lawsuit, so fuck 'em
Wouldn't work. This has nothing to do with Japanese customers or Japanese laws. These aren't even in Japanese courts. It's US patents.
The only enforceable patents they have are Japanese. This is an attempt to get US ones.
Nintendo's patents, or the single one i should say, wouldn't hold up or even apply to palworld in America, they will in Japan.
Nintendo, a Japanese company in Kyoto, using American courts to stop Pocketpair, a Japanese indie studio in Tokyo, from selling Pal world.
What the hell.
Fuck Nintendo.
I would love to learn why this isn't completely stupid, if anyone has a way of explaining. We'd be down entire genres of games if developers didn't copy each other's homework.
Nintendo is attempting to bully other game developers. They can't enforce this patent in the US, but they can wave the patent and a cease and desist letter menacingly at their competitors. Thing is, it's generating bad will against Nintendo and the first time a company calls Nintendo on their shit, Nintendo is gunna lose. The patent is either so specific it won't apply to another game or its broader and there is a mountain of prior art.
From my reading, it's the latter. The patent seems to try to monopolize the idea of throwing an object to catch a monster. Which has been done so, so many times before.
It is completely stupid. There is a reason the stereotypes about Japanese businessmen are what they are.
It is completely stupid. There are mountains worth of prior art that easily negate any patent Nintendo would be granted by this point.
Nintendo is a Japanese company, and the one thing you can rely on Japanese companies doing in recent years is not understanding that Japanese law only applies in Japan. They seem to think that they can apply Japanese law to US citizens or companies that conduct business in the US, so whatever strategy they think they can use will be swatted aside by the US government automatically. We have seen this already when Nintendo tried to sue Galoob Toys and lost.
Well, to be fair when it comes to not understanding that their law doesn't apply world-wide Americans are also right up there in the top ranks.
Suing for patent infringement is the nuclear option. It's a long and expensive legal process that can very much blow up in your face, so companies aren't rushing to do it unless they really want to.
It's not a great system.
I saw this video a while back that explained Nintendo's behaviour and strategy. It's a bit long and not a direct answer to your question but I found it pretty interesting.
This was really revealing. I didn’t know Palworld was now Sony’s. It basically now makes this Nintendo Vs Sony.
Can someone explain the cultural difference between Japan and the rest of the US around copyright law?
In the US, we have fair use laws. They basically don't. You can put McDonald's in your game because you're parodying it, or because it's part of the real world your work is based in.... They can't without expressed permission
It's more nuanced than that, but that's it in a nutshell
What about the last one?
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