Teslas turn toxic as sales crash in Europe and the UK | EV sales in the region are growing, but not for Tesla

At least the current vw CEO isn't openly a Nazi and they make good cars; unlike muskrat and his swasticars.

I'd judge Tesla drivers if they bought the car this year.

Hoarding that much excess wealth induces mental disorders.

I was wondering if epigenetics may speak to that, in some cases

The only solution is to redistribute their wealth.

For the rest of us. I'm curious if it addresses the sociopathic tendencies of the original wealth hoarder?

ETA: that was a quick search for that study and I certainly don't understand it well.

Make a product line of electric guillotines? And dogfood with Musk.

Anyway, the French revolution is not considered a one-sided success.

Yeah, fascism seems to be flourishing all over. I've never got the impression that France was any worse than anywhere else though.

the white flag stereotype for France comes from 2003

It actually comes (unfairly) from the French army mutinies of 1917 and (also unfairly) from France's surrender to Hitler in 1940, in addition to their not joining in the fun in Iraq. All of which obscures a prior thousand-year history of kicking the shit out of people.

It's a joke, it's supposed to be grotesque. Grotesque is usually different from adequate to reality.

That's first, second, my comment does incorporate the fact that the French are not pleased either. You may want to improve your skills of processing two-sentence comments.

Oops, this one is four sentences, I guess it's going to hurt.

White-flag secretly-fascist Vichy one

Doing a nazi salute while making the Mussolini face, no less!

ADL supporting Musk's salute, made US media/Zionist CNBC anyway ignore it. Germany doing the projection stunt on Tesla factory had more EU coverage. Social media, even reddit, is just starting to censor Musk anger now. Though, old people who casually think what mainstream media tells them, would go "media told us that ADL said he never did it, and they would never profit from anti semitism"

WWII might be a distant memory for Americans, but most of Europeans have been to historical sites of Jewish genocide.

I used to have a proton jumbuck, it was a really handy pickup and the same size as a regular car. But it's hard to find parts for em in the UK. It's a shame there aren't many sensibly-sized pickups.

But yeah, I kind of think most people who have massive ones that only get used for school run and supermarket are knobs.

Pickups have their uses in Europe as well. Where I live, it seems like most pest controllers (rat catchers, an easy to clean open trunk is probably very nice) and land surveyors prefer them over other vehicles. They all use smaller sensible size pickups from Japanese brands though.

I think I've spotted only 2 different modern USA oversized pickups in traffic. Both full black, never a speck of dirt on them, always tailgating someone. They are vastly outnumbered by the sensible pickups, but you just can't miss spotting them in traffic.

I'm a sole trader, Stone Mason, I make enough to buy a used vehicle, but not new. Know what I would love? A light duty truck, no crew cab road princess bullshit, two seats in front, maybe a single half door passenger side for putting stuff behind the seats, and a properly sized bed. There's no such thing on the used market. There's absolutely uses for small trucks for trades folk. Back in Canada I had an older Ford Ranger, from when they were a rebadged Mitsubishi B3200. I would step over my dying gran for something like that here in the UK. The new Rangers are a fucking joke, FWD, crew cab standard, and they're the size of the old F-150s, completely unusable in the UK. I'm thinking about maybe importing a Japanese Kei Truck. There's some larger ones that are smaller than an old Ranger, but big enough for what I need....and they look cool AF.

Mate my wife dresses me but categorising me with them POS trucks is just too far.

Let's see how big of a mouth you run when i pull up in my ranger plastered with punisher skulls you beta 😎😎 _{jkdon'tbullymepls}

They have there place, but they are in the same boat as vans etc. They are commercial vehicles, to do a job, not city runabouts to stroke egos.

Pretty much true in the US too - especially a Raptor.

The only acceptable vehicle is a range rover, and even then it has to have mud on it.

Most cars have yellow lights for indicators and red for brakes. Even for the US having red indicators is at least uncommon.

It depends... As our old Ford gave up, I bought used car at the end of 2023. It is Kia Ceed SW, was three and a half years old when I bought it and I paid roughly 14k € for it, which is about my ceiling for a car. Not that I couldn't pay more, but I don't want to as our family doesn't drive that much. Our last car did about 5-10k km a year and this one is no different.

When I was checking BEV at the time there was nothing usable at my price range and area. Couple of used E-Ups, which are too small honestly (that's why we bought SW, trunk is always full of something). Same goes for BMW i3, which is also so hideous my wife said it would be a divorce. Not many E-Golfs, most of them totally abused, and way older than I'd like. Few Renault Zoes, but that's a brand I wouldn't trust with my past experience... There was simply nothing that would make sense. Not sure how it changed during 2024, but my hopes are low.

Not a single one of them is available where I live. And once I checked them, they're not really family cars I was hoping for.

Any of those in the US market?

I've only seen Rivians and Teslas in my parts.

There’s a little blue Honda EV I see at work. Looks smart as.

It's a cool car, yes. Too small for me, but cool as fuck. Used ones are affordable, but it's still 34k € new, which is not cheap at all.

If I was alone, this would be an option. With family, not so much. I've heard horrible stories, struggling to go uphill with 4 people on board, etc. And I live in a hilly area.

Good news everyone!

The Aptera coming out follows this principle. It's the only EV that's light enough that the onboard solar panels contribute a significant boost in range.

Fully solid-state batteries are just around the corner - some Chinese models already have a semi-solid-state battery, MG are releasing one this year, companies like Toyota and Honda are working on it too. The current use case is to extend range (600+ miles / 1000+ kms) but they could also be used to get similar range as today's cars with a much lighter battery.

I had the option but it drove me nuts

Well, I mean a car where I can fit with my wife, two kids, bag of groceries and still drive uphill...

This is the way. I wish more people would accept what is quite literally only minor inconvenience in the name of starving these insane companies. We honestly have it so good in most of modern society, and some things are just totally optional imo.

Thanks

Yeah sad thing is I can understand Starlink being the only option for some people, so yeah I wouldn't blame you for using it.

Bunch of EU countries have land outside the mainland though

Oh right, is that when they moved to a different tectonic plate?

EU ≠ Europe

Europe is a continent. The European Union is a group of countries in Europe, no longer including the UK.

Read the comment. EU - maybe, but not the Europe,how do you leave a continent?

Yes but not the continent despite what certain people would like

I'd be interested to see some market analysis that looks into the reasons for the sales declines. In particular, how much is driven by poor product quality versus how much is due to Musk being a knobhead.

It does though, their most profitable (as in profit margin) businesses areas are the subscription based services and charging.

https://www.energyandcapital.com/tesla-fsd/#%3A~%3Atext=This+would+result+in+approximately%2Ca+year+from+charging+services.

When the owner is that political, it becomes political though. “If 9 people sit at a table with one Nazi…” etc etc.

Pretty tall order, can't expect that in 2025.

Exactly

Yeah, and after World War II, they nearly went out of business and took decades to recover the reputation.

Since I guess I have to spell it out: doing business with Nazis is bad for business.

I believe Hugo Boss supplied the SS suits too...