It is our business though, because when all those omnis come down with the latest zoonotic bird flu they endanger the entire population. And if the population did actually opt for tofu scrambles you just know that the industry would jack up the price of our cheap tofu.
Not to even mention, if you're vegan then factory farming is always your business, ideologically speaking.
Vegan is better. Go try and prove me wrong. Try from an ethical standpoint and a economical, and nutritional. Find an angle to argue that plant based diets aren't better for everyone.
Sitting in my chair, understanding that factory farming is propped up with government funding, and raising chickens to lay eggs is a really inefficient way to produce protein. All the space and energy to collect chicken periods and the first step is to throw half the baby chicks in a grinder because they have a dick. I can watch a video of tofu being made and not loose my appetite.
I agree that vegan is better from an ethical standpoint. That doesn't somehow make it OK to celebrate families suddenly having to deal with food insecurity. Have some empathy for people for fucks sake.
I'm sure that if they look really hard in the store there are cheap bags of dried beans that would go a lot further than eggs even before the price increase.
People facing food insecurity due to egg prices increasing are relying too much on one source of nourishment.
It feels disingenuous to approach this topic with the view that the eggs are the problem and people need to just eat fewer eggs.
The problem is the food cost increases and the eggs are just one example. It's called nuance and we've lost our ability to understand it. Stop trying to blame consumers for this when it is driven by profits.
You're right, a single parent working three jobs definitely has the time and energy to change their food preparation habits. Definitely. Eggs being expensive is totally OK and doesn't hurt anyone unless they're both stupid and lazy. You're right.
The issue is that for a lot of poor people, eggs were a great and easy way to get proteins.
Vegan diet is absolutely viable for the vast majority of people. However, the access to quality vegan food to all the population isn't there yet.
Food desert are real and at least eggs were easier to get there than dried beans and rice. And that options is getting out of reach for a lot of people.
You're gonna find beans, soy and rice in a food desert a lot easier than eggs. The food desert I've lived in had at least two of the three in almost every bodega.
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding the problem, but aren't foods like beans and rice which can be ordered in bulk online a good solution for people stuck in food deserts? I would think that anything with a long shelf life would be superior to perishables. (American eggs have to be refrigerated, right?)
Ok so, i understand that it's way more than it used to be but... Is $10 for a dosen really THAT bad? Are People using eggs literally every meal or something? I LITERALLY heard someone complaining about this while grabbing some at costco. Like genuinely upset and acting like they can never have eggs again while they have a cart easily pushing $400 of stuff not all of which is food.
I feel like everyone is strangely focused on eggs when there are way worse things going through the roof
European here. I am watching these prices unfold in pure shock. Here, 10 eggs cost between 1€ and 3€ depending on the type of farming (free range, free run, and organic).
Oh yeah like I said I understand that it's shockingly more expensive than it used to be or she even maybe should be. But I've heard people talking like they're going to need to take out a mortgage on their house and they aren't being sarcastic just to get eggs it just feels a bit strange how strong the reaction to the egg prices is. Meanwhile over the years we've let things like medicine and housing which feel like they are more important to then eggs Skyrocket in price and while we do complain about them it feels casual compared to how people are talking about eggs
US animal ag industry is battling cross-species avian flu right now in an attempt to delay it's jump to the human population. When one chicken or pig gets sick it means you need to kill and destroy every single one of them. Hundreds of thousands of chickens get deleted every time. Usually doesn't make the national news, and there are for sure political/economic factors at play too, but disease is absolutely influencing poultry prices.
Eggs were historically a very cheap source of protein and have a very diverse nutrient profile because they are designed to grow an animal from scratch. I recall in 2019 doing the math for protein/dollar and things like chicken breast, whey protein, eggs, and milk came out on top, but that was because eggs were 80 cents per dozen. It’s like if chicken breast went from its 2019 price of 1.99 to $15-20 a pound, or milk for $15 a gallon or whey for $100+ a bag. I used to consistently eat 3 eggs every morning because I was broke and eggs + rice + siracha was like a 50 cent breakfast, now that same breakfast would be approaching 3 dollars.
People are so upset because of the 10x effective price increase, just imagine a 10x in any other price in only 5 years. Rent, education, electricity
Eggs WERE one of the cheapest sources of protein available, so a lot of people depended on them since meat was so expensive. Now even that is taken from us.
eggs are also just generally really good nutrition, they are specifically meant to fuel the growth of the chick after all
and combined with them being vegetarian, eggs are one of the best foods available.
I quit eating eggs in late 2018. At the time, a dozen eggs were well south of $2. I don't think prices increased much until COVID hit. So that's ~$2 to ~$10 in five years. Given that eggs and milk are staple foods, I can see why people would be highly concerned.
It’s kinda our business too because people are still forcing birds into confined spaces and making them sick, and being vegan is a stance against that.
Yes, this is the grim reality of the issue. We'll make animal ag even more inhumane and dangerous to humanity before we try moving to something more sustainable. Only catastrophe will force a switch.
That's not how the modern American thinks, we're so used to things just being always available in mass quantities, we've all but forgotten shortages happen and life requires problem solving. Look at what happened with the toliet paper thing, you can easily just use/wash a cloth (obviously not ideal, I'd recommend a bidet first and foremost) but your average American would rather rally at Costco and get into a fist fight over their precious rolls because they can't comprehend or cope with adaptation, lol.
Which ones? I've yet to encounter a recipe with eggs where I couldn't satisfyingly sub in tofu, mung bean liquid (Such as Just Egg) or starch+tapioca replacer (Such as this) depending on the egg preparation.
Tofu is good for scrambles.
Mung bean is good for frying.
Stratch+tapioca is for baking.
This is why backyard and community gardens are about to get a whole lot more important. A few of us have been trying to convince my job to set one up and I'm hoping tariffs are the push we need to get it done.
It's not even a push. My elderly mother was telling me about her elderly friends who were going on "missions" to find eggs where they spent tons of gas driving around all day just trying to find eggs to buy since they're scarce.
It floored me. I literally said to her "do they not understand if they stop buying them the demand will decrease and so will the price?" She shrugged and agreed that it was really foolish and wasteful.
Some people are just really ingrained in their habits and don't even consider changing things like this in their lives.
Hmmm… this might be exactly my take when vegans start to pay more because trump decided to flood the farms that produce a big part of their diet. Or when they realize that Mexico and Canada produce a lot of it as well.
Maybe it’s best not to be a smug asshole about things because things have a way of coming back around….
The sad part (and why this meme is way off base) is because odds are prices will go up on all foods because of Trump's insanity.
Keep in mind though, plants are used to feed animals. Everything that increases plant prices will increase animal product prices that much more. Just as oil and gas prices increase all of the above because everything is dependent on fossil fuels still.
That doesn’t help your statement at all. Between the tariffs on imported foods and the lack of migrant workers on domestic farms, vegetable prices are going to skyrocket in a way that could potentially make egg prices look tame… but I guess that’s “none of my business”
i dont really get why people have so much resistance when switching foods. seasons and shortages have existed since people started agriculture and when something becomes scarce, you pivot and eat what youve got. if there was some bizarre soy disease and tofu becomes expensive, im just gonna buy lentils 🤷
I was like this in the past, it's just that you've spent your entire life eating the same things and only know how to cook those things (if you can cook at all), so changing feels very intimidating and involves several steps. It's not just buying different things, it's learning how to cook them properly and which ones you like, and getting over the bump of initial slight dislike of most new things which is pretty instinctive.
What we need is to help people learn to cook things and help them ease into trying new foods, ideally this would be family members and friends but specific community groups is good too.
People are creature comforted and they literally don't know how to live without those creature comforts, so instead of considering changing anything in their lives they just double down and do stupid shit to get a hold of those creature comforts. Fucking addicts.
Any recommendations for a good source of omega 3 fatty acids for a plant based diet?
I think you'd probably need more than in an animal based diet since plant based fats and oils have way more omega 6 then animal based fats which can fuck up the balance.
Canola(rapeseed) oil has an omega 6 to omega 3 ratio of about 2/1 which isn't as bad as some of the other more problematic "seed oils" like corn and soybean oils which have a 50/1 or 5/1 respectively. So maybe just using canola oil is fine, maybe you'll need more omega 3 to keep a balance, not quite sure as this seems to be a newer area of study surrounded by some diet culture moral panic.
For me I like to err on the side of adding more diverse foods to my diet as I think that's a good rule of thumb, so i'm trying to add more omega 3.
The opposite is true, o3/6 exist in balance. If you don’t eat any omega3 your body gets a lot better at converting o6. Vegans get better omega readings than people who eat fish 2-3x a week.
Can anyone familiar with veganism answer me a curiosity?
Would someone who's vegan be fine with owning their own chickens and using them for eggs? If you're not engaging in the marketplace for them, you can absolve yourself of the suffering egg laying hens in factory farms could be experiencing, but I'm not sure how the 'suffer free because I raised them' plays into the belief/practice.
I agree with what the others said, but I just want to point out that this 'model' vegan isn't nearly as important as you might think. You don't get a prize or hivemind access or whatever for conforming to some exact criteria. It's ultimately just a convenient label to summarize that you've made certain moral choices. Well, and to easily identify products that work well with your choices. But making those choices is very much each person's own adventure.
Veganism is a philosophy about animal exploitation. Vegans don't even eat honey because it is an animal product. If you eat eggs from a back yard chicken, you are still participating in the exploitation of that animal and feeding systems which further exploit animals. Some detailed further reading: https://theminimalistvegan.com/backyard-eggs/
So no, a vegan would not do this. Though, what OP said about nomenclature remains true - some people are loose with the terms
This has been discussed thousands of times online so I don't feel the need to type out a very long answer.
The pure existence of modern day chickens is animal abuse. The closest known relative to the modern day chicken lays about 10-15 or so eggs a year. Modern day chickens lay eggs daily. It is extremely hard on their body, they have been selectively bred to provide output with no care for their wellbeing.
That being said, if a vegan were to rescue a chicken or something, and it produces eggs, the best you can do is usually feed them back to it. I know that sounds weird but if you feed the chicken back its own eggs, it helps recuperate lost nutrients, and they love it.
You would need to buy the chicken from somewhere. You would only buy the female chicken, because you want the eggs. There would still be male chickens that no one wants, except for reproduction. That would at least be my logic so I'd say no.
It really depends on the type of "vegan". Some people are in it for the dietary benefits and others are in it for the animal welfare. Dietary is actually "plant based" but most people just say vegan, even it it doesn't quite fit.